Talk:Coffeehouse

1629 or 1645?
“The first coffeehouses appeared in Venice in 1629,[19] due to the traffic between La Serenissima and the Ottomans; the very first one is recorded in 1645.” What does “the very first one” refer to? If they appeared in Venice in 1629, wouldn’t they be recorded (how else would we know)? Or does “recorded in 1645” mean (misleadingly) that a record was made in that year of a coffeehouse that had existed earlier? 2600:1002:B01D:3D87:F426:9756:C18A:A2F7 (talk) 18:25, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

History needs elaborating
The History section starts with Coffeehouses in Mecca became a concern of imams who viewed them as places for political gatherings and drinking...

while I would expect something along the lines: The first historical mention of an establishment resembling a coffeehouse comes from ... mentioned in a (fatwa?) ..., where the practice of ... is discussed.

Are there really no WP:RS sources about it? Zezen (talk) 08:45, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

a new image to be added to the article
There is an Ottoman miniature painting from the second half of the sixteenth century showing the interior of a coffeehouse in Istanbul around that time. I would suggest that picture to be added to this article - as a rather early image of a coffeehouse interior. The article already has an Ottoman coffeehouse image, but that's by a western artist and later. This, however, is a locally produced image. http://tarihkurdu.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Bir-Kahvehanenin-%C4%B0%C3%A7ini-G%C3%B6steren-16.-Y%C3%BCzy%C4%B1l%C4%B1n-%C4%B0kinci-Yar%C4%B1s%C4%B1na-Ait-Bir-Minyat%C3%BCr.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.27.149.30 (talk) 13:40, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Coffee House Egra
A good restaurant of Egra town, available Home delivery services Souvik sharangi (talk) 17:47, 13 December 2021 (UTC)


 * this looks like trying to advertise your own place on Wikipedia. 2001:1C03:4918:A100:9DED:27CA:62FE:FF6 (talk) 17:53, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Canadian usage
While café may refer to a coffeehouse, the term "café" generally refers to a diner, British café (colloquially called a "caff"), "greasy spoon" (a small and inexpensive restaurant), transport café, teahouse or tea room, or other casual eating and drinking place.

I've resided in BC, Alberta, Ontario, Quebec, and Nova Scotia, and it seems to me that "coffeehouse" is almost never used, "coffee shop" is used quite a lot (sometimes generically), while "café" hardly ever substitutes for cafeteria or greasy spoon or teahouse (I think there are more patisseries in Vancouver than greasy spoons to begin with, which are anyway more commonly called "family restaurants" or "diners" or "truck stops" as the case may be, or simply "Tim's" or "Starbucks").

If I was planning to meet someone in a tearoom, I would try hard not to call it a café, but if I were asked "where have you been all day?" I might say "I was hanging out at the café" irrespective of the beverages served. Then it would go, "What café?" and I would say "The Blethering Place" and it would go, "Oh, you mean the tearoom!" So far as it exists, the lazy, generic use of "café" does not much hold up under scrutiny in Canadian English as I have experienced this.

That there's a large Francophone population embedded among the Anglophones probably helps to police matters.

Sometimes "café" is used for coffee shops where the coffee is incidental, and the pastries you consume with your hot beverage are the main focus. Such an establishment almost certainly lacks a deep fryer, and only serves pre-prepared sandwiches, at most passed through a microwave oven or—luxury edition—an actual panini press.

There may also be some cases where the cafe is integrated into frontage of an office facility where it's too upscale to refer to as a cafeteria, and then the local inhabitants of the building fall into using "the cafe" regardless of what it really serves.

FWIW, I don't think the paragraph in Wikipedia accurately reflects Canadian usage. &mdash; MaxEnt 04:36, 1 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Here in Netherlands it is even more complex. Café here is more what in english is called pub or bar. Where beer is the main concentration and coffee also incidently in more daytime. The english term coffeeshop we use too, but is here a place where, coffee is a secondary item, where the main sales lay in, yeah, that where NL is known for to have. 2001:1C03:4918:A100:9DED:27CA:62FE:FF6 (talk) 17:58, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Working remotely
A lot of people work remotely from coffee shops, sometimes to save money Perhaps this could be mentioned. 83.151.229.56 (talk) 13:46, 27 February 2023 (UTC) 83.151.229.56 (talk) 13:46, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

munyoro douglas
am munyoro douglas aged 22 years old ifinalised my uce certificate on 2022 and i joined my barista course this year so i would like to apply on yopur company as abarista my course is barista master skill.thank you for your time. 41.210.146.64 (talk) 10:53, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Islamic World?
Why bag the birthplace of coffeehouses into this "world" even Ottoman Empire while each European country gets its own subtitle? Call it christian world and be done with it then. It is almost like someone tries to lessen the visibility of Ottoman Empire. 178.233.213.56 (talk) 00:39, 4 January 2024 (UTC)


 * There is nothing to stop you adding sourced material about individual Islamic countries. Often things are as they are because nothing has been done to change them, not for negative reasons.Ponsonby100 (talk) 17:41, 4 January 2024 (UTC)