Talk:Combi coupé

Renault 16
And what about the Renault 16?. Randroide 11:54, 6 March 2006 (UTC)RandroideRandroide 11:54, 6 March 2006 (UTC)


 * As far as I can tell the R16 was never called "combi coupé". SAAB admits the R16 used a simmilar concept, but I don't know if the R16 can be said to have a "coupé-like profile" (compare the angles). and "Nevertheless, Saab has always been linked with the distinctive sporty and multi-dynamic qualities embodied by the _combi-coupé_ foremat.". // Liftarn


 * Combi Coupé is just a name used in Saab marketing to refer to hatchbacks, not a new body style. Same stuff as R16. Z220info 23:42, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Not quite. There is a major difference in how they look. In a hatchback the rear is almost vertical. In a CC it is much more sloped, like a fastback. // Liftarn


 * The word hatchback in English is used as a generic term to refer to cars with an integrated trunk and a hatch. Giving Saab credit for inventing "Combi Coupé" as a new car body type is pure marketing hype, not based on objectivity. Other manufacturers have also labeled their hatchbacks with various names for marketing purposes, but it does not change the fact that the car they are selling is a hatchback no matter how strong or mild the slope is. Same goes with Saab. Combi Coupé is a hatchback no matter what. And as to Saab being first, Renault 16 was already mentioned and let's not forget 1973 Volkswagen Passat hatchback which makes Saab 99 CC 1974 rear look clunky in comparison, if it is the angle of the slope that is important.

The R16 was as far as I can tell never marketed as "combi coupé". If you find any evidence of this, please produce it. Until then I kindly ask you to stop. // Liftarn


 * Renault could not have used the term since it was invented by Saab in the 70's, obviously. I am not denying that Saab was the first to use expression Combi Coupé, but suggesting that Saab 99 CC was a completely new bodytype can be debated. Merriam-Webster's dictionary of English language defines the word hatchback as "an automobile the back of which consists of a hatch that opens upward; also : the back itself". This is in harmony with the every day usage of the word and does not suggest in any way, that the degree of slope would have anything to do with whether a car can be said to be a hatchback or not. Saab 99 CC was therefore a hatchback as well, even if the Saab marketing departmant invented a new term to describe it. The term Combi Coupé never took off as a generic term to refer to hatchbacks with certain design characteristics and was used purely in Saab's marketing. And then there is always the first VW Passat hatchback, introduced a year earlier than Saab 99 CC and which had a design which falls in the Saab definition of "Combi Coupé" better than that of Saab 99 CC.Z220info 12:35, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I have edited to reflect this. // Liftarn


 * I have taken the liberty of removing the NPOV template, having rewritten the contentious paragraph - I hope that this causes no-one any annoyance and that it will allow this nice little article to stand alone and in peace. Ballista 05:03, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Picture Location
I was just wondering, was the photo of the '78 turbo taken at Swedish Car Day outside of Boston, by any chance? It looks mighty familiar... Grahamdubya 21:10, 5 July 2006 (UTC)


 * It has swedish plates so it sounds unlikley, but not impossible. It may have been recently imported. But then the photographer, Martin Bergstrand, is from Sweden, but then it's not impossible that he went to Boston. Do you recognise things in the background? The car seems to be in original condition so any well kept 99 CC Turbo in the same colour would look simmilar. // Liftarn


 * Well, it looks a lot like the field at the Something-Something car museum where the event is held. Plus, doesn't that red car across the way have an American plate on the front? I can't quite make it out. Grahamdubya 20:54, 13 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I checked and the -78 turbo in the foreground is registered in Sweden. The plates of the vehicles in the background looks like Swedish plates to me, aren't the US plates more square? The picture comes from http://www.saabklubben.com/arkiv/99/990002.shtml and there it says it was taken in Gistad (that's in Linköping Municipality) in 2002. So it's in Sweden. // Liftarn

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