Talk:Cook Islands Māori

Cleanup
I'm sorry I didn't justify the cleanup tag earlier - the stylistic problems seemed obvious to me. Anyway, this page is written in a slightly unencyclopedic tone, and doesn't conform the the standards of the other language pages. Mo-Al 18:34, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Mo-Al also wrote on Wikipedia:Cleanup that this article talks about what the Ethnologue describes as multiple languages. -- Beland (talk) 01:00, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Vocabulary section
I added the link to Common phrases in Cook Islands Maori, so once that list gets expanded, the vocabulary section of this article can be removed. (I believe it has been discussed elsewhere why there should not be a vocabulary section in language articles) Mo-Al 18:34, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

The vocabulary section concerns the examples given in grammar section —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.114.196.18 (talk • contribs)


 * I would reccomend looking at this. Common phrases belong in the common phrases article. Mo-Al 17:56, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Also, see this Mo-Al 18:14, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Meitaki ma'ata e tamama —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nevers (talk • contribs)

Removal of Grammar Section?
Should the grammar section be removed? Does WP:NOT apply here? It seems to be mostly just a list of definitions. Definitely the vocabulary section should be removed (see topic above). Mo-Al 22:29, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

No, unless you ameliorate it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.114.196.18 (talk • contribs)


 * Why do you disagree? Please give reasons instead of just saying "make it better". Mo-Al 17:56, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


 * What is your problem my friend ? I don't really understand your obsession with standards and tags ? but after all may be you've got your own reasons... You want to remove it. OK delete


 * My "obsession" stems from the Wikipedia policy, which you might want to go over. Mo-Al 01:48, 27 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I didn't see any wikipedia policy which state there wouldn't be any grammar descripion. Is that wikipedia policy or your own interpretation of this policy. I don't want to lose my time with sterile discussion. If you want to delete this section, then assume your choice and delete it


 * I just wanted to know it WP:NOT applies to that section. The talk page is for this type of discussion. Mo-Al 14:29, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Multiple languages
Ethnologue states that what this article refers to as "dialects" are actually seperate languages. Should this article be split? Mo-Al 22:31, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Ethnologue SIL is not a reference concerning CK maori. If you want to clean up, stay in what in you are able to do —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.114.196.18 (talk • contribs)


 * Why is it not a valid reference? Mo-Al 17:40, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm sure SIL people are experts for preaching and translating the bible in south american languages or in the Middle West. Not sure Cook Islands need it. There are enough churches there. Anyway, I humbly thought that the bibliography section was a bit more adequate and serious than the SIL source, but i was probably wrong


 * The fact that they may have a alterior motive does not make the validity of their information suspect. In fact, it makes it more likely that what they say is true. Should I not trust hospitals because they want to make money? No! In fact, it gives them more incentive to do a good job. Mo-Al 01:48, 27 August 2006 (UTC)


 * There is a language commission for Cook islands Maori. You should contact them via the Ministry of cultural development and directly ask the question.


 * There are other reliable sources for languages. Most other language pages on Wikipedia reference Ethnologue. Mo-Al 14:29, 28 August 2006 (UTC)


 * By the way, Wikipedia acknowledges Ethnologue as a useful source here (though it may not be entirely factually accurate, there is no basis for rejecting it as a source). Mo-Al 00:10, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

The only reference of the SIL for Cook Islands Maori and most south Pacific languages is the "atlas of Pacific area" by Wurm and Hattori. 1981. This book is actually under revision

UAI Project No. 36a: New Language Atlas of the Pacific Area

This project aims to produce a complete revision of The Language Atlas of the Pacific as edited by S.A. Wurm and S. Hattori under the direction of Dr Darrell Tryon." http://www.humanities.org.au/Policy/UAI/UAI.html

So if you want to have an "encyclopedic tone" as you said, give the real source. I would add that the difference between dialect and language is relative and not only a linguistic question but also a political and identity question. I don't think it would be a good idea to split the article, unless the Kopapa reo members decide to change their mind. If only they have had their own website or publications to clarify these sort of things, it would be easier :(


 * Well, Ethnologue often creates languages that most linguists don't think exist (like Yinglish), but I haven't found any sources that specifically claim they go together either (with the exception of the Cook Islands government, and governments are often wrong, as can be seen in Romanian and Moldovan). Besides, there doesn't seem to be any language code for Cook Islands Maori. Mo-Al 14:17, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Kopapa reo is not Cook Islands government or a political institution but a language commission.  Wurm and Hatori are not "most linguists". I see on your page you are learning Hebrew. Then I will answer by another question. Do you think Ashkenazi Hebrew, Sephardi Hebrew, Ancient Hebrew are distinct languages or dialectal variations of modern hebrew ? You must know that this a complex question which would need complex answer that only fluent speakers could give and not learners or newbies.


 * Okay, well, I'm not an expert on Cook Islands Maori, so forgive me for those mistakes, but no one would say that the different varieties of Hebrew are different languages. Pretty much the only differences between Sephardi, Ashkenazi, Mizrahi, and Teimani Hebrew are pronounciation. Between Ancient and Modern Hebrew is more arguable, but they are mostly mutually inteligable... But that's off-topic; sorry :). Mo-Al 14:54, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

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"The language is regulated by the kopapa reo created in 2003."
The meaning of "kopapa reo" is not at all clear to the general reader without a background knowledge of this area; can we please have an inline citation, not simply a vague "see external link"? 86.136.252.24 (talk) 03:22, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

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Reformatting interlinear text
This article contains a set of example sentences illustrating the use of the pronouns. These are formatted in a rather odd way: with the word-by-word gloss separated from the original text. Woudln't it be better if these were formatted in the usual way for interlinear glosses, with the glosses aligned word by word under the original text? – Uanfala (talk) 17:36, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Controversially?
Can anyone explain this? I have attempted to look this up and figure out why it's controversial that the language is also named "Rarotongan" but have had no joy --Theudariks 2.0 (talk) 22:07, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It has a citation with quoted text now. --Error (talk) 19:21, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Relationship to (New Zealand) Maori
Are Cook Islands Maori and the Maori language spoken in New Zealand more closely related to one another than any other two languages within this branch of the Polynesian languages? Or is the name overlap just because of a shared ethonym? --Jfruh (talk) 17:34, 6 November 2021 (UTC)