Talk:Cooperative

NPOV: "Social transformation in cooperatives"
This whole section seems to be pushing a socialist/communist POV under the guise of "Social transformation". It starts strong with this this statement: "Most workers cooperatives have in their DNA the social transformation role." It even mentions Gramsci as if he was a household name the reader would recognize with the "Gramscian terms", and not some obscure communist of no relevance.

This section should either be deleted or at the very least heavily rewritten. Arcade222 (talk) 18:30, 30 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I deleted the section for violation of WP:NPOV. If someone wants to re-add it, it needs to be rewritten from an objective perspective talking about cooperatives in communist thought (my impression is that cooperatives were only seen as tools to win people over to the workers movement in the short term by Marx and Lenin, who didn’t think much of them, whilst in the present communist academics have termed cooperative economy market socialism) Alexanderkowal (talk) 11:14, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Citation needed under history
The first sentence in the "Origins and History" section is marked as "citation needed".

> Cooperation dates back as far as human beings have been organizing for mutual benefits. Tribes were organized as cooperative structures, allocating jobs and resources among each other, only trading with the external communities.

David Graeber's Debt: the first 5,000 years covers this pretty well. Would that be an appropriate citation? Drewmca (talk) 05:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Do you mind pasting the relevant text? I think it would have to be verbatim in the source otherwise it risks being WP:Synth. Also I’m not sure whether that is a WP:RS but when you do the citation for it, it’ll tell you whether it is WP:Blacklisted. It seems to be a reliable source. Alexanderkowal (talk) 05:50, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I’m sure there’s good quality articles or books written on cooperative history that will say something along those lines, the current sentence looks like someone’s WP:OR Alexanderkowal (talk) 05:52, 7 May 2024 (UTC)