Talk:Costa Concordia disaster

Intro
The lede places in its second sentence very finite information about the number of people, and where remains were found relative to very finite salvage operations. Is it just me, or is this way too specific for an introduction to the subject of the article? 842U (talk) 15:56, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Intro Paragraph 1: I do not think that this is too specific. 32 people did perish during this event. However, 4229 people were saved by the mitigating actions of the crew at the behest of Capt Schettino AFTER the first grounding of the vessel at 21:45 (this time might be edited for accuracy in the background section, as it is verified by the time hacks from the audio recording of the bridge during the investigation). Perhaps the 4229 people SAVED is as important of a fact to share as the 32 lost.

After the first grounding at Le Scole, the generator spaces became flooded quickly and this caused the vessel to become a "black ship". In the instance of a collision, Costa Cruises procedures required (at the time of the event) more than 70 minutes (in optimum circumstances) of activity and tasks BEFORE an evacuation announcement is made. Getting the passengers off of the vessel is the 10th step in those procedures not the first. Additionally, because of the reports that Schettino was receiving from below decks and because of the manner in which the vessel was behaving, Schettino originally thought that the port thruster had struck the rocks at Le Scole and was damaged, not that the generator compartments were being flooded from the port side. It was not until 51 minutes AFTER the first grounding that Schettino finally understood what was flooded. This was 15 minutes AFTER he was expected to begin evacuation efforts (by Italian Maritime standards). NOTE: All of this information is gleaned from interviews conducted and survey data collated by Nippin Anand of Novellus Solutions Ltd.

Intro Paragraph 2: This paragraph contains one inaccuracy by omission and another inaccuracy outright.

Inaccuracy by omission: "Schettino, who left the ship prematurely." While it is true that Schettino left the vessel while people were still on the CC and before it settled into it's final position, that he "left the ship prematurely" requires a more accurate explanation. Video evidence from the vessel showed Schettino spending >2 hours on the starboard evacuation deck working to get as many passengers into lifeboats as possible. When the last working life boat (~10% of the life boat davits did not operate correctly when activated) was deployed on the starboard side, it became caught between its launch davit and the listing CC. At this same moment, Capt Schettino was the LAST person on the starboard evacuation deck and he could not climb to the port evacuation deck where 80-90 people were stranded (but high and dry and out of relative danger). Capt Schettino saw that the life boat which was OVERLOADED with ~300 passengers was stuck and decided to leap from the CC to the life boat to guide the boat driver to get the life boat out of further danger from the top of the life boat (where there are no hand holds or anything to secure the Capt). Again, this was all captured on video from the starboard evac deck. The ship was beginning to list further which risked crushing the life boat. As Capt Schettino was unhooking the life boat from its davit lines and getting those lines out of the way of progress, furniture began to tumble out of the vessel and around the Capt and the life boat on which he was standing. This activity occurred between 00:30-00:45. So,while the Captain DID leave the ship prematurely, he did so because he had evacuated everyone that he could physically evacuate AND because he needed to board the life boat at his own peril to save it and its passengers from certain peril.

Inaccuracy outright: "About 300 passengers were left on board, most of whom were rescued by helicopter or motorboats in the area." The "300 passengers" came from Schettino's investigation statement regarding how many passengers were on the life boat he leapt to save. The number of passengers that were actually left on board were the 32 who perished plus the 87 who were evacuated from the port evac deck by helicopter AFTER 00:30 (a fact confirmed by Italian Maritime helicopter evacuation records).

I am working with some others to obtain the proper citations for the documents and data sources identified here, but I thought it importaant to begin the discussion before actually editing the page.

GrantAdamCole (talk) 12:34, 21 September 2019 (CST or GMT +6)

The last two sentences of the first paragraph aren't introduction material.
These need to be moved to the search for remains section. The first paragraph should be reserved for general information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:249:E00:8B1F:1D5A:A916:DAA:5F01 (talk) 08:33, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Article Lede is ridiculous
The opening paragraph zooms in on the death count. This is not how introductions to article work: the introduction summarizes the salient facts of the subject matter. Instead, the intro paragraph wanders around the events surrounding the incident looking for dead bodies. Please fix.842U (talk) 17:25, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

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Help?
The section Costa Concordia disaster has a cleanup template, but I do not know how to fix the problem. I would really like to get this article to featured status, but this template will not do. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Cessaune (talk) 02:11, 6 January 2023 (UTC)