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Discussion on Olympics
Remembering that we did themed sets for the FIFA Women's World Cup last year, I thought of an idea for a themed set of hooks: the 2024 Summer Olympics take place from July 26 to August 11 this year (in a little over five weeks) and I think there will probably be a decent number of Olympics-related hooks; I at least plan to write a good number of them. I was thinking we might be able to do something like one Olympics hook per day for the duration of the event, similar to how we did for the FIFA World Cup. Thoughts? BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:16, 20 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Indeed. I coordinated something like that for the last Olympics and had been planning on offering that service once more.  Schwede 66  21:22, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Cool idea! Lightburst (talk) 22:18, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I also like this idea! I know of a couple topics that could provide Olympics-related hooks; I'll look into them. Hydrangeans (she/her &#124; talk &#124; edits) 22:58, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I've dug out the item that shows how we went about it last time: Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 180.  Schwede 66  22:26, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * That looks like work ! Hopefully we can identify a few. Bruxton (talk) 01:04, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It was somewhat involved!  Schwede 66  01:27, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Some related considerations:
 * Can I suggest that we pull Solomon Islands at the 2020 Summer Olympics out of Prep7 Prep6 and run it just prior to the Paris Olympics kicking off?
 * Moved to the Olympics: Special occasion holding area.


 * Other candidates for a warmup are articles relating to the 2024 Winter Youth Olympics, which were held at the beginning of 2024. Template:Did you know nominations/Yang Jingru (speed skater) is one such article.
 * Done – added to the table below.


 * The 2024 European Athletics Championships – Women's 400 metres hurdles nomination names Femke Bol, who is set to compete for the Netherlands at the 2024 Summer Olympics. In fact, we have another nomination (a double nomination at that) that includes Femke Bol: 2022 European Athletics Championships – Women's 400 metres
 * Done – added to the table below.

All the Olympic-related hooks that I could spot are in the table below.  Schwede 66  03:52, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * My Toby Olubi hook is in prep 3. Feel free to pull if it's of any use to you.-- Laun chba ller 06:58, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't know if you saw this, but my Toby Olubi hook is Olympics-related, and could also run near the start of the Olympics.-- Laun chba ller 11:11, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * No, I didn’t see that. I’ll have a look.  Schwede 66  13:06, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I've pulled it out of Q3 and plugged the hole that I've made.  Schwede 66  23:36, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * , no, that was not a copy-paste error. It's a note for the promoting admin that the admin checks had previously been done.  Schwede 66  00:42, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't think this is a good idea. If I were to promote that set, I'd run all the checks anyway.  Partly because I have a work flow, and partly because if I'm going to publish something over my signature, I'm going to satisfy myself that it's correct.  So all you've done by adding this note would be to create additional work for me because I'd have to figure out what's going on and then edit the hook to get rid of the note. RoySmith (talk) 00:57, 20 July 2024 (UTC)


 * As the one who promoted, do you think you might be able pull Dylan Travis (Q6) so that it could be featured when basketball takes place at the Olympics? BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @BeanieFan11: I'm still feeling pretty green at DYK so I'd prefer for someone else to take care of this if possible. I'm also out and won't be on PC tonight to take care of this. I have no objections to it though. Hey man im josh (talk) 21:49, 27 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Note that this should be a subsection within the existing special occasion section, not a separate section. I have adjusted accordingly. I don't understand why the Solomon Islands hook—not shown above but in the section itself—is listed for the day before the Olympics starts; it looks like one that could run any time during the actual Olympics, which the article on the games lists as July 26 through August 11. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:38, 28 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I’ll add it to the table. Things got somewhat crowded last time, hence my thinking of running everything that’s not 2024 Olympics as a warmup beforehand.  Schwede 66  19:18, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * , I can see where the confusion arises. As explained above, the Olympic competitions start on 24 July, two days prior to the opening ceremony.  Schwede 66  04:15, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Schwede66, in that case the lede of the article is wrong. It should be made clear there that while the opening ceremony is on 26 July, the competition itself begins on 24 July. No objection to the Solomon Islands hook running on 25 July if the Olympics themselves have already begun by then; I see no reason why it can't run during the Olympics themselves on a date where there isn't anything more appropriate. I don't think it should be a "warmup" hook, however. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:11, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I've put the line "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit" into action and amended the lead of the 2024 Summer Olympics to spell out that some competitions start on 24 July. I'm easy about running "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" during the Olympics if there's room if that's what others prefer; I note we have three four five of those hooks.  Schwede  66  03:41, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok, it's not too crowded this time (yet). I'll move the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks to show during the Olympics.  Schwede 66  05:59, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I shall eat my words. It's getting rather crowded; should have started running the warmup hooks earlier including the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics". I don't think that we'll have a chance of limiting the sets to two Olympic hooks even if we shuffle things around; it seems we'll have more than two on average for the duration of the Olympics.  Schwede 66  00:45, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if we really should have Template:Did you know nominations/Breaking Through (2022 film) run as part of the Olympics run since it deals with the Winter Olympics rather than the Summer Olympics.  Naruto love hinata 5 (talk · contributions) 09:37, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Do others share that concern? I don't think that Summer versus Winter Olympics is a big stretch. I note that there are four Winter Olympics hooks in the table above. The other thought is that any hook will have to run at some point, so why not have Olympic-adjacent hooks run just before the Summer Olympics?  Schwede 66  10:42, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Just noting here that Zhang Ziyu has been nominated. Whilst she does play basketball and China is competing in that discipline at in Paris, she's not (yet?) a member of the China women's national basketball team. Hence, we could use this as another warmup hook.  Schwede 66  05:01, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Could somebody please review Draft:Adam Maraana? The review could double as a QPQ, as the intention of the IP editor is to have this run as part of the Olympics.  Schwede 66  06:15, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

, is there a good reason why you pulled the Solomon Islands at the 2020 Summer Olympics hook out of the special occasion holding area (SOHA) and put it into prep 4? Because if there isn't a good reason, I'd like to see this reverted.  Schwede 66  00:49, 11 July 2024 (UTC)


 * I don’t think it was ever in the special occasion holding area. But I have no objection if you’d like to place it there. —  Red-tailed sock (Red-tailed hawk's nest) 01:14, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Some of the Olympic hooks need a bit more attention from reviewers, or nominators are dragging the chain with QPQs. For example, Prep 1 is already filled but there's still one hook that awaits its QPQ. Prep 2 is filling up but a review for this nomination hasn't even been started yet. I'd be happy to do some shuffling but there's nothing really to shuffle this with; further down, the hooks are all timed for particular occasions. Shifting items back into the Olympics proper is also tricky as almost all days have two or three items already. I'd most appreciate if those who can stand reviewing sports articles can give this some attention.  Schwede 66  09:32, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Unless I'm missing something, the only Olympic hook in prep 1 is my Toby Olubi hook, for which the supplied QPQ (Claude Hamilton Verity) was also a double nom?-- Laun chba ller 13:15, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
 * No, you are all good, Launchballer. What isn't good is the Zhang Ziyu nomination. I'm not sure why the reviewer isn't signing off on it. Could someone else please check that the remaining issue ("sources vary") has been dealt with to satisfaction? This should go into Prep 1, and I've just made a hole for it (the prep set was already full).  Schwede 66  21:00, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Ticked off whenever.-- Laun chba ller 10:10, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Awesome. Thanks, Launchballer. I've once more made a hole in Prep1 for Template:Did you know nominations/Zhang Ziyu to be promoted to; can't do it myself as I was involved in coming up with ALT1. Would appreciate if somebody could do the honours and promote this.  Schwede 66  18:54, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * If I'm reading that correctly, your only contribution was to add in 'at least', which was BeanieFan's suggestion anyway, and to swap cm and inches, which adds no extra information. I wouldn't say you was involved.-- Laun <u style="color:#00F">chba <u style="color:#00F">ller 21:38, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, maybe I wasn't – I'm just trying to make sure to not even give the impression of INVOLVED. Either way, has filled that gap once more.  Schwede  66  22:29, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I have queried, at Zhang Ziyu's nomination, why an article on an athlete who is not participating and has not participated in an Olympics is part of this "drive" and needs to run on 24 July. Looking at this comment, it seems that the original expectation was for very few hooks to come in and lots of supplementary hooks to have to be used, but now we're overflowing with hooks! From the table below, it seems that some days are now scheduled to have three Olympics hooks run, which is over the maximum of two per set. Why can't some of them be moved to run earlier? &#126;~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:25, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * You appear to be keen to obstruct that Zhang Ziyu not be promoted to Prep1, therefore practically pushing it into later sets. How does that align with your desire to bring other Olympic-related hooks forward? Isn't that a contradiction?  Schwede 66  22:31, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Zhang Ziyu is not Olympics-related, along with many other sports nominations which won't be run until after the Olympics are over because of WP:DYKVAR (1, 2, 3 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10). I have also noticed and tagged new Olympics-related nominations which aren't in the table yet, such as Template:Did you know nominations/Lê Đức Phát, and more will surely appear shortly. It seems very foolish to prioritise including Zhang Ziyu, who will not compete at the Olympics, when this drive has nominations ready to be prepped on people who actually are competing! I can bet that by the end of this, we will be looking at an entire set of hooks for the final day. &#126;~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:07, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Today's main page was significantly unbalanced and I've addressed that by removing one OTD hook and adding a tenth DYK hook, for which I chose Zhang Ziyu. I've issued the credits manually; I did all this some 15 minutes after midnight UTC.  Schwede 66  01:40, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Here's a summary of how many hooks we've got, and when they are scheduled to run:

As can be seen:
 * There are three days when we have three hooks.
 * Two of those three-a-day sets occur when all prior sets have two hooks, i.e. there is nothing we can do about it (other than delaying for the third hook to run until after the scheduled day).
 * The third occasion of a three-a-day set is on 10 August, and there are currently three days (4, 8, and 9 Aug) when one of those hooks could run early.
 * Given how it's going, I would expect that we get more nominations, and those one-a-day sets may get busier.

Therefore, we have to agree whether we would be happy with three Olympic-related hooks per set. Delaying Olympic-related hooks that are already approved is definitely not helping.  Schwede 66  22:49, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * For the record, and having thought about it overnight, I would be happy with three Olympic hooks so long as they are adequately separated, so long as they are all Olympic-related. I think two Olympic hooks and a non-Olympic sports hook is a tougher ask. The Zhang Ziyu nomination is less than two weeks old, I don't think there's any danger of it timing out. Happy to hear alternative perspectives on this.-- <u style="color:#00F">Laun <u style="color:#00F">chba <u style="color:#00F">ller 11:37, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

, Lorrane Oliveira was for Prep6, not Prep5.  Schwede 66  00:43, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * It was under the special occasion list with a date of July 28 which is prep 5. SL93 (talk) 00:46, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * My mistake. Prep5 is right. I had recorded it wrongly in my table ...  Schwede 66  01:44, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

We currently have four hooks for 29 July / Prep6; this is the next prep set that will become available. That sounds too many, however, only one of those hooks is currently at SOHA. One hook, a swimmer starting for Israel, hasn't had the review started yet. There may well be a reluctance to "touch" anything Israel, so this might not make it. The two other hooks are both awaiting to provide a QPQ. Thus, at this point in time, we only have one viable hook from four candidates. When Prep6 becomes available, I'll thus bring one of the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks forward so that we've at least got two hooks to go.  Schwede 66  20:14, 18 July 2024 (UTC)


 * BTW if you need logistical support, I'm lurking. Kingsif (talk) 20:30, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Of the four hooks for 29 July, one of them is Suriname at the 1960 Summer Olympics, which can run on any day. I think that one should run on a different day.-- <u style="color:#00F">Laun <u style="color:#00F">chba <u style="color:#00F">ller 21:59, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * That is true, but it's currently the only hook that's ready. As it's a "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hook, it's not a good idea to bring another one of this type forward into that set, though. If the three hooks aren't ready, we can always run Template:Did you know nominations/Zhang Ziyu as the second hook if someone wanted to sign that off.  Schwede 66  23:46, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * BTW, one other from that date has been marked ready (Victor Alvares de Oliveira). BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:48, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Proposal
The Paris Olympics will be kicking off on 26 July 2024 with an opening ceremony in the early evening. Event competitions start two days earlier on 24 July with association football and rugby sevens. The closing ceremony (article yet to be written!) is on 11 August. That's 19 days of Olympics and as suggested above, we could run Solomon Islands at the 2020 Summer Olympics as a warmup just before that period.

There'll be some special date requests coming in and to avoid filling up individual hook sets with too much sport, I suggest we co-ordinate what will run when to spread things out in a logical fashion. I suspect that we'll stay in a 24-hour cycle for the duration of the event but if that changes, we can accommodate that as well. Time zone–wise, Paris is currently at UTC+02:00 (Central European Summer Time or CEST), hence there are no mental gymnastics necessary as long as we stay in the 24-hour cycle. Comments welcome. Helpers are welcome and essential; I certainly don't want to do this all by myself as this was quite a bit of work some three years ago for the Tokyo Olympics. And with regards to my own special interests, I shall tell you that the Kiwi rowers are in good shape; I can hear the medals clinking already!  Schwede 66  01:20, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I can get the hooks as long as you help figuring out the schedule (in addition to the two of mine mentioned below, I also have pending Dylan Travis and Alyssa Mendoza that I need to work on, and am preparing to nominate (haven't yet) Evann Girault and Emmanuella Atora; I also created Maia Weintraub but I can't think of a good hook...). BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:28, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * For Weintraub, the best that I can come up with is: that after having been an unused alternate at the Tokyo Olympics, Maia Weintraub is now qualified for fencing at the Paris Olympics? That probably won't be seen as interesting enough. I'll deal with the other articles; thanks for your good work.  Schwede 66  20:15, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Have four more Olympics hooks for you: Gaku Akazawa, Alasan Ann, Aminata Barrow, Andy Barat. Have two others I will nominate soon as well. I also created Camil Doua but can't think of a good hook... BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:19, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Good effort! I've dropped a hook suggestion for Camil Doua onto his talk page.  Schwede 66  02:48, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Another hook of mine in Marcedes Walker. I also wrote Ruby Remati, which I'm trying to figure out a good hook for... David Eppstein also nominated one in Piper Kelly so you're aware. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:26, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * ... that Ruby Remati got into synchronized swimming because as a child, she fancied the competitors' sparkly suits?  Schwede 66  00:33, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Nominated: Template:Did you know nominations/Ruby Remati. Thanks for the suggestion. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:40, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * One more: Template:Did you know nominations/Jenya Kazbekova —David Eppstein (talk) 18:46, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep them coming!  Schwede 66  10:39, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Three more of mine: Kennedy Blades, Filomenaleonisa Iakopo, Emily Ausmus (also wrote Jovana Sekulic, in case you can come up with a good hook). I noticed three others as well that are by other users: Zheng Haohao, Angling at the 1900 Summer Olympics and Aniya Holder. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:54, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Can't think of anything interesting for Sekulic.  Schwede 66  00:40, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Nominated another in Template:Did you know nominations/Edda Hannesdóttir. Also, SuperJew wrote a nice article on footballer Omer Nir'on: can you think of a good hook for it? BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:39, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, . I've processed Hannesdóttir but can't think of a good hook for Nir'on. Chances are that his Danish grandparents had to leave Denmark during WWII and if so, that connection and him also being able to play for Denmark could yield a viable hook. But would have to do more work on that aspect.  Schwede  66  03:54, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Tried to have a look. Can't find anything about his grandparents having to leave, and even added that his father played for a Danish club in 1996-97. It seems the main reason Denmark (national team and the Danish club) were interested in trialling him and offering a contract is because of his heritage and if he was a regular visa/foreigner they wouldn't have bothered. It's an interesting saying on how heritage (one might even say luck) can open up doors. I'm not sure about how to word it though as a DYK and I understand if it's a bit too vague for a viable hook. --SuperJew (talk) 09:56, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Here's an interesting switch. Nir'on was promoted today from alternate player to the regular 18-player squad for the Olympics due to an injury to Daniel Peretz. It's also interesting that his first big chance in the U21 level was due to Peretz withdrawing (was called-up to the senior team). I think that could make an interesting hook if worded well. --SuperJew (talk) 19:59, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree, . Nominate it and if what you come up looks interesting, I'll add it to the Olympics set.  Schwede 66  20:04, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Maybe something like this? ... that Omer Nir'on became a member of the Israel national under-21 football team due to Daniel Peretz withdrawing, and became a member of the Israel Olympic team due to Daniel Peretz withdrawing? BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:14, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * , that works. Nominate it.  Schwede 66  05:45, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * You can add a few more of mine to the list: Template:Did you know nominations/Lê Đức Phát; Template:Did you know nominations/María Sara Grippoli; Template:Did you know nominations/Apsara Sakbun; and Template:Did you know nominations/Victor Alvares de Oliveira. More if we can come up with good hooks for Ariana Dirkzwager, Viren Nettasinghe and Chloë Farro BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:13, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks; I have processed those. No suitable hooks come to mind for the other three articles.  Schwede 66  04:59, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't know how many will make it on time or if I'll be able to do all the QPQs in time, but I've got four more nominations: Template:Did you know nominations/Logan Edra, Template:Did you know nominations/Warren Lawrence, Template:Did you know nominations/Matthew Wright (triathlete), Template:Did you know nominations/Valentin Houinato. Could nominate Adrian Weinberg and Jess Davis (modern pentathlete) if we could develop good hooks as well. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:10, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh dear. Things are getting really crowded!, I've noticed that many of your sports bios are flagbearers. Shall we go for a mass hook hook to get rid of many individual nominations as possible? Something like so:
 * ALT0: ... that Camil Doua, Edda Hannesdóttir, and Lê Đức Phát are flagbearers at today's Olympic opening ceremony?
 * ALT1: ... that Camil Doua, Chloë Farro, María Sara Grippoli, Edda Hannesdóttir, Viren Nettasinghe, and Lê Đức Phát are flagbearers at today's Olympic opening ceremony?
 * If that sounds like a good idea, could you please identify the flagbearers, BeanieFan11? We would be aiming for Prep 3, and Camil Doua is in that set for the reason of being her country's flagbearer. Amended – have since figured who the flagbearers are and I think there's three of them. Two of them have yet to be reviewed; volunteers welcome.  Schwede 66  02:15, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * There are also Viren Nettasinghe and Chloë Farro, who are flagbearers, their articles are new, but you haven't nominated them, . And I've just found María Sara Grippoli.  Schwede 66  08:17, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Help needed. Could we please have reviewers for Template:Did you know nominations/María Sara Grippoli, Template:Did you know nominations/Edda Hannesdóttir, and Template:Did you know nominations/Lê Đức Phát? It would really help if we could get rid of a few hooks by combining them into one and for that to work and be relevant, they should go into Prep 3., you were asking whether there's something where you could help. Well, here's something that would be super helpful.  Schwede 66  11:05, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't know ... if I'll be able to do all the QPQs in time – maybe focus on QPQs for a wee while instead of writing further bios, .  Schwede 66  02:49, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * How about this: we put Doua as a standalone hook when he competes (I really like that hook), and merge all the other flagbearers into the hook to be featured at the opening ceremony date – that'd include Hannesdottir, Duc Phat, Nettasinghe, Grippoli, and Farro (and might write one or two more today – as well as get the QPQs). Alright? BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:18, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Olympic hooks table
On the "Approved" page, there is now a heading Olympics: Special occasion holding area.

Zhang Ziyu
I'd like some others to comment at Template:Did you know nominations/Zhang Ziyu. Not sure what the best way to handle this is. The issue is this particular athlete in known for being tall, but there are discrepancies about what her true height is, and the nominator put forward a specific height for the hook. Not sure what the best way to handle this is both within the article's prose and in the hook. Best.4meter4 (talk) 16:52, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Not sure why this couldn't be worked out at the nomination... &#126;~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:57, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @It absolutely can be, I was wanting someone else's input. I've never had a case with conflicting reports over a particular hook fact before. Not sure what we should allow in a case like this. I want to avoid ending up at WP:ERRORS. I wouldn't be comfortable giving it a tick without getting more than one opinion at the nom. That's why I asked for people to comment. Best.4meter4 (talk) 23:24, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
 * It seems that the reviewer is still awaiting comment from other DYK regulators on the nom page. I suggest that the issue is resolved and all it needs is others to confirm that.  Schwede 66  17:13, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Maintenance tag
One of our main page articles has a maintenance tag right now, 2022 Brink's theft Bruxton (talk) 02:59, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Bruxton (talk) 03:03, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I have addressed the issues behind the two inline tags and asked the editor to come to the talk page and explain their reasoning for the tag. Daniel Case (talk) 03:55, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Cool, I am going to be signing off the project, but glad you fixed it. It was great working with you all. Lightburst (talk) 04:03, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Apologies Someone reverted me after I removed the tone tag. I left a message on their talk page telling them they needed to go to errors with it, but they did not.  are likely needed to sort this. Lightburst (talk) 05:26, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, I've weighed in in that discussion too. In short, I do not think the addition of a tag by itself requires pulling an article already in a DYK set; otherwise there's a huge opportunity for bad-faith disruptive types. Daniel Case (talk) 05:30, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree. Especially one that is apparently unexplained. @BalinKingOfMoria, you've edited since being asked about this tag...maybe give us a clue? Valereee (talk) 10:55, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * One reason for the tone tag could be the opening paragraph. @AirshipJungleman29 commented at the nomination "I suggest that the first lead paragraph be rewritten; at the moment it reads like a story. See MOS:OPEN for recommendations." TSventon (talk) 13:29, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I wasn't too impressed that this article was rushed through in the first place, to be honest, bypassing several of the usual processes - I guess because it was delayed in nomination and wanted to be run today? I saw the call to promote it last night but thought maybe it had a few issues. e.g. The lead seems to have several uncited statements that aren't clearly backed up by anythingin the body, such as "several experts have stated that it is unlikely that any of the stolen jewelry will be recovered" and "Police and the FBI continue to investigate but no suspects have been named". &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 14:06, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree about the rushing. I haven't been able to fully follow the history yet, but it looks like it got promoted to prep-3, then a couple of hours later swapped into the next-up queue.  The whole idea of the prep and queue mechanism is to give people a chance to see what's coming up and provide additional reviews. RoySmith (talk) 14:40, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Israel–Palestine hook
I took a stab at promoting my first prep to queue today in light of the backlog. In doing so, I swapped out the hook for Three-phase Israel–Hamas war ceasefire proposal with one from another prep area: My first thought is that the article is subject to substantial editing as the situation evolves, especially if the original proposal ultimately falls through. Indeed, the article has changed considerably between the original nomination on 18 May and promotion to prep on 5 July:. Additionally, I feel that the hook is not very catchy, merely stating that the proposal has three phases (at face value, splitting a major project or plan into phases is nothing out of the ordinary). It's in prep area 7 now (from which I "borrowed" a replacement hook), but I'm unsure whether these concerns are fixable or whether the hook has to be pulled entirely. Especially since this is my first time doing this, any feedback would be appreciated. Complex / Rational 20:04, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * ... that a ceasefire proposal to the Israel-Hamas war presented by Egypt and Qatar on May 5 would consist of three stages?


 * Thanks for helping out. That's absolutely fine pulling a hook out of the set if you've got concerns, and absolutely the right thing to bring this here for further discussion, . As for feedback:
 * It's good to provide a link to the queue number, but that's not relevant here as the hook is no longer in the queue. As the hook is now in prep 7, say so and provide a link.
 * Looking at the edit history, I see that you made the change while the hook was still in prep. Just so you know, almost all admins promote first and then do the checks, just so that you avoid edit conflicts.
 * A link to the hook's nom page should always be provided in a discussion as that makes it easier for others to chip in.
 * You've made a fabulous start. All of the above is just minor fine-tuning.  Schwede 66  22:18, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your feedback. I'll keep these pointers in mind for next time. In addition, I marked the hook in prep area 7 as under discussion with a link to this thread. Complex / Rational  03:00, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Pinging nominator and reviewer . SL93 (talk) 20:32, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @ComplexRational why is it relevant that "article has changed considerably between the original nomination on 18 May and promotion to prep on 5 July"? @User:Launchballer reviewed it on 09:20, 5 July 2024 and presumably did not find any issues with it. As for catchiness, I guess that's subjective. Do you suggest re-opening the discussion on that basis? VR (Please ping on reply) 23:22, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * This was moved backwards to give more time to sort this out. It's now in the prep set to be promoted to queue next. I'll pull it so that the prep can be promoted and reopen the nomination, where further discussion should be had.  Schwede 66  01:19, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Israel
Anything that's related to Israel is potentially controversial. We have List of petitions calling for Israel ban from Sports (nom) up for review. I'd like to run this as part of the Olympics set (currently scheduled for 26 July). Could I interest someone to review the nomination, please?  Schwede 66  00:48, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I am away and unable to review, but I would definitey advise against running it on the day of the opening ceremony. &#126;~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 08:37, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I will give this a review. Sort of agree with AirshipJungleman29 in that it will raise eyebrows. Lightburst (talk) 15:47, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I started a review and gave the nominator some direction. I think it may be some work to copy edit the article and add a view, but we will see. Lightburst (talk) 16:11, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, team. If you've got thoughts on a more suitable date, please share those. Anytime during the Olympics? Before the Olympics start? Mind you, if there's more work to do, the latter may not work logistically anyway.  Schwede 66  01:30, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Would simply not running during the Olympics not be an option? <B> Naruto love hinata 5</B> (talk · contributions) 01:56, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Anything is an option. Whatever the community decides is what will happen.  Schwede 66  02:09, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hey maybe you or another editor can take over the review? I have to take a break from editing for a bit. I am getting batty. I just checked and the editor has not started doing the two things I suggested. Have a great weekend! Lightburst (talk) 07:20, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * There are fundamental issues with this article.
 * 1) One can't equate whats happened with Russia with Israel. Completely apples and oranges. Russia invaded another country. Israel was invaded. Hamas were the ones who declared war.
 * 2) The line those oppose to Israel's ban argue that politics should not interfere in sports is a complete non sequitur.
 * 3) And let's be honest - this has nothing to do with what is happening now as there were always call to ban Israel/not compete against Israel.
 * This page should just be merged with Boycotts of Israel in sports. MaskedSinger (talk) 18:22, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
 * And to run this as DYK on the day of the Opening Ceremony...When people are concerned about another Munich massacre happening, maybe we should be a bit more circumspect. MaskedSinger (talk) 18:56, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
 * While Russia has been sanctioned for its illegal annexation of Ukrainian territory, Israel's occupation of Palestine for more than 75 years has never led to a ban.Ghazaalch (talk) 17:23, 18 July 2024 (UTC)


 * The article was moved to draftspace and thus I have now closed the nomination as unsuccessful. It can be renominated once the issues are addressed and it is moved back to mainspace. <B> Naruto love hinata 5</B> (talk · contributions) 02:20, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

WUEC
May I suggest shortening this to that the radio station at the University of Wisconsin–Eau Claire would close in the middle of the day? Leave a little mystery. Get people wondering "Why did they do that?" so they'll click through to learn why. RoySmith (talk) 01:06, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * No objection from me. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:14, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Actually, even better would be That the radio station at the University of Wisconsin–Eau Claire would go off the air in the middle of the day. That's more accurate to the wording in the article.  "Closing" for a radio station could mean they close the doors and stop conducting business, but they're still broadcasting.  Most listeners would never know.  Off the air is more significant, and as a bonus, more correct.  RoySmith (talk) 01:56, 12 July 2024 (UTC)


 * That's fine. The Roy version is also passable too. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 02:43, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * That's also fine by me. JuniperChill (talk) 08:31, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Since I'm the promoter, I decided to change it myself. JuniperChill (talk) 08:43, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Too negative of a hook
I feel like Template:Did you know nominations/Timeline of Partygate has too negative of a hook for a living person. Pinging nominator and reviewer. SL93 (talk) 20:20, 12 July 2024 (UTC)


 * I feel like the historical value—amply noted in sourcing, thus this big old list—outweighs the negativity question. This was so widely reported that it's not like a typical BLP where the figure may not be well known. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 20:41, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm going to reply on the nom page (and suggest that everybody else do the same) RoySmith (talk) 20:45, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Obviously I'm inclined to agree with User:Sammi Brie, but I'm also willing to go with the community on this. I just felt that this was the most interesting and "hook"-y fact from the article. But if the community feels that it's too negative, then I'll come up with something else. Thanks, A Thousand Doors (talk &#124; contribs) 22:53, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't see a problem with the hook and I don't view it as "too negative". This was widely reported and is part of the historical record. I honestly think people are misunderstanding WP:DYKBLP. Viriditas (talk) 20:09, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Queue 2

 *  Helianthus devernii (nom) Symbol question.svg Looks good for the most part! I think "can only" should be changed to "has only". I'll also briefly note that some people might object to the use of "newly" as falling afoul of the "unlikely to change" clause, and opine that this objection is stupid. You can quote me on that if I'm not around at ERRORS. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 20:21, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * If it's such an obviously "stupid" objection, why mention it at all? There are some people who see the guidelines/requirements as an agreed upon (i.e. consensus) way to present things in the best way possible. It's understandable that those of you working hard to put DYK out every day sometimes see ERRORS reports as frivolous or pedantic but please remember that we are using the standards given to us to measure these hooks, not our own particular preferences. Primergrey (talk) 02:42, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Well, perhaps we disagree on whether the guideline implies what some people at ERRORS think it implies. People can always look at the word "newly" in the archives and understand that it meant "newly" at the time it was run, so the fact does not change. If there's not any further objection to the wording change here, I'm making it and stamping this. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 16:03, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
 * There's no "further" objection to the wording, because there was no original objection. I don't give a hot shit about it. But if I did disagree, I could look forward to you telling me, at ERRORS, that the objection is "stupid". And if I wasn't lucky enough to get the message directly from you, you'd have deputized any one here to go ahead and let me (or whoever) know it. What a collegial attitude. Primergrey (talk) 20:21, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I wasn't referring to the "newly", I was referring to my suggestion to change "can only" to "has only". And yeah, I have opinion on a specific thing that comes up from time to time at ERRORS. that doesn't mean I don't think you're a good and diligent editor :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 22:30, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Forget it. Primergrey (talk) 22:37, 14 July 2024 (UTC)


 *  Julian Lewis (American football) (nom) Symbol confirmed.svg huge kudos to – can't find anything wrong with this BLP on a sixteen-year-old. Incredibly tough needle to thread. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 20:21, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 *  List of historic places in Kaikōura District (nom) Symbol question.svg Ooh, the rare featured list DYK :) I'm really not understanding how this hook is likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers? "Carpenter builds himself a house" doesn't exactly send me running to the newsstands. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 20:21, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * It was admittedly much more interesting before the hook was changed. If it can't be changed back, then I'm okay pulling it. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 20:28, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Symbol delete vote.svg yeah, gonna say that one's a pull, unfortunately. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 20:30, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Will you be pulling this? SL93 (talk) 18:34, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 *  A Stroke of the Pen: The Lost Stories (nom) Symbol confirmed.svg Looks good! I've reworked the hook a fair amount, but the content remains the same. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 20:21, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 *  Joan (Alexander McQueen collection) (nom) Symbol confirmed.svg stellar as always, :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 20:21, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 *  Melani Budianta (nom) Symbol question.svg This hook is a little odd. It basically says that Budianta... had an interesting thought while in Los Angeles? I'm not sure why this belongs in the article, even if it makes for a solid hook. It doesn't come from an authoritative source or something she published, it's just something she said in an interview to a source we wouldn't otherwise consider reliable. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 20:21, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * How do you feel about the two other hooks? To me, the first hook might work if it at least somewhat mentions what the Ursuline order is. ALT2 is about what her family allows as gifts which isn't really about her. SL93 (talk) 20:38, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Any of the hooks work for me. As for why this is in the article, Budianta was contrasting the dynamics of democracy in the United States, including the open presence of a religious sect deemed cultish, with the repressive approaches taken by the Suharto government. This informed her understanding of diversity and diversity management (the "melting pot" of the United States vis-a-vis the centralistic censorship of contemporary Indonesia). I can make it more explicit in the article. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 12:06, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
 * As for the reliability of the source: AMINEF is a foundation established by the US Embassy in Indonesia to administer the Fulbright Scholarship program in Indonesia. It is a primary source, in that it is published by the foundation itself, but it does meet the RS guidelines. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 18:40, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
 * That is certainly a reliable source. SL93 (talk) 18:48, 14 July 2024 (UTC)


 *  South by South Lawn (nom) Symbol possible vote.svg Really cool event! As it stands, I'm not sure I see a WP:NEVENT pass. The article doesn't provide evidence of the last effect or enduring significance necessary to meet either of the first two points of the guideline. Are there other sources out there? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 20:21, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * This might work for enduring significance. 2022 coverage, 2017 coverage, 2019 coverage, and 2020 coverage. SL93 (talk) 20:47, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * hmm, maybe. they mostly look like an assortment of passing mentions to me, although I don't have full access. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 20:51, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I thought it would work to show enduring significance, passing mentions or not, along with the coverage from when the event was happening. SL93 (talk) 20:53, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The event also received rather significant international press from the US, Canada, and UK. It was also noted by NME (UK) as being the first ever public festival held at the White House and per The Times was "better than a ticket to the Oscars" (just found and added this + some other refs and info). That would surely hold significance when coupled with 20+ RS talking about it + the mentions that SL93 found (btw SL93...if you have access to view and add those...please be my guest ). The SandDoctor  Talk 21:36, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Also just found a NYT piece from almost a month later -- Oct 25, 2016 -- looking at the festival in hindsight. The SandDoctor  Talk 21:53, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * My understanding of Notability (events) was that it applies more to occurrences (first one from event, like "dog shoots child" or "person trips over stick"), instead of the second definition from Wiktionary (organised activities like weddings, awards shows, festivals). Maybe this needs clarification on the SNG's talk page (or maybe it doesn't since SL93 has provided some sources?). Sdrqaz (talk) 21:00, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I would interpret this the same as you, . I would also interpret GNG as still prevailing and if you have 20+ RS from around the world talking about a festival (in this case) in depth (and over multiple different dates in lead up and post) that should surely qualify for GNG. Most festivals don't get that sort of coverage from The Guardian, WaPo, Associated Press, The Smithsonian(!!), The Independent, The Times etc. over the duration of a month and a bit. That is most atypical. The SandDoctor  Talk 21:44, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Also just found reference to it by the LA Times in December 2016 as a retrospective feature (about the festival) that said, in part, that the festival "reflected many of the cultural shifts that happened during the Obama presidency." I would say that that would surely help. -- The SandDoctor Talk 22:17, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't see any consensus that would make this an issue. SL93 (talk) 18:47, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
 *  Bill Wurtz (nom) Symbol confirmed.svg new shit just got made! theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 20:21, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 *  Music Sounds Better with You (nom) Symbol question.svg I did say this to JuniperChill on my talk page already, but I don't think an interview from the guy is a valid source on the two other people for the hook. They might characterize it differently, after all. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 20:21, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Theleekycauldron, would ALT1 work?<span id="LunaEclipse:1720918598993:Wikipedia_talkFTTCLNDid_you_know" class="FTTCmt"> — lunaeclipse  (talk)  00:56, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @lunaeclipse: Symbol confirmed.svg sure, i've reworded it and swapped it in :) let me know if it looks good! theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 16:10, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Theleekycauldron, it absolutely does. Thanks! :]<span id="LunaEclipse:1720973685962:Wikipedia_talkFTTCLNDid_you_know" class="FTTCmt"> — lunaeclipse  (talk)  16:14, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I did say in the review that I prefer alt1. However, I didn't know its the promoter's choice about which hook, not mine and I was fine with it. I think this is my third DYK review. I'm fine with the end result. JuniperChill (talk) 18:52, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Piping in a bit late here - I actually missed the comment about your hook preference, sorry about that. It wasn't an intentional thing. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 00:48, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Great work, all! Hopefully we can get all of these in ship-shape before showtime :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 20:21, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Sam Salz (American football)
I just approved this nomination, choosing a hook fact that seemed rock solid according to the sourcing, rather than the subject's main claim to fame of being the first (or only?) Orthodox Jewish college football player. However, given that his main claim to fame is his Orthodox Jewish beliefs, I was wondering if either of these options, which have qualifiers, could be acceptable: Given the whole brouhaha about "first" hooks recently, and the possibility of either claim being wrong, I understand if this isn't the fact that ultimately runs. I just wanted to bring both options here for a wider hearing to see if either could meet the higher scrutiny we now have for "first" hooks, or if it's for the best to go with alternatives. <B> Naruto love hinata 5</B> (talk · contributions) 00:40, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
 * ... that in 2023, the Atlanta Jewish Times suggested that Sam Salz is the only Orthodox Jewish player in NCAA Division I college football?
 * ... that The Times of Israel suggests that Sam Salz may be college football's first known Orthodox Jewish player? (note: this fact is currently not in the article, but is mentioned in one of the sources)


 * Since the nom is still open, I'll respond there, so we keep the discussion in one place. RoySmith (talk) 13:05, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
 * "Suggests" and "known" and "may be" are really vague though, aren't they? You would have thought that given the ridiculous amount of statistical trivia about the game, there would be a definitive source. Black Kite (talk) 19:00, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Black Kite can we keep this conversation in one place? RoySmith (talk) 19:10, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Orca Shipwreck
This is in okay shape, but the nominator was indef blocked for copyvio. Earwig turned up fine to existing sources, but there is a Hebrew-language source I can't check. I would like a second set of eyes on this one. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 19:57, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Prep 7
I raised this issue on the nom page, but now that it's been promoted, it needs wider attention. The problem is not just the "first" aspect, but the vagueness of "broken the law". There's lots of laws. What does it mean to "break the law"? If you drop a candy wrapper on the street, you've almost certainly broken some law about littering. This is just begging to be dragged to WP:ERRORS. RoySmith (talk) 16:49, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
 * , on the nomination page you missed the word "serving", now you have missed the word "found". &#126;~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:51, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Prep 6
Fu Wuji is tagged for the lead being too short. Pinging nominator and reviewer. SL93 (talk) 02:27, 16 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @SL93 Tried to fix the lead problem, can you check it out?  02:44, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
 * It looks fine to me. I removed the tag that another editor placed. SL93 (talk) 03:03, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Prep 1
Georg Kareski needs to be unorphaned and have a lead added. Pinging. SL93 (talk) 02:35, 16 July 2024 (UTC)


 * I heard from Buidhe that leads aren’t required. SL93 (talk) 03:05, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I passed on promoting this one because it is an orphan, and it looks like a stub. I feel like WP:DYKCOMPLETE is a relevant guide here. Bruxton (talk) 03:29, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
 * To be fair, orphan tags are specifically exempted from WP:DYKCOMPLETE. This definitely deserves no lead though.-- <u style="color:#00F">Laun <u style="color:#00F">chba <u style="color:#00F">ller 08:05, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi Launchballer, can you show me where in MOS it says that articles are required to have a lead? In MOS:LAYOUT it seems to suggest the opposite, since it states that the article elements are optional.
 * There are millions of Wikipedia articles that do not have leads, should they all be tagged? (t &#183; c)  buidhe  14:33, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Stubs, permastubs, and stub-like articles are routinely featured at DYK, if they are over the 1,500 character limit. Lead sections at permastubs like Georg Kareski have no purpose because they either just duplicate what is said one or two paragraphs later, or encourage the use of MOS:OVERSECTION. no lead needs to be used with consideration; here, it is useless. &#126;~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:41, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:MOS (more specifically, MOS:SO) says you should have a lead section, but DYK does not require compliance with the MOS. RoySmith (talk) 23:24, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
 * It's not required, but in practice, an article can be delayed if it's clearly not MOS compliant or is full of writing issues like requiring copyediting. <B> Naruto love hinata 5</B> (talk · contributions) 00:02, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I took the no lead tag off. I do think that if we're going to have a rule that says 'no stubs', we should spell out what one is and I would argue that if an article is too short to need a lede, then it's a stub. WP:STUBDEF says that there is no set size at which an article stops being a stub, which is not helpful.-- <u style="color:#00F">Laun <u style="color:#00F">chba <u style="color:#00F">ller 09:44, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * per WP:DYKSTUB, The article ... should not deserve stub or dispute tags. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 17:52, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * It's always going to be a judgement call what makes something a stub. Amusingly, WP:STUBDEF says [other editors] follow the Did you know? standard of 1,500 characters in the main text.  Talk about finger-pointing!  Even odder, that kind of implies that the lead doesn't count towards the 1500 quota since it's not part of the "main text", but I've never seen that enforced at DYK.  As far as I can tell, articles get called stub, start, or c-class more or less at random. RoySmith (talk) 18:18, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Precisely. Most people seem to think that being above 1500 characters is enough to take an article out of stub status. But does a 1499 character article "deserve" a stub tag, and a 1501 character article not? An article may be "too short and incomplete to provide encyclopedic coverage of a subject", but if no RS can be accessed to expand it, what can you do? At the end of the day, it's a matter of editorial discretion.On article ratings, I use "stub" for articles that feel short, "start" for articles that miss two B-class criteria (I use MILHIST as an example), and "C-class" for articles that miss one. &#126;~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:36, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * María Sara Grippoli has 1581 characters. Andy Barat has 1587. Gaku Akazawa has 1657. Alyssa Mendoza has 1690. All are short enough you could reasonably say they "deserve" stub tags. But I think they're quite encyclopedic, and can run perfectly well at DYK. &#126;~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:24, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Question
Hello, not sure where to ask this, so this is a bit of a two-parter because of that. Where can I ask questions pertaining to DYK, would this be the correct venue to do so? Secondly, I had a nomination that was never posted due to me being unable to complete the QPQ, if I was able to get it DYK eligible again, would I be able to renominate or does the 5 year renomination deadline apply? Ornithoptera (talk) 02:40, 16 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Answer to 1: yes
 * Answer to 2: if it was never on the main page, there is no 5-year standdown period.  Schwede 66  03:43, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Splendid! Thank you for letting me know Schwede66! Ornithoptera (talk) 06:03, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Wording issue in P5
The hook for 1969 Progressive Conservative Party of New Brunswick leadership election currently reads:

... that the 1969 leadership election for the Progressive Conservative Party of New Brunswick was blacklisted by the American Federation of Musicians because one of the candidates was indebted to them?

This should be reworded to make clear what the article itself says: "... Van Horne was described as being a 'free spender' who substantially indebted the party during his 1967 provincial campaign; the upcoming convention was blacklisted by the American Federation of Musicians from allowing for work to be serviced by its members, claiming that 'the party hasn't paid its bill for Don Messer and His Islanders, who played for Van Horne affairs in the 1967 campaign.' So while Van Horne was responsible for the debt being incurred, it was the party itself that actually owed the money, not Van Horne. Daniel Case (talk) 02:31, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Also, again to be clear, it was DM and His Islanders who the party owed, not the union. Daniel Case (talk) 02:31, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Pinging (nominator}} and  (reviewer) Daniel Case (talk) 02:33, 17 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @Daniel Case I recommend rewording it to "... because one of the candidates indebted the party to them?" or simply "... because the party was indebted to them?" (missing further clarification that this is DM and His Islanders, but it's a start). <span style="display:inline-block;background:linear-gradient(to right,#24D628,#F934EF,#9F5300);padding:2px 10px;border-top-left-radius:15px;border-bottom-right-radius:15px;">B3251 (talk) 02:59, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's kind of a long hook and there's not too much more we can do with it. Daniel Case (talk) 03:10, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * ... that a Progressive Conservative Party of New Brunswick election was blacklisted by a musician's union because the party was indebted to a band? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:25, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Nice one! <span style="display:inline-block;background:linear-gradient(to right,#24D628,#F934EF,#9F5300);padding:2px 10px;border-top-left-radius:15px;border-bottom-right-radius:15px;">B3251 (talk) 03:47, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

A9 dualling project problems
Seeing as that article has been pulled from the main page with this error, could the article be renominated again if I would be able to choose a different hook, or the fact that the other issues to the article already prevent it? I was just thinking that if a construction project is expected to be delayed by 10 years, then its definitely interesting to see (like the delays to the Crossrail project by 4 years, or Berlin Brandenburg Airport by 8-9 years)? Or is it that articles about projects that are currently under construction, such as HS2 (which is also delayed), that a DYK is difficult?

It's ironic both the article and the project is under construction form that error. JuniperChill (talk) 11:04, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Chicken of Tomorrow Contest not new enough?
I pulled this hook from prep 4 (now promoted to queue 4), because as far as I can ascertain, Chicken of Tomorrow Contest was moved to mainspace on 13 June and was nominated for DYK eleven days later on 24 June, longer than the period allowed per WP:DYKNEW. Although it states that sometimes a 1–2 day extension may be granted, this is four days over the seven-day newness limit described in the guidelines; I cannot find neither evidence of a discussion or special occasion prompting such an extension and this does not satisfy another aspect of DYKNEW. Pinging the nominator and reviewer, and, in case I missed something – hopefully this was just a misunderstanding. And if no guidelines have been violated, this hook may be restored to another prep area. Complex / Rational 16:37, 17 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Definitely ineligible given that it was nominated 11 days after the nomination. Had the nominator been a newcomer perhaps IAR could have been granted here, but Thriley is one of our more experienced contributors, so an IAR exemption is probably not warranted here. <B> Naruto love hinata 5</B> (talk · contributions) 16:47, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * My apologies. I meant to nominate this within the time frame, but forgot to. This has happened before. I'm sometimes overwhelmed with other projects which can cause me to forget to nominate in a timely manner. It was a great hook that I couldn't pass up! Thriley (talk) 17:30, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Thriley bring it up to GA status and then renominate it with the same hook :D ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 17:32, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I definitely plan expand it significantly at some point. GA status would be the goal. Maybe Featured Article someday with Miss Chicken of Tomorrow as the image: Thriley (talk) 18:16, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry all - I checked the date of nomination but must have got my dates mixed up, thinking it was still within 7 days. <b style="color: #00BFFF;">Hassocks</b> 5489 (Floreat Hova!)  18:54, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I have edited the nomination page to reflect it being rejected rather than promoted. SL93 (talk) 19:34, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Queue 5
As a general comment, this set has a lot of long/wordy hooks. It would be good if we could trim things down here and there. RoySmith (talk) 16:59, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Breaking Through (2022 film)
There's some minor copy-paste from two sources which needs some attention. See earwig RoySmith (talk) 16:51, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I will take care of it later today if no one else does before then. SL93 (talk) 18:35, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Done. SL93 (talk) 22:22, 17 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Also, maybe reshuffle the order so there's not two women's sports hooks right next to each other. RoySmith (talk) 16:58, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Tagging because now only an admin can reshuffle the order. SL93 (talk) 18:28, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ the shuffling.  Schwede 66  18:36, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Anna Smith Spark
There's some minor copy-paste from grimdarkmagazine.com/anna-smith-spark-where-to-start-reading which needs to be addressed. RoySmith (talk) 16:57, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the alert, . I'm not sure what you mean, but I'm guessing that you have spotted some copyvio. I have tried to check with Earwig, but the system is overloaded a the moment, and cannot respond to me in the UK. I shall try again later - unless someone in the US might have faster success? Storye book (talk) 17:20, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Uncheck the "Use search engine" box on the earwig form, and it'll just run against the references in the article. In any case, you're looking for
 * "is the author of the Empires of Dust trilogy"
 * "Spark's debut novel"
 * "and the struggles of motherhood."
 * I suspect the last one could be resolved by quoting it, but the others should be rephrased. RoySmith (talk) 17:25, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Done. SL93 (talk) 18:26, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Storye book (talk) 19:21, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you @SL93; I have done a little tidying up too. @RoySmith, as the main contributor I can confidently state I read the sources and then put the article into my own words. The text in clash#1, for example, came about after I rewrote the lead following the DYK review (without going back to sources). These are such minor (almost generic) overlaps that I really don't see why your comment needed the aspersion of copy and pasting to be thrown. ResonantDistortion 23:05, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @ResonantDistortion Please don't take my comments personally. My job when promoting a set is to look for problems.   I'm working my way through 9 hooks at once, so I don't have time to do any more than list what I find and assume the people who have been shepherding the nomination will do a deeper dive.
 * The earlier problems get found, the easier it is to fix them. It's best if they're found during the initial review, or at least when they're in prep. By the time they get to a queue, there's a ticking clock to correct things, and you need to get an admin involved to make any changes to the hook itself.  But the worst of all is if we publish something with problems and they get brought up at WP:ERRORS.  Nobody is happy when that happens.
 * And, yes, if I see a hunk of text that's word-for-word from the source, I'm going to assume it was copied. RoySmith (talk) 14:55, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Steve Elcock
rewrite "This was the first professional performance of any of" so it's not word-for-word from the source RoySmith (talk) 16:57, 17 July 2024 (UTC)


 * I have rewritten - Smerus (talk) 19:50, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Older nominations needing DYK reviewers
The previous list was archived a few hours ago, so I've created a new list of 38 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through July 3. We have a total of 246 nominations, of which 105 have been approved, a gap of 141 nominations that has increased by 11 over the past 7 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!

More than one month old Other nominations
 * May 20: Template:Did you know nominations/Jump (Tyla, Gunna and Skillibeng song)
 * May 27: Template:Did you know nominations/Kaur (short film)
 * May 29: Template:Did you know nominations/Rhapsody (climb)
 * May 30: Template:Did you know nominations/Erdős–Moser equation
 * June 2: Template:Did you know nominations/David Fishwick
 * June 3: Template:Did you know nominations/Over the Hill with the Swords of a Thousand Men (The Boys episode)
 * June 7: Template:Did you know nominations/Better Off Dead?
 * June 8: Template:Did you know nominations/Reggie Brown (wide receiver, born 1970)
 * June 10: Template:Did you know nominations/Tyla (album)
 * June 11: Template:Did you know nominations/Shachar Sagiv
 * June 14: Template:Did you know nominations/Kimboo
 * June 14: Template:Did you know nominations/Birthday of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman
 * June 15: Template:Did you know nominations/Mohan Charan Majhi (two articles)
 * June 17: Template:Did you know nominations/Healie
 * June 19: Template:Did you know nominations/2025 Philippine general election
 * June 21: Template:Did you know nominations/Nicol Spence Galbraith
 * June 22: Template:Did you know nominations/Keegan Baker
 * June 22: Template:Did you know nominations/DI MA-1 Mk. III
 * June 23: Template:Did you know nominations/Embassy of the Philippines, Amman
 * June 24: Template:Did you know nominations/Dus Bahane
 * June 25: Template:Did you know nominations/Liechtenstein at the 1936 Summer Olympics
 * June 26: Template:Did you know nominations/Joni (song)
 * June 26: Template:Did you know nominations/Not in Love (Crystal Castles song)
 * June 26: Template:Did you know nominations/Brandiose
 * June 28: Template:Did you know nominations/Ken Goldin
 * June 28: Template:Did you know nominations/Jab Se Tere Naina
 * June 28: Template:Did you know nominations/Sizzle Ohtaka
 * June 28: Template:Did you know nominations/List of people who use their middle names as their first names
 * June 30: Template:Did you know nominations/Liza 'N' Eliaz
 * June 30: Template:Did you know nominations/Francis Procter (two articles)
 * June 30: Template:Did you know nominations/The Chinese in America
 * July 1: Template:Did you know nominations/Lilia Cosman
 * July 1: Template:Did you know nominations/Norman Hunter (footballer)
 * July 1: Template:Did you know nominations/Alex Chilowicz
 * July 2: Template:Did you know nominations/The boys of Pointe du Hoc
 * July 3: Template:Did you know nominations/South West Norfolk in the 2024 United Kingdom general election
 * July 3: Template:Did you know nominations/List of songs recorded by the Linda Lindas
 * July 3: Template:Did you know nominations/Gaku Akazawa

Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 19:33, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Croton alabamensis
I believe this nomination should be reopened. The only issue it had was with citations in the hook, which are resolved when the following hook is used: ... that the two varieties of Alabama croton are separated by more than ? Sources: "Germination Requirements and Genetic Diversity in Croton alabamensis var. texensis", Southwestern Rare and Endangered Plants Proceedings of the Second Conference September 11–14, 1995, Flagstaff, Arizona, page 147, Quote: "The Texas and Alabama populations of C. alabamensis are separated by more than 1000 km" https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/178532#page/157/mode/1up, "Phylogeny and biogeography of Croton alabamensis (Euphorbiaceae), a rare shrub from Texas and Alabama, using DNA sequence and AFLP data", Molecular Ecology, 2006 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-294X.2006.02970.x, Quote: "Croton alabamensis (Euphorbiaceae s.s.) is a rare plant species known from several populations in Texas and Alabama that have been assigned to var. texensis and var. alabamensis, respectively TDogg310 (talk) 01:48, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * To be fair, you definitely should have been pinged when carried out the review.-- <u style="color:#00F">Laun <u style="color:#00F">chba <u style="color:#00F">ller  07:42, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I posted the notice to close the review because the nominator had not edited Wikipedia since June 12, and had not addressed the concerns in the nomination. While it is unfortunate that the editor was not pinged, it is also the editor's responsibility to check their nominations and address the concerns: I suggest doing this by using their watchlist. I don't mind if this is reopened, and I would like Suntooooth to comment if the concerns have been resolved. Z1720 (talk) 15:12, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Reopened. I don't plan on readding it to either of the piles as I will promote it myself when it is approved.-- <u style="color:#00F">Laun <u style="color:#00F">chba <u style="color:#00F">ller 17:54, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I've replied on the nomination to pass it, as my concerns have been resolved, although I do think it was fair enough to close the nomination after zero edits on any page from the nominator in almost a month. I'll try to remember to ping people when I review nominations in the future. Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 21:13, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

How to handle an overloaded Earwig
Lately, Earwig has been giving lots of errors of the form Google Error: HTTP Error 429: Too Many Requests. I'm guessing that's related to the ongoing GA backlog drive. If you get that error, you can still use Earwig in degraded mode. Uncheck the "Use search engine" box near the bottom of the form and resubmit your request. It won't do the full Google search for duplicated text, but it will at least check the references, which picks up a lot of problems.

There's also a box you can check for "Use Turnitin", which I haven't explored much. I assume it runs a query at Turnitin, which is very popular with college professors checking student papers. It's probably worth trying. I don't know if we also have a quota there. RoySmith (talk) 15:03, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you, that is good intel. Bruxton (talk) 17:29, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I just got a 502 bad gateway on Earwig (for the above promotion). I've AGF'd for now but if it pops back online before I wake up, feel free to check it for me.-- <u style="color:#00F">Laun <u style="color:#00F">chba <u style="color:#00F">ller 22:16, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Scybalium fungiforme
the image is so dark, it's pretty much unrecognizable. I've uploaded an adjusted version, but I'm hesitant to just drop it into place because as a scientific image, the exact coloring needs to be correct. So, just offering it here as a possible replacement. RoySmith (talk) 22:10, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Looking at that images and comparing to others of the same species, I think this will work fine.-- Kev min  § 23:14, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Sounds good! Thanks for the colour adjustment, should be fine with me! Ornithoptera (talk) 01:23, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * OK, I've replaced the image in both the article and the prep set. RoySmith (talk) 01:30, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Filmography lists
Are newly created or moved lists eligible for DYK? Specifically, A. Sreekar Prasad filmography, which I am trying to get to FL status. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 06:05, 20 July 2024 (UTC)


 * The rules are here and the filmography itself isn't new content, so bad luck on that front. FL is also not something that's recognised by DYK, so no luck there either (but you can always nominate at FL, of course). What is new is the prose that you've written. That could be eligible, but you have to nominate within seven days of having started creating that content. For DYK, everything needs to be referenced, and that includes every single item in a list. You are a long way off from that, but you can nominate regardless and then keep working on it, with an understanding that you finish work on the referencing soon. I hope that helps, .  Schwede 66  06:22, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Schwede66 to clarify, my intention was to nominate the prose section and not the list itself. Do wikilinks count as references where the BLP's involvement can be verified in the respective film's article? I thought inline citations were only needed for FL and for the statements that are nominated in DYK, and not for the whole article. The prose section is completely sourced though. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 07:06, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * You don't nominate a "prose section"; you nominate an article. With regards to whether you can rely on Wikilinks as a reference, that gets a big, fat NO. You might want to read WP:WPNOTRS.  Schwede 66  07:19, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Understood, thank you. As you previously mentioned, if I nominate it for DYK, how long will I have approximately to make the full list completely sourced? Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 07:30, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't think anyone would mind if it takes you a week or ten days. Three weeks would probably be pushing it.  Schwede 66  11:02, 20 July 2024 (UTC)