Talk:Cree Summer

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The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Yamara 14:17, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Discussion
Someone made a change to the article that was not only factually incorrect but also contradictory. It said that the album was "not officially released" and that "consequently sales were low"; an album that was not released couldn't have any sales at ALL, what with it being...not...released...I have altered the text to be both factually accurate and sensical.

Was the song broadcasted in Australia?
Before I read the Article it stated "in Austria and Europe". Since Austria is in Europe, it obviously should say "Australia". I corrected this, but don't know if the song really was broadcasted there. If you know for sure it wasn't, please correct the Article. Thanks.


 * Your assumption is off the mark. What it SHOULD say is "in Europe, with a separate release for Austria". Midnightguinea 00:13, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Street Fairie Fate?
"In 1999 Summer released the solo album Street Faerie produced by and featuring guest artist (and friend) Lenny Kravitz, the album was not hugely successful. Summer toured as Kravitz's opening act, but her label dropped her and a planned spot with Lillith Fair was cancelled. The label continued to promote it, however, sending out a four track sampler to radio and issuing remix singles of the track "Revelation Sunshine" in Australia and Europe."

Actually Cree was dropped by the label as part of a buy out and although the CD was released the label had already lost interest even before the launch and so all marketing which was done actually was laid in before launch. (Another artist on the label told me that Cree's CD missed getting cut altogether by just a few days.) While I don't have time to find all the actual dates you can be assured that the paragraph above is both wrong and misleading. Someone who has the contacts and or time should fix this. Perhaps I'll come back at some point but I'm listening to the CD right now and thought I'd stop by to see what the Wiki has to say about Cree.

Video
She also had a special guest apperance in a music video. The artist was Jamal Ski.

Credits need cleanup or editing
The sections describing her voice-over roles are getting messy and disjointed. Some lines mentioning 'more recent' appearances refer to performances older than the ones just referenced. Each person (self included) adds a line or two about the role s/he considers more notable, without a cohesive presentation. Lawikitejana 05:37, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Is it possible to have her credits (i.e movies, TV, etc) listed in a chronological order as opposed to alphabetically?--Kwake20 (talk) 00:16, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I added the point about Summer being in the Michael Jackson "Black or White" video - but I clearly didn't do the credit properly. If anyone knows how to correct it, the source is Voicechasers.com (http://voicechasers.com/database/showactor.php?actorid=1215) and she is also credited on the IMDB listing for the video itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocheyb (talk • contribs) 20:26, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Cree Summer is NOT Canadian
She was born in the United States and as far as I am aware and according to biographical information that I found even though she briefly lived in Canada she never immigrated to Canada, i.e. NEVER held a Canadian passport, In fact while she was still a child she moved back to Los Angeles to work on Inspector Gadget. Misterrick 06:47, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes Cree Summer IS Canadian! She was born in LA but grew up in Saskatchewan, Canada. And Besides... her father, Don Francks, is Canadian.

I'm sorry you are wrong she is not Canadian just because she lived in Canada for a brief time and her father was born in Canadian does not make her Canadian. She was born in Los Angeles which as I recall is part of the United States and and she lives in Los Angeles (Again United States) and holds U.S. Citizenship, I agree with User:Misterrick just because she lived in and her father was born in Canada doesn't automatically make her a Canadian citizen. Unless you can provide some proof that Mr. Summer held Canadian citizenship please don't revert. 141.150.104.202 00:31, 10 October 2007 (UTC

Just for the fact her father is a Canadian, makes her half-Canadian. And in Canada, even if you are born outside, but at least one of your parents holds a canadian citizenship. then you have Canadian citizenship right away.

Norum (talk) 01:04, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

ACTUALLY IT LOOKS LIKE SHE IS CANADIAN
BOTH of her parents are listed as Canadian - and all of these sites list her as Canadian:

http://www.netglimse.com/celebs/pages/cree_summer/index.shtml (lists her as "American-born Canadian") http://www.lyricsfreak.com/c/cree+summer/ (lists her as Canadian) http://jam.canoe.ca/Music/Artists/S/Summer_Cree/2001/06/19/750164.html (listed as Canadian) http://www.canadians.ca/more/profiles/s/s_cree_summer.htm  (Cdn) https://nickelodeon.fandom.com/wiki/Cree_Summer (Cdn) http://www.bambooweb.com/articles/c/r/Cree_Summer.html (Cdn) http://www.phs2.net/cwi/L3/ob341i.htm (Cdn- quoting someone from the Toronto Sun)

Was the Nick Wiki a reliable source when it was under the old wikia.com domain? Nope. But since it got transferred to the fandom.com URL sometime in the end of October it is now.

Bye,

67.81.163.178 (talk) 01:54, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Poor picture choice
An artistic photograph like this one is not an idea choice for a biography. It's a pretty photo, but it doesn't give a very accurate representation of Summer's appearance. I am changing it. Midnightguinea 00:14, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Not that I have any real issue with it, but why is that necessarily a better image? --Happylobster 14:43, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

/noinclude
I don't know how to get rid of that "/noinclude" at the end of the end of the article. Any help? dq 05:24, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't see that tag anywhere in the article. Gdo01 05:26, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Biography restructuring
Okay, so I took the time to polish up her biography. I took out all the unnecessary bits of the listing of her voices in the previous revision as well as actually picking out what I thought were her more identifiable ones (feel free to disagree, tho :)). The African-American stereotype listing has been done away and the roles are branched according to medium instead. I realised at the end of the revision that I forgot to place any years on them, though that's something I'd do tomorrow when I have time.

Is there anything that I should or shouldn't have done? Whichever happens, please leave me a message and I'll be happy to take all critique to heart. Thanks. Freqrexy 02:01, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes there is. Cree Summers is categorised under African-American actors. I believe there may be no justification for this and that she claims to be a member of the Cree First Nation. Certainli her mother is of the Cree First Nation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spathaky (talk • contribs) 10:02, 4 November 2009 (UTC)


 * If she identifies herself as Native American, why does the article state that she is African-Canadian? Is this an opinion, in violation of WP policy? Remember, the idea of being Negro because, recursively, one or both parents is Negro ("Negro blood") is an obsolete, bigoted view, clearly offensive to many; it reinforces the misused and historically highly discriminatory idea of race and is useless in science since it implies that all humans are Negro and therefore all Americans are African-American, because humans evolved in Africa prior to their spreading over the earth and achieving the current variations in phenotype. David Spector (talk) 12:24, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

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Add her mother who is alive and has raised her with her father as a married biracial couple. Her mother is a black actress as well. Thanks
Add her mother who is alive and was married to her father who both raised biracial children. Her mother is a black women. Thanks 2601:5CB:4100:4100:95B3:80AA:8DB6:1300 (talk) 03:25, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Relationship to Red Pheasant Cree Nation
@User:Yuchitown, I think maybe you could parse this better than I could. From looking at different sources, it is my understanding that Cree Summer, her brother Rainbow Sun Francks, mother Lili Francks, and father Don Francks are "honorary" Cree but not enrolled? I wasn't sure what "adopted" meant in a Canadian context. This source described the Francks mother as a "member" of the Red Pheasant Cree Nation with the Cree name Red Eagle and her father as an "honorary Cree". If they were both just adopted as honorary members, then all three articles can be edited for clarity. Come to think of it, there is no article on Wikipedia on the subject of honorary membership in Indigenous nations. Seems notable enough of a topic to me to warrant an article. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 03:13, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm so sorry. I'm not familiar with this family, but I can read up. Yuchitown (talk) 03:14, 28 January 2023 (UTC)Yuchitown
 * I'm not familiar with this one, either, but usually claims of adoption are misunderstood by mainstream media outlets. Adoptions are by families, making someone a family member. But unless they get a direct quote from the family member who adopted the person - and sometimes even then - the press will misreport that the entire Nation adopted them. (Which doesn't happen unless the entire Nation agrees to it. My understanding, from intertribal meetings of tribal leaders, on this subject, is that this has never happened.) I've seen this misreporting happen pretty much every time a celebrity is adopted. BB, if you haven't, check out our WP:NDNID essay, that covers the issues with sourcing Native identity. Mainstream outlets, even usually reliable ones, most of the time don't know how to accurately cover citizenship issues. Best, -  CorbieVreccan  ☊ ☼ 23:01, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Were better sources ever found for all, or any, of this? I think the photo captions are not really RS, as we don't know who wrote them - it could be a non-Indigenous photographer, librarian, or assistant to either; unless I missed something, we have no idea if they ever verified this with the Nation. I'm looking over the article right now and it looks like these bits are unsourced. If we have WP:NDNID-RS sources, we can put the content back in accordance with reliable sources. But for now I'm going to cut it. - CorbieVreccan  ☊ ☼ 20:51, 23 February 2023 (UTC)