Talk:Cultural property protection in Poland

Name
This article was originally created under the Polish name "zabytek", and moved uncontroversially, if without discussion, two years back. I support having this under and English name, per WP:Use English. Zabytek is meaningless to a foreign speaker, but the English name makes it more useful; this applies even more to the corresponding Category:Zabytki. With regards to English references:
 * notes that while zabytek is sometiems translated as monument, this is not a good translation, as Polish zabytek can refer to a wider range of concepts (ex. books) which the English term monument would usually excuse;
 * - I can only see a snippet of p.100 which states that the word relic may be better than monument;
 * states "A precise translation of the Polish term zabytek is difficult";
 * the Narodowy Instytut Dziedzictwa (National Heritage Board of Poland) has a rather poor English language page; it only summarizes it's mission at, and in the text it does not translate or discuss the term zabytek (but neither is it using it);
 * seems to discuss the translation of the term most extensively, but her work is only visible in snippets, so I cannot provide a proper discussion of it (I'll see if I can obtain a scan of those pages and update this if I do).
 * my review of Google Books does not suggest that there's any widespread or even mariginal use of the word zabytek (zabytki) in English;
 * I found a few academic publications that seem to translate zabytek as a "historical monument" (Drela Monika (2008), DEFINITION OF THE IMMOBILE HISTORICAL MONUMENT IN POLISH AND FRENCH LAW (Definicja zabytku nieruchomego w prawie polskim i francuskim), Gawlicki Marcin (2008), THE REGISTER OF HISTORICAL MONUMENTS IN THE PRAXIS OF CONSERVATION PROTECTION (Rejestr zabytków w praktyce ochrony konserwatorskiej), see also and . The phrase "historical monument", however, is not very precise and IMHO is simply a tautology; on Wikipedia historical monument redirects to a monument. Given that the phrase is not used very widely neither, and it is difficult to determine any Common usage applicable, I think that we are better off with the "object of cultural heritage", which is broadly correct. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  04:11, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * The category is now being discussed at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_March_27. I suggest that the page might be renamed in parallel with the outcome there, whatever it will be. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:27, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Polish article?
How come there is no Polish language version of this article? German would be very nice, too. :) Cheers, Horst-schlaemma (talk) 00:50, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The Polish version of this subject (but not this article) is in the page pl:Zabytek, which is interwikilinked to en:National heritage site, and which subject is further evolved in Polish page pl:Ochrona zabytków w Polsce, which is interwikilinked to en:Historic preservation, etc. In other words, wikidata is pretty much screwed up everywhere, even in one-to-one database correspondence, the biggeste scerw-up being impossibility to interwiki redirects from underdeveloped/merged subtopics.


 * By the way, the same shit is with German page de:Baudenkmal, which is 99% about German concept and 0.3% content overlap with its i/w en:National heritage site instead of having the match in en:National heritage sites in Deutschland. Staszek Lem (talk) 02:08, 27 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Well, the common screw ups arise because a Foo-wiki article will cover a general topic (ex. national heritage site) as well as Foo-specific version of it (national heritage site in Foo) in one article, whereas English (international) Wikipedia article will quickly grow large with sections of [xyz] in various countries and this will lead to the creation of articles like National heritage sites in Poland, Germany, etc. Which won't be created in Foo-wikis anytime soon. The best solution - I have done it many times on pl wiki - is to split the section about [xyz in Foo/Poland] to its own subarticle, and then link it properly through interwikis. PS. I have went and created pl:Zabytki w Polsce and fixed the interwikis here. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 05:57, 27 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Great work there Piotrus, and super-pragmatic approach! That's what I've done before, too. Works pretty well. Thanks and cheers, Horst-schlaemma (talk) 14:51, 27 September 2016 (UTC)