Talk:Cycle rickshaw

earlier unsigne comments
Can one include more article text and delete more external links ??Mac

a clear photo would be better. it does little to show what a velotaxi looks like. it would be ok if the taxi was clear and the backgroud blurred, that would show the velotaxi in motion on a street, rather than a street with a velotaxi passing through.

late comments
The article says They have been banned in Pakistan since the 50s/60s, which is it? 50s or 60s? and why are they banned? Edward 22:10, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * I don't know any specifics about the timing in Pakistan, but they've been banned in various (developing-world) places for two major reasons, as far as I know. First, they're perceived as exploitive and "backwards" - making the switch to motorized transport is seen as progress by some elites. Second, they're blamed for traffic congestion. In my opinion, both of these are bogus - while a rickshaw driver usually makes a pittance for incredibly brutal work, rickshaw driving is a key way for poor people to earn a living in many places, and motorized taxis take a lot more investment that makes them out of reach for many. Second, I'd say all those damn cars are really to blame for traffic congestion (and the pollution the rickshaw drivers and everyone else has to breathe). - Cdc 20:42, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Some changes
Hi to all,

I changed the fotos at the right and also the big rickshaw photo to a very nice one.

External links: I am working at this sector and think that all of them are important... But anyway. I will check them again.

Gerald (Trixi)

Velotaxi &rarr; pedicab
{reason for move} -- 80.58.33.170 13:32, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC) The word "Velotaxi" is a registered trademark and the usual name for this kind of vehicle is PEDICAB.
 * Support/Oppose - reasons for your vote (optional) 80.58.33.170 13:32, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The redirection Pedicab to Velotaxi is not correct. It should be vice versa.

As a former Veloform brand pedicab operator in New York City, I can verify Velotaxi and BicyTaxi, are registered trademarks that represent brand name of companies operating pedicabs or rickshaws featured in the German photo on this page. The make and model of the tricycle featured is "Veloform" and "City Cruiser", respectively. These Velotaxi/BicyTaxi pedicabs are also designed and promoted as an outdoor advertising medium. In New York City both common names are used to describe these passenger tricycles. The local government uses "pedicab" in the currently suspended law to regulate the industry. I will be fair in my editing to represent these concepts properly. The Velotaxi to pedicab redirection is acceptable, while the pedicab to Velotaxi redirection would be incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.164.134.112 (talk) 00:47, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Velotaxi -> Cycle rickshaw
Either that, or make a separate article on Cycle Rickshaws. This is because Velotaxi is a commercial name for a particular make of vehicle, while Cycle rickshaws are more common and prevalent term used in practice. In Bangladesh, there are almost 100,000 cycle rickshaws running in the capital Dhaka alone. And the term cycle rickshaw, or more commonly just Rickshaw is used to name those vehicles. --Ragib 23:09, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Ragib makes a strong argument for moving this article to Cycle rickshaw; that's the name used, in English, to refer to the hundreds of thousands of such vehicles in South Asia, where I'd wager the vast majority of all rickshaws are. "Rickshaw", "cycle rickshaw," or "bike rickshaw" are all common in the US too (during my brief career as a driver, we called them rickshaws) - though "pedicab" gets used too. Anyway, I'm going to make this page move shortly unless someone objects (or does it first). CDC   (talk)  28 June 2005 04:35 (UTC)


 * I've now made this move. CDC   (talk)  29 June 2005 03:59 (UTC)

Cycle Rickshaw or Pedicab
I agree - it should be "Cycle Rickshaw" or Pedicab.

Saludos Gerald (Trixi)

Thank you for the change.
Thank you for doing the change. Now it is ok.

Trishaw
Why is it the ideograms for trishaw are at the top, while other foreign entries get mentioned further down? Is the trishaw such a uniquely Japanese/Chinese thing? IMHO, move it or lose it. Trekphiler 13:14, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Draft list of North American/Euro cities which had/have pedicabs
I think this is interesting/necessary, partly because the article as written focusses on Asian pedicab design and sociological stuff, and it's quite a different scenario in "First World" countries; I noted the syntax of the London/Covent Garden-Soho mention and thought, well, time for a comprehensive list of known pedicab haunts in the US, Canada and Europe, and maybe some exegesis on their "culture" and some of the athletic/injury considerations. I am a veteran of Vancouver's Expo 86-era pedicab fleet (60 bikes plus 10 "trails" - trailer-doubles) and also was the stalwart nutcase who tried to start the world's first winter pedicab fleet in Whistler, BC (with studded tires) in '87-'88 (right idea, wrong place...should have done it in Aspen...). I'm posting this draft list here as I'm not sure of the status of certain fleets; the list shouldn't be relocated to the main page until it's been vetted by others familiar with the cities cited.Skookum1 18:58, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Current

 * Victoria, British Columbia - Kabuki Kabs enjoys a monopoly license for pedicab service in the historic core of Victoria. Business is largely tourism-related but some trade exists for nightclub service.  The fleet numbers about 25 bikes and is largely a summer-only operation.  Bikes used are the TransCanada Pedicab model manufactured by Frank Callaghan of the 1980s-vintage Vancouver fleet
 * Vancouver, British Columbia -Tikki Tikki have a large fleet of Maxpro Ecotaxi pedicabs and there is also a small fleet of revamped American-frame pedicabs that continue to serve Vancouver's tourist and nightlife trade. Most business is nightlife-related and concentrated in the city's Granville Mall and Yaletown club districts.  City restrictions on usage of various streets and pedestrian walkways/seawalls are considered to inhibit expansion of pedicab service, partly because they limit tour/access possibilities.
 * Toronto, Ontario - I've only heard that T.O's pedicabs are still in service; corroboration needed and also location (Yorkville?)
 * Other Canadian cities? - Halifax? Calgary?  Winnipeg?  Ottawa?


 * Laughlin, Nevada - still?
 * San Francisco, California - still?
 * Los Angeles, California - Westwood area (still?)
 * San Diego, California

Don't forget:
 * New York City - NY pedicab industry has undergone substantial political and legal scrutiny since 2006, but it's still quite active. EvolutionRevolution (talk) 04:58, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Past

 * Vancouver, British Columbia - 1984-1987 Two fleets started out around 1983 or 1984, one with 4-5 flyer-style 175 lb pedicabs owned by Dave Kerr, the other company being TrasnCanada Pedicab owned by Frank Callaghan, using specially-designed 375-lb International Pedicabs (modelled on the 300-lb American pedicab co. model).  During Expo '86 the Int'l Pedicab fleet expanded dramatically to a total of sixty bikes, and ten specially-designed "pedi-trails" (trailerized seating units without the driver/drive assembly hitched onto a regular pedicab; 250 lbs as I recall).  Transom advertising - a mainstay of the business end of pedicabbing - was augmented by a contract with Tiger Balm for riders to wear logo-shirts throughout the fair.  Service operated from 9am to 3am in three shifts of six hours each.  Main routes were from the gate-aprons of the Expo site to its various parking lots and to and around Gastown/Chinatown/Yaletown or into the upper downtown, with peripheral service into the West End and Coal Harbour and occasionally very far afield, and the afternoon and morning shifts saw steady trade in by-the-hour tour and shopping services; the evening shift devolved off the nightly fireworks spectacle from 9:30 to 10, then served largely nightclub/bar-oriented business until shift-end at 3am.  Some riders could ride over sixty kilometres of service in a single shift (many rode double shifts) and Vancouver's hilly terrain made special riding conditions rivalled only by San Francisco (where bikes were of the 175 lb models, not the 375 or 35+250 models used in Vancouver).  A portion of the fleet was loaned to the Social Credit nominating convention in Whistler that summer on behalf of the Grace McCarthy leadership campaign.  The following year TransCanada pedicab did not operate and sold off the Expo fleet, partly to Kabuki Kab of Victoria but also to buyers in other cities, notably Laughlin, Nevada where the same company already operated a winter-season fleet.  A single rider operated, sponsored by a Gastown restaurant, but was not successful, during 1987.
 * Whistler, British Columbia - the success of the Socred-convention era loan of pedicabs inspired an Expo-fleet veteran and ex-Whistler local to launch a fleet serving Whistler village, starting in the fall of '87. Underfinanced and using the poorer-quality 175 lb bikes, the owner  launched operations with the mayor's blessing, only to find when the licensing application came up before council that the resort's monopolistic business culture had bushwhacked him on behalf of a bicycle-rental/sale company that perceived that pedicab service might hurt his bike rentals (and was also in the way of his plans to rent an Indonesian-style friction-brake cab to uninsured, unlicensed tourist driver/users).  Despite letters of recommendation from both ski hills and strong support within the community as well as seen as a good thing by village security, and very favourable responses from tourists and skiers and clubgoers, the license was only begrudgingly granted by council with the stipulation that the bikes were limited to the parking lots and industrial service roads surrounding the village, thereby cutting off all viable destinations and routes and the business was "strangled on the vine" with not enough revenue to maintain the bikes or rent a garage anywhere near the village; the same license regulations and bylaw applied to dog teams and horse and carriage operations, both of which flouted the law and operated in the village with impunity.  In poor repair, the bikes were later sold to the operator of what is now the Vancouver fleet and refurbished by him and pedicab service ended in Whistler, although some proposals to restore it have run aground because of previous licensing restrictions and the involvement of those who had shut down the 1987-88 operation in the new proposals (opening the muni to possibilities of discriminatory-licensing suits if they ever proceeded with new licenses that had more favourable conditions).
 * Seattle, Washington - a small fleet of flyer-style 175 lb pedicabs served the Pioneer District-Belltown area
 * Spokane, Washington - a fleet of Vancouver-style 375 lb cabs (?) operated during Spokane's World's Fair (and may still?)
 * Honolulu, Hawaii - a large fleet, apparently with many independents, served the streets of the Hawaiian resort capital, mostly Waikiki, until shutdown because of endemic drug-dealing and male prostitution.
 * New York, New York - I've heard of trikes in NYC, presumably in the Village, but don't know any more details than that.

Caribbean

 * Trinidad, Bahamas, Caymans, Bermuda may have/had pedicab/rickshaw service, but more on the Asian model I think.
 * Havana for sure; just saw some on CBC footage re a documentary on Cuban politics, "CBC Sunday Morning", today Dec 21/08.Skookum1 (talk) 14:17, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Current

 * London, England - Covent Garden and Soho areas where tikki tikki rickshaws and pedicabs operate a fleet of eleven bikes. They currently ferry customers around the west end and sell advertising on their bikes. They have also operated fleets in Sydney Australia and Auckland NZ. Tikki Tikki is somewhat of a global company, they now have pedicabs in Vancouver.

Past
??

Current

 * Sydney, Australia (Paddington area I think)

Past

 * Gold Coast - I just happen to know guys who worked on 'cabs in the gold Coast area, not sure which specific areas.Skookum1 (talk) 14:18, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

I added a link: www.rickshawforum.com
Hi to all: I added a link to "Cycle Rickshaw": www.rickshawforum.com. It is forum (english + german) and includes also the most complete directory of manufacturers & operators in the world.

San Diego Controversy re Vancouver Expo '86 fleet
Reading the San Diego controversy was interesting; seems to be carefully avoiding POV but could use tightening and linguistic editing. Got me remembering some of the issues with the way the Vancouver fleet was run - "gouging" was a big problem (overcharging) and at first it was limited to a small cadre of veteran riders; they'd extort passengers with ridiculous fares like $100 for two blocks; but they' get it, partly because they knew how to pick their customers. This opposite to others of us who rode like wild animals and charged the set rate ($0.75/blk or $60/hr) and actually were silly enough to declare all our take at the garage (commission system rather than rental, as in Victoria); the gougers would always find what the range other riders were pulling during the shift and declare about 80% of that when they came in, pocketing the rest. But it made it hard on the rest of us, as it caused a "hard sell" atmosphere. Then, at one point mid-season one of the guys on what we called the East Gate Shuttle - the Expo East Gate to Chinatown and Gastown, about half a mile on the flat (flat terrain is rare in Vancouver riding) and using the double cabs described in my other ramble above (should be a pic on www.kabukikabs.com) - made over $200 legitimate bucks in one six-hour shift. The bosses called the newspaper and Luc got a full-page spread, beefy legs and franco-canadien grin reclining fat-cat in his cab, with an article about what great bucks it was. Within the week there were a few hundred new kids signed up, none of whom really wanted to ride but wanted to make the big bucks; and there were gougers to give them the clue as to how to get away with it. So you had this situation where experienced riders, with legs like rhinos, couldn't get shifts because all the new guys had booked up all available cabs; and the reason the bosses liked this was because there was a deposit and a uniform fee. 500 guys x 100 bucks is a lot of money, huh? So the bosses were less concerned with our commission take (still wanting it, though) than they were in enlisting new riders; and they weren't particular if they stayed around or not, because turnover was always a good thing as there'd always be more guys wanting to sign up; but then they found out, once on their bikes, that they didn't have sales skills, didn't know the city, didn't know where we were allowed to ride (or where we could get away with if not allowed, such as the perimeter road around the Expo site, Pacific Boulevard), and didn't want to ride hills. Which, in Vancouver, means you just can't go anywhere; everywhere is uphill, especially from the Expo site. So that's part of my story; I'd come to West Gate (foot of Drake at Pacific, for anyone who knows Vancouver; now core area of Yaletown and there were five or six rookies sitting there in the pedicab stall, not wanting to take two young student reporters from neighbouring Bellingham, Washington uptown because it was uphill. I was the bull-jock of the fleet, or one of them, and purdy pissed off about this laziness on the part of the rookies, so - especially because it was reporters - I gave the rookies mild shit and told the two young Yanks to get in, and started up towards town; no problem, and the hill not a biggie by my standards; but I hadn't stopped for lunch or to stretch; which I was intending to have done at West Gate.  Approaching a corner left-turn (one-way to one-way) that I wanted to take, which had a big depression in the angle of the corner (Homer at Smithe, again for those who know Vancouver), I did a standard sit-down-stand-up routine to shift the derailleur (non-SIS so you had to take the weight off the pedals, even momentarily); but I did it mid-corner, with my body twisted as I did it. I felt a twang on the inside of my right hip; oh shit, I went, but I still had the pump going and got them the next four or five blocks to the corner of Howe or Hornby or Smithe or whatever it was and let them off. I knew I had to go to the garage, which luckily was downhill all the way to Gastown (in a back alley in the 00-block between Cordova and Hastings; even then a "shooting gallery" for junkies and filled with assorted, garbage, fornicating drunks and what-not; behind the very worst strip of Skid Road and now fully part of it); I booked out the cab, commented I'd been injured, and headed for the Fleet Captain's place to crash, as I knew I wouldn't be able to ride my Ritchey home to the North Shore (a choice of two big, steep bridges and about six miles). I slept with my legs up on his chair overnight; standard treatment for back/hip injury; but when I got up in the morning I couldn't stand, couldn't walk; too me half an hour to go to the corner, a full two hours to make it three blocks to a chiro's who couldn't treat me as I was seized up so much....really long story, agonizing pain, temporary debilitation although I did return to work for the rest of the summer; but after the work ended atrophy set in and my spinal collapse/hip pain got to acute levels, and stayed that way. Shit is that when I left work that fall, I was accused by the bosses of withhholding commissions; the reality was that I wasn't able to ride as much or as hard, and the big grin on my face wasn't as naturally there as it had been before; so bad for sales. Eventually this argument won out with Umemployment Insurance; but I got screwed by Compo and my life derailed in too long and grueling a fashion to tell y'all about here. But all because, essentially, the bosses didn't respect the riders they had, and got into cash-for-the-sake-of-cash with the rookie rider thing, and exploited the deposit system to their best advantage, but to no one else's. OK, OK, business is business; but reading about what's going on in San Diego brought some of this back; when we first started up those of us who knew the city were hired to give lessons to those who didn't, and also in p.r.; but that the gougers included one of the bosses' brother and his best friends made the gouging thing acceptable, and set the stage for the "lazy, know-nothing rookie" thing. Not that those Turkish guys aren't good guys (Merhaba!!), only that the company hiring them should take the time to show them around, teach them sales and penalize them if they're caught gouging. Part of that means the public has to be made aware of the issue, and the bosses have to respond and deal with it if a complaint is made....Skookum1 21:46, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

PS we had a lot of characters in that fleet, and a lot of wild stories; we used to joke about "Pedicab: The Movie" and it's not such a bad idea I think.....a couple of our most successful riders never charged a fare, only saying "pay me what you want". And in every ride they gave, they got more than the other legitimate (non-gouger) riders who either ballparked or charged the flat-rate plus tip. And then there was Big Mel; fascinating talker, charismatic, who would so entertain his guests/clients that they'd want to take him to the bar; "fine, so long as you pay my hourly". So Mel got $60/hr PLUS to go hang out and have some beers and chew the fat all afternoon.....but ya gotta have style/character to pull that one off. Then there were the dares - one big handsome stud with legs that belonged on an elephant - rode the very-gay Davie Street strip at peak hour for $200 bucks, buck-naked; straight though he was, butt pumping away for all to enjoy. And the dare I took, riding up the lower part of Davie from English Bay on a dare from a drunken cougar, towing her meat out of the bar (Balthazar now), who didn't believe I could climb THAT hill (oh yeah, tough, but oh yeah); boy was she pissed off when I made it to the top of the hill and she had to fork over the $60 (for about four blocks). That wasn't gouging; that was WORK.Skookum1 21:46, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

"San Diego controversy", and article focus generally
I've removed this section; as it stands now it's unreferenced original research, and is hence unencyclopedic. Even with sources, that level of detail about a frankly common labor controversy in a single US city just doesn't belong in an article about cycle rickshaws in general. It's really important to keep in mind that the vast majority of rickshaws in the world are found in Asia; I'm guessing, but 98 percent is probably reasonable, as anyone who's ever seen a rickshaw jam in the streets of Dhaka can attest. This isn't to say that wealthy-country rickshaws shouldn't be mentioned, using published sources - they exist, and are different from their Asian counterparts in interesting ways. But giving undue weight to the issues and equipment of the relatively minor North American or European rickshaw operations is a manifestation of systemic bias, and hence isn't neutral. For the same reason, I'd be opposed to the detailed list of North American rickshaw fleets above being moved to the article, even though it's interesting. We wouldn't consider including such list for India, Bangladesh, Indonesia, and other places where they're widespread - it would overwhelm the article - so we shouldn't include it for the US and Canada. CDC (talk) 19:10, 27 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I totally agree with Cdc. The number of Rickshaws in Dhaka city alone is perhaps 10+ times more than the total number of rickshaws in all European and North American fleets combined (Dhaka has close to 100,000 registered rickshaws, but estimates indicate with unregistered ones, the total number is probably double or triple that). This is not counting the rickshaws in other places in Bangladesh. So, the San Diego fleet news is quite insignificant indeed. --Ragib 20:00, 27 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree about the local-labour issues, except as pre my previous comments as they concern pecularities of pedicabbing in North America, which is a recreational/amusement activity instead of basic public tranport is in Asia. But I disagree that just because the SD fleet is smaller than those in Asia it's "insignificant".  It's not in North American terms, and in fact would appear to be one of the larger operating fleets there at the moment.  Better that that section might have been condensed, concerning social/labour issues in the North American market.  Numbers alone do not warrant "significance", and there is a very different context/situation in North America relative to Asian pedicabbing; so far at least (i.e. until the gas runs out).  BTW there was an item here on the news the other day that Tuk-tuks are catching on in England as an alternative to taxicabs and public transit (both very expensive in the UK); I can't ride pedicab anymore because of back/hip problems but, gee, I wouldn't mind riding a swanked up tuktuk...on second thought, Vancouver traffic's a nightmare....Anyway pls be aware that just because NAm pedicabbing is on a different scale it's just as important/worthy of mention in the article, which of course should separate the relative contexts as much as possible; North Americans looking up pedicabs might be interested to know what's going on in Asia with them; but they're probably looking them up concerning the North American context....Skookum1 20:31, 27 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Like I wrote above, I don't think that North American or European rickshaws should not be mentioned at all - they're in the article now and should stay, and I think the current paragraph #4 about them is good. My point was simply that the article's focus should be on Asian rickshaws, because of their overwhelming importance to transportation, social and economic significance, not to mention sheer numbers, compared to North America. As Wikipedia is a global project, it needs to reflect that. I say this as a huge fan of rickshaws, everywhere in the world.


 * That said, that bit about controversy San Diego lacked any reliable sources, and was based on original research. A short bit on the the economic or labor aspects of North American rickshaws would be great, if there are reliable sources for it, but the text I removed was not a very good start toward that. CDC (talk) 00:06, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Removed commercial external links
I've removed the commercial links to various company websites. These do not add anything to the article, and are contrary to wikipedia's policies on external links. --Ragib 07:43, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Rickshawforum.com
Unfortunatly you deleted also the Rickshawforum.com for the link list. It is a NON-COMMERCIAL site. For me it seems to be ok to do a clean up of the link list as everybody trys to promote their products, but have in mind that Rickshawforum.com is the number 1 platform for the small world of pedicabbers.

Thank you

Gerald (Trixi)

Smithsonian rickshaw article
The March 2007 edition of the Smithsonian presented an article about the improvements and globalization of pedicart transport. I split the global discussion off from the introduction and included some about the article's look at rickshaws in NYC. Mredden 03:59, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

GA fail
OK, the main problem is that almost every statement is unreferenced.
 * 1) The vehicle is powered by the driver as one would a bicycle, though some rare configurations also have an electric motor assisting the driver.
 * 2) The vehicle is usually a tricycle, though some quadricycles exist, and some bicycles with trailers are configured as rickshaws.
 * 3) For example, in South Asia, the passenger seat is mounted behind the driver's, while in Indonesia the driver sits behind the passenger seat. In the Philippines, the seats are usually mounted side-by-side.
 * 4) London boasts one of the largest numbers of pedicabs, that are mostly based in Soho, Covent Garden and near tourist attractions.
 * 5) There are several American and European manufacturers of cycle rickshaws, which often incorporate features not found in developing-world vehicles, such as hydraulic disc brakes and lightweight fibreglass bodies.
 * 6) In Taiwan administered by the Republic of China, the Road Traffic Security Rules (zh:道路交通安全規則) require pedicabs to be registered by their owners with the police before they can be legally driven on public roads, or risk an administrative fine of 300 new Taiwan dollars (TWD). Their drivers must carry the police registration documents or risk a fine of 180 TWD, but no driver license is required. The administrative fines are based on Articles 69 and 71 of the Act Governing the Punishment of Violation of Road traffic Regulations (zh:道路交通管理處罰條例). As Taiwanese road traffic is now heavily motorized, most pedicabs have been replaced by taxicabs, but they can still be found at limited places, such as Cijin District of Kaohsiung City.
 * 7) In Delhi, a 1980 study found only one percent of drivers owned their vehicles, but ownership rates in several other Indian cities were much higher, including fifteen percent in Hyderabad and twenty-two percent in Faridabad.
 * 8) A 1977 study in Chiang Mai, Thailand found that 44% of rickshaw drivers were owners. In Bangladesh, driver-ownership is usually highest in rural areas and lowest in the larger cities.
 * 9) For example, they were banned in Bangkok in the mid 1960s as not fitting the modern image of the city being promoted by the government.
 * 10) In Dhaka and Jakarta, they are no longer permitted on major roads, but are still used to provide transportation within individual urban neighborhoods.
 * 11) They are banned entirely in Pakistan.
 * 12) While they have been criticized for causing congestion, rickshaws are also often hailed as environmentally-friendly, inexpensive modes of transportation.

No description of health issues?
Earlier on this page someone said that reasons of ban in Pakistan were their backward perception and traffic congestion problems. That is not true because animal drafted carts and traditional Tanga have similar problems (plus unmanaged excretions of animals), but those were not banned and are widely used in many areas of Pakistan even today.

The primary reason of cycle rickshaws ban in Pakistan was their perceived role in spreading Tuberculosis, which turned out to have some scientific weight. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mnyaseen (talk • contribs) 05:14, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Regulated vs in operation
While I placed Kabuki Kabs in the "in operation" (formerly "where they are prevalent") section, fact is they're also regulated; as also I'm sure with other companies in the first section; I'm really not sure of the distinction; I put Vancouver in the regulated section because I know the regulations; there's about 10 Tikki Tikki pedicabs in operation now and there might be some "solo artists". Essentially I don't think these two sections should be separate, unless those in the first are meant to be "entirely unregulated" which doesn't seem likely in any major city; licensing/insurance regs you'd think would be common, as well as street restrictions and so on. There's other Canadian cities, I'm not sure which - Winnipeg and Montreal I think, maybe Ottawa also. Laughlin, Nevada used to be the "winter training" operation for the company that ran Expo '86; not sure if they're still there but if they're banned in Vegas maybe they are at Laughlin too (maybe it's Lake Havasu City, we always called it Laughlin). Waikiki used to have a huge fleet, rife with prostitution and drug-dealing problems or so I've heard; are they banned there now?Skookum1 (talk) 14:58, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Removal of commercial links
I have removed a number of commercial links being used to reference specific cities. The links obviously do not meet WP:RS. Since Wikipedia is not a directory, a link to DMOZ would be a better way to provide links to specific cities and sites. Flowanda | Talk 11:58, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

possible split
I feel that the article has become dominated by the volume North American section - as originally an asian form of transport - perhaps there may be a need for a sub-article of the pedicab outside of The Asian origins? Any thoughts? SatuSuro 11:25, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Cities in North America where pedicabs are in operation
I fail to understand the usefullness of the Cities in North America where pedicabs are in operationsection, and would be only too happy to see it removed outright. How do others feel about it? What is the usefullness of keeping it if there are people wanting to keep it?--Keithonearth (talk) 01:49, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I like it, but I'm annoyed because it collects edits and spam. I wouldn't complain if it went away, I suppose. tedder (talk) 01:55, 19 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Sure this: Cities in North America where pedicabs are in operation - perhaps a better title - could be a separate article?  It does not do anything for the main content - imho SatuSuro 02:52, 19 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I'd not be opposed to a split, and thought about posting something in the above possible split section, I just wasn't sure there was enough content for a whole article. Splitting does have the very real advantage of keeping the content, and it may grow.  What about calling it Cycle Rickshaws in North America? And the content regarding Cities in North America where pedicabs are regulated, and Cities in North America where pedicabs are prohibited could be included too.  Or would it be more wise to give it a title that would allow information to be included from Europe also.  It seems that there is a clear divide between the use of rickshaws in the developing world and the rich contries.  Practical transportation on one hand and a frivolous entertaining way to travel on the other.  Cycle Rickshaws in the west?--Keithonearth (talk) 05:25, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

The other way would to be perhaps think of Rickshaws in Asia - and Rickshaw use outside of Asia SatuSuro 08:54, 19 March 2009 (UTC)


 * That sounds like a smart thing to do, but better just split off the non Asian content to Rickshaws Outside Asia as a title it is concise, meaningful, and flexable enough to cover everything we have in the Cycle rickshaw article, and still grow into a mature article. I do think Cycle rickshaw should exist as an article, and as Rickshaws were first used in Asia, and are still mostly used in Asia, it should be what this article is mainly about.--Keithonearth (talk) 04:47, 28 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I've put a split sections to tag up. I'll leave it up for a while before splitting the majority of the content regarding North America and Europe, but I do think that is the best thing to do.--Keithonearth (talk) 17:31, 29 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm all for it, as long as it is closely monitored to keep from becoming a spam magnet. tedder (talk) 18:43, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

OK, Done! I'll watch the Rickshaws Outside Asia page for spam, I hope others do too. I've copied all the relevent content over but it looks even more in need of editing now that it's a page by itself. (I'm thinking of the lists, mixed with prose and in point form. Also the section title "A global concept" never made sense to me)  I hope others take a look and do some work on it. --Keithonearth (talk) 04:21, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Request to unlock the rickshaw article
Administrator Ckatz has protected this article for flimsy and vindictive reasons. She has done a similar thing in an article Air well. Her inappropriate behavior can be seen. It is requested that some administrator should unlock this article.

59.95.9.117 (talk) 03:50, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Obvious sock of the editor whose actions led to the protection. Also complaining on my talk page. Dougweller (talk) 05:29, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Manila Rickshaw Photo
There are two of them, one in the general section and one in the "Phillipines" section. It is the same photo, should we remove one of them? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.43.73.98 (talk) 02:54, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Wrong info on Madagascar
The info apparently has a proper source, but as a local inhabitant I know the text presents severe inaccuracies.

Correct: cycle rickshaws are indeed very widespread in Toamasina.

Wrong: Toamasina is not a hilly area. It's an almost completely flat seaside plain. The nearest hill is dozens of miles away.

Wrong: in Madagascar, cycle rickshaws are mostly used in flat areas. In hilly areas like Antananarivo or Antsirabe, normal rickshaws are favored.

I was tempted to modify the article by myself, but am unable to find acceptable sources to back up the changes. Any help would be welcome.

-- Darhan (talk) 08:36, 6 April 2017 (UTC)