Talk:Danni Ashe

Before the Web, there was Danni
Danni's presence on the Net predates the Web. I believe she was the first nude model ever to post pictures of herself on the Usenet  newsgroups. But I don't remember the exact timeframe, so can't authoritatively update the article. Anyone? - Rlw (Talk) 19:36, May 30, 2005 (UTC)


 * There is an interview at http://www.ainews.com/InnerView/Danni_Ashe1.phtml, where Ashe claims to have "got onto the Internet in early 1995" and subsequently found that "my pictures were all over the newsgroups" (presumably after having posted them herself).

Ms. Ashe did upload to Newsgroups but cannot be claimed as the very first (though I know of no one who predates her). She ran ads in magazines before getting online and was part of a community of early web adopters linked to the adult industry.87.194.2.51

Stub?
I don't think this article qualifies as a stub anymore. Should the template be removed? LeoDV 09:30, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Link rather than embed?
Because of the (painted) nudity, for this article I would suggest that the image of the painted Danni Ashe should be linked rather than embedded (or replaced with a non-nude image) in accord with this tentative Wikipedia guideline: "it may be preferable not to embed possibly offensive images in articles, but rather use a [[media:image name]] link with an appropriate warning. On the other hand, if the page title already tells the reader what to expect (e.g. Erotic art in Pompeii), such a warning may be unnecessary." Though she is a porn star, not everyone knows who she is before they open the article. If the title were "Danni Ashe (pornography)" or something of the kind, that would be different. Objections? --Flex 21:33, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * I've uploaded the less-naked Image:Danni Ashe in jacket.jpg and added that to the article. tregoweth  22:19, September 7, 2005 (UTC)

Good work! --Flex 14:01, September 8, 2005 (UTC)


 * That was a retarded idea. The Wikipedia is not censored.  I have added the image back into the article.  65.95.124.63 00:24, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

5'2", natural 32FF???
That is absolutely amazing.

"WOW.Though she is a porn star, not everyone knows who she is before they open the article. If the title were "Danni Ashe (pornography)" or something of the kind, that would be different. Objections? --Flex 21:33, August 25, 2005"

Your accusations regarding her character are based on what and useful how? As for being 'self-proclaimed' she was given the award by Guiness World Records in London. It's well documented - most famously by Howard Stern. 87.194.2.51

Danni.com not "softcore"
I removed the language at the beginning referring to Danni's site as "softcore" and removed this statement:

"Her success was particularly noteworthy as Ashe’s website was built on softcore adult material without images of men or explicit sexual activity."

The part about there being no images of men is true, but there's plenty of explicit sexual activity between women as even a cursory tour of the preview pages of her site would reveal. (In fact, the following statement is taken directly from the tour page: "Danni.com's original video features include some of the best- known stars, the hottest newcomers in explicit sexual action!")

Its true that there are now some definitions of "softcore" that define it as anything other than material showing penetration by men, but that's not common useage of the term. Iamcuriousblue 21:52, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Softcore - according to the adult industry - means no penetration, no insertion and no sex. By that count Danni Ashe has only ever been softcore. Her site as of 2006 is not being run by her and should not be used to make assumptions about her career. 87.194.2.51

Danni.de Fansite?
I klicked the Danni.de side and I could not identify it as a (german) Fansite. In Fact there is nothing about Danni and it is only a site gaining profit of Danni's Name. I think the link should be erased! It's not even german! It is only ad.

As an ex-colleague of Ms. Ashe you should be aware her personal security rests on her identity being obscured. Though perfect security's impossible highlighting the fruits of careful research into her identity is a deliberate attempt to disclose information she makes an effort to obscure. Wikipedia should take the responsible view unless there's a clearly demonstrated benefit to the public which outweighs the ease with which personal information can be exploited by Dannis numerous obsessive fans. 87.194.2.51

Danni Ashe is a stagename, it's dangerous for nude models and performers to be public about their personal information. 87.194.2.51


 * It's dangerous for nude models and performers to be public period. But they do it anyway, presumably to make money or to get attention or both.  I wonder if Ms. Ashe would be willing to return her millions in exchange for the anonymity that she enjoyed prior to her becoming an Internet queen or even prior to her setting foot on stage in the very beginning.  I think that she of all people is now in a position to do some good by publicly renouncing the life of nude modeling that now seems to threaten her security, and then donating much of her earnings to a charity that might help keep young women from entering the business.  Such steps might help all of us feel more sympathy for her current lack of anonymity and security. TruthPolice 22:32, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

It's not wikipedia's job to be responsible. If her name can be verified then it belongs in the article. Someone should find out her name so we can get it on here.


 * It's not hard to find out. In fact, her real name has in the past been included in the article, but it was subsequently removed by folks like 87.194.2.51 who thought it shouldn't be included.TruthPolice 20:34, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Her safety is largely irrelevant, on the other hand, her real name is very relevant. Wikipedia is not responsible for maintaining her safety.

Penthouse buys Danni.com
I corrected the reference to Penthouse's buying of Danni.com. The article had implied that Danni herself sold the company. But the souce in question clearly implies that, as of 2006, Danni hasn't been involved in the company at all "for a couple years", and it nowhere implies that Danni herself sold it or made any money from the transaction. The fact is that she had already sold it in 2004.TruthPolice 21:26, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Real name
Can someone please point to a reliable source for Danni's "real name"? Tabercil 23:59, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Grr. Yes and no. :-(. After looking around a bit, I can point to a reliable source: ; it's an SEC filing. But it's pretty clearly a Primary Source. I can point to a couple of Secondary Sources:   ... but they're generally not considered sufficiently Reliable Sources for highly controversial information. So if someone honestly believes that Danni Ashe considers her real name private information, we should probably remove it. :-( --AnonEMouse (squeak) 14:57, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Then, there's a chain that can be built by following the marriage to this and they both seem like reliable sources, but it's original research. Sigh. Dump it. I don't think we need to go as far as deleting revisions, it's on the IMDB, which is rather popular itself, so we're not keeping any secrets, but we can't cite it reliably, so I can't see keeping it in the article. As some guy wrote once, we can keep the marriage link, that's at least something. --AnonEMouse (squeak) 15:17, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * And it gets more interesting... the edit I was referring to back then was done by User:Danniashe, and that user is now tagged as being a sockpuppet. So I would guess then that there is no immediate requirement to remove her name. Tabercil 16:45, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * How is putting 2 and 2 together "original research"? Are you trying to say that Wikipedia cannot make a perfectly valid and correct inference, but instead must wait for some "reliable" source (like some newspaper or something) to state the point explicitly?  I don't see how the latter counts as more reliable than the former, especially when the valid and correct inference is itself backed up by legit sources.  TruthPolice (talk) 18:13, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * By the way, if you haven't noticed, danni.com itself has a May 1997 article here by Roger Ebert in which Danni is said to be married to a "Bert" who is "a senior vice president of a national theater chain". This is clearly Bert Manzari who "served as Senior Vice President, Head Film Buyer of Landmark" from 1982 to April 1998.  Also, a search on intelius.com will reveal a clear relationship between Leah N. Manzari and Bert L. Manzari, and shows that Leah is the same age as Danni.  You might call this "original research", or you might call it "putting 2 and 2 together".  Let the reader be the judge.TruthPolice (talk) 18:29, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, WP:SYN describes what you refer to as original research. Vinh1313 (talk) 20:08, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Then all the worse for Wikipedia....TruthPolice (talk) 17:20, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Here's a reference link for her real name - http://www.mademan.com/chickipedia/danni-ashe/;
 * and the second one - http://www.realnameof.com/porn-stars
 * and the third one - http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0038809/bio
 * (I don't know how to insert references so if anybody could do it). Anyway I hope this is enough. --ArkinAardvark (talk) 17:06, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

For the record, IMDb is a perfectly acceptable AND reliable source for basic info like names, birthdates, etc. Its fact checked by paid staff before its posted live, its the rumor and trivia garbage that is completely suspect and User posted. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 16:56, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia is incorrect when it lists the birth name of this individual as "Leah Manzari". That is her married name (to Bert Manzari). I have done some research, but have never been able to determine her maiden/birth (last) name and I don't know that she has ever revealed it. Her real (current) name is no big secret.

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Lawsuit update
Hi All - I'm trying to update the lawsuit section which is pretty out of date. I'm new and am trying to learn the right way to post. See below for what I've tried so far. Thanks!

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Coquinet (talk • contribs) 20:28, 2 April 2017 (UTC)


 * In Wikipedia parlance, "original research" means drawing a conclusion from a source that isn't explicitly stated by that source. (In your edit, the conclusions that (1) there was an out-of-court settlement, and (2) that it was favorable to Ms. Manzari are not given in the sources you cited. Thus, original research, anathema. I encourage you to find the time to slog through the policy concerning original research.) Rebb  ing  23:15, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

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