Talk:Darkhawk

Kirkman's Darkhawk?
Is it worth mentioning that Kirkman's original pitches to Marvel Comics were the (printed) Sleepwalker Epic and a Darkhawk reboot? The reboot would have given the amulet to Chris' dad, the cop. - Darkhawk


 * Read the 1st page of Darkhawk #1. it says Created by Mike Manley and Tom DeFalco. Mr. Fingeroth is only mentioned as the writer, not a creator. This should be changed.


 * Then change it! Be brave! Also, it's a good idea to "sign" your posts in talk groups so people know who they're talking to. At the end of your post, just type in four tilde signs (the shift of the upper leftmost key on a QWERTY keyboard). Matt Deres 19:53, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Changed the creator credits to give props to Mr DeFalco, and expanded a little on the history of the Excelsior group and the aftermath of their battle with Ultron. - Sean Fewster


 * Added a summary of the story from Robert Kirkman's Marvel Team-Up arc. If I'm misrepresenting the denouement of that story (in regards to the reason they are stuck in the future), feel free to correct it.  I also updated the bibliography to include the Runaways arc. - Ubik2000 01:38, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Moved and slightly corrected the Excelsior/Loners part of Darkhawk's entry; due to the fact that the RUNAWAYS Series is within the 616/Marvel Universe.PaxHouse 19:57, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

A Note
The chronology is all out of order and there is loads of redundant information. Lots42 (talk) 18:26, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

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Mutate?
Is Darkhawk a mutate, or simply a human with an amulet that gives him powers? Rosencomet (talk) 20:24, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * He's a human with an amulet. --GrantBnet (talk) 19:44, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Darkhawk's crossover
Just to mention that DH fought U-foes with captain america and Daredevil. I thought that was worth mentionning. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.0.219.36 (talk) 21:49, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Without telling us what titles or issues this happened, your comment is solidly unhelpful. --GrantBnet (talk) 19:44, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

First appearance?
The first issue of the Darkhawk title has been established as his first official appearance. However, one editor insists that the 5 page preview in Marvel Age #97 supersedes this. Marvel and DC issue previews of titles all the time, but should in house ads for upcoming books be considered official appearances? It's my understanding that unless it is a full-size comic book intended to be in continuity, it is just advertising, and should not count in a character's bibliography. Fortdj33 (talk) 15:29, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Continuity is irrelevant to determining a character's first appearance, since continuity is strictly an in-universe concept, whereas first appearance is an out-of-universe concept. Also, remember that there are many popular characters who don't have any appearances intended to be in continuity, yet we still list first appearances for them. As a side note, I wouldn't equate previews with advertising.--NukeofEarl (talk) 15:18, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Discussion has clearly stalled here, so per WP:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle I'm restoring Marvel Age #97 as the first appearance to see if that gets it started up again. Also, Fortdj33, you say "Marvel and DC issue previews of titles all the time"; was that just an offhand remark, or are there other characters who first appeared in previews that we don't acknowledge as their first appearance? If the latter, maybe we ought to make this a general discussion at WikiProject Comics so we can form a consensus on what to do in these situations.--NukeofEarl (talk) 16:55, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
 * That may need to be a project discussion. 129.33.19.254 (talk) 00:03, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Note the two external sources at the bottom of the page. Both sources, including the owner of the IP in question, Marvel Comics, list Darkhawk #1 as the first appearance. Regarding previews, many characters, especially more recent creations, appear first in ads or in excerpts of upcoming books (previews which are effectively ads). Other examples occur in Marvel's Marvel Age magazine as well that are not acknowledged on Wikipedia (e.g. Cable_(comics) was included in a sketchbook page in issue 82, which preceded New Mutants 87). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.200.243.177 (talk) 01:49, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Asking NukeofEarl for commentary, as another edit war had been going on. 2601:D:B482:CCE0:3112:572F:AABB:E14A (talk) 03:58, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Darkhawk's First Appearance, Round 2
Hey people. I'm the guy who wrote the very first Darkhawk wiki page, way back before they brought him back in Runaways. A lot has changed since then, but one thing should be set in stone: Darkhawk's first appearance, which was definitely in Darkhawk #1. Marvel Age simply doesn't count -- according to its own page, it isn't even a comic, but rather a "promotional comic book sized magazine". An earlier argument against Marvel Age as Darkhawk's first appearance described it as "out of continuity", but I'll do you one better: it contains no original material. Rather, it's a five-page preview of Darkhawk #1, containing reprints of pages made for Darkhawk #1 followed by a blurb at the end telling you to buy Darkhawk #1. Think of it like a movie trailer. You wouldn't say that Neo's first appearance in a film was five minutes before a screening of some movie that isn't the Matrix.

Unless you're willing to argue that Darkhawk #1 contains a five-page reprint of material from Marvel Age followed by original material -- and that is completely insane -- then you must concede that Darkhawk #1 is, in fact, Darkhawk's first appearance. If for some reason folks insist on including Marvel Age #97 on Darkhawk's page -- and you really shouldn't, it doesn't count and it's confusing to include it -- I point you to the page of a character with a much more nuanced character, Firestar. She has three "first appearances" listed: one for her first appearance in media (a cartoon), one for her first comic book appearance (an adaptation of the cartoon), and one for her first in-continuity appearance. If you can come up with an elegant way to include Marvel Age #97 while concisely explaining that it is, in fact, just a five-page advert with no original material, and if you honestly think it's important to do so...have at it, I guess. In the meantime, I'm changing Darkhawk's first appearance to Darkhawk #1, because that's what it was. --Malvolio80 (talk) 16:01, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Here's some new information that will hopefully put this whole thing to bed forever. I dug up a copy of Marvel Age #97 to confirm that it contains no original material. Not only is that the case, but in fact the five preview pages are from pages 2-6 of Darkhawk #1 -- and Darkhawk does not appear in those pages. He first appears on page 14 of Darkhawk #1, or you could say he first appears in a pin-up on page 1, which is also not in Marvel Age #97. In fact, the Marvel Age version of Page 6 ends with the following blurb: "Ooops! Our preview ran out before we got to meet our newest hero. But you can pick up where we left off with Darkhawk #1, on sale in January." There are two pictures of Darkhawk in Marvel Age: one on the cover, and one illustration accompanying a text article about the character. So, even if you reject all of my arguments above, I think the fact that Darkhawk doesn't appear in Marvel Age #97 at all is pretty much the final nail in that coffin. Malvolio80 (talk) 20:41, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Marvel Age 97
The first appearance keeps getting edited. I'm going to keep it on Darkhawk #1 until someone makes an argument here. I want to emphasize that Darkhawk is not in Marvel Age 97 -- he's on the cover only, which I don't think qualifies as an appearance. Malvolio80 (talk) 15:12, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
 * It wouldn't matter if he had appeared in Marvel Age, it still wouldn't be his first appearance. There is a small minority who argue for ads and previews as the "first appearance" (Bleeding Cool does this all the time) - but those are pretty much always based around speculation - they're trying to sell this true first appearance for a profit. But, since it's been disputed, the best course of action would be to find an old Wizard, a new Overstreet, or check CGC's website. All of these sources specify first appearances. Argento Surfer (talk) 16:16, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Film appearance?
Marvel Legends lists a Darkhawk "movie version", but no mention of a film appearance is mentioned here. Is that page wrong, or does this one need an update? Argento Surfer (talk) 17:24, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

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