Talk:Deaths in November 2007

Archive
We should not archive till tomorrow as if some famous American dies tonight it will be a death recorded on 31st Oct, obviously November should have been open since the dateline passed into November and October only closed when the dateline leaves it as we are an international encyclopedia, Thanks, SqueakBox 00:25, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Nothing is being "archived". There were TWO different pages for Deaths in October 2007 which would soon become unco-ordinated. Anyone who dies on 31 October will continue to be recorded here: Deaths in October 2007. WWGB 00:32, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Well there is a very simple solution, depopulate the October page until about 9 hours hence. Its the only acceptable solution, Thanks, SqueakBox 00:35, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * this is the page top record people who have died and your claims about screwing the articles up doesn't change that. Who are you to unilaterally decide nobody in the western hemisphere can record evening deaths here? There is no consensus for such a move. Archiving the articles early is what has created the problem, completely unecessay impatience, Thanks, SqueakBox 00:41, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * For the record, I did not start the moving process. There were four different people contributing to the October-November transition around the same time, which is certainly not an ideal situation. I observed that there were two October pages in different places, always a recipe for disaster, and I was just trying to put a single article in place. I guess different people have different views, but that's not surprising on Wikipedia. When the dust settles we should all discuss and agree on the process for the end-of-month transition. Sorry that I lost my cool and used inappropriate language, it was just the frustration coming through. WWGB 00:52, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Nationality of Irish republicans
The death notice for Martin Meehan is typical of the problem in describing the nationality of an Irish republican from Northern Ireland. Meehan has been variously described in different edits as Northern Ireland|Irish, United Kingdom|British and just Irish. As a citizen of Northern Ireland he may well be British, but that is probably offensive to an Irish republican. Likewise, the Wikipedia article on Northern Ireland shows "As an alternative to British citizenship, or in addition to British citizenship, people who were born in Northern Ireland on or before 31 December 2004 (and most persons born after this date) are entitled to claim Irish citizenship." I imagine that a republican would exercise this option. So, how should the nationality of Meehan and his ilk be described? WWGB 00:52, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Dubious entry
Several editors (or one with a dynamic IP) have been inserting this entry:


 * Mamoondinia Harkundoo Wah, 87, Zimbabwean isolationist, suicide.

The reference given is basically a blog, the write-up is suspicious, and I cannot find any other confirmation that this person exists, let alone died on November 7. If anyone else can verify the information, please do. ... disco spinster   talk  20:33, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I cannot find any other reference either. (Maybe that's what happens when you are an "isolationist"!) This person would certainly not survive a WP notability debate at present. I'm inclined to wait a few days, but if no other reference turns up, I would vote to delete. Let's just not get into revert wars. WWGB 23:24, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * agreed with both of you. one of the IP editors even decided he would give me a "final warning" on the issue. leave it a few days, and if nothing substantial surfaces, nuke it.  tomasz.  12:14, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Another Dubious entry
Just removed an entry from the 21st, about a Radio 1 dj dying while eating a big mac...something about free vouchers from McDonalds...just text, no references whatsoever. SaraK (talk) 15:52, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * yes, someone's idea of a crap joke. were Chris Moyles dead, we would definitely know about it. best,  tomasz.  16:25, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Casey Calvert
For several days, other editors and I have removed an entry for Casey Calvert as non-notable. Some background:
 * There was previously a Wikipedia article for Casey Calvert
 * Following this Article for deletion debate it was decided that Calvert's article would be redirected to the article about his band Hawthorne Heights, meaning Casey Calvert exists as a blue link, but only as a redirect
 * Calvert died on 24 November
 * There are multiple instances of editors adding an entry to Deaths in 2007 only to be subsequently reversed
 * One editor responded in this way:
 * But he is in a "notable" band, and his death is listed on that page. Also, his death would at least be somewhat notable, seeing as he died in his twenties, and was a member of a particularly famous band. Plus the article Deaths in 2007 is not about deaths of notable people, but notable deaths: The following is a list of notable deaths in 2007. So...I think that Casey Calvert should be put on the article.

What do others think? Do we keep the Calvert death entry, knowing that it is only a redirect? WWGB (talk) 07:00, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Haven't quite decided on this yet, but as more food for though, no one seems to have removed John Cross, Jr., who links directly to 16th Street Baptist Church under November 15. Cheers, CP 07:17, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Now a redlink, will go after December 15 if no article. WWGB (talk) 07:48, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it should be (strongly) kept on this page, as an editor who has never heard of him or the band before this. He was in a notable band, and that's enough for my liking. He's part of something notable at least, and it's verifiable, so why not report it? Not having his death listed here seems like following the notability guideline to a pedantic extent.--h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 13:50, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Ottomar Rodolphe Vlad Dracula Prince Kretzulesco
What should we do with this individual? No sources gives more information than "he died on the weekend of November 17-18" (see this and this for two of many examples) so we can't put him under an exact date of death. Doing the "death announced" thing seems funny too, since I can't find a source that indicates it was announced any earlier than the 21st, which is definitely not the actual date he died on. Should we just include on that date anyways with a note of "death announced," or should we put him under a specific date with a note saying "approximate?" Cheers, CP 07:15, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

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