Talk:Deciduous

merger?
Anyone thought about maybe merging deciduous and evergreen into one article about both? Bumper12 02:06, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Questions
Is the proper and best way to refer to information from a URL containing references and maps, or would Glaze ice, cause of deciduous forests. perhaps be better? Should I sign any change on the edit page thus Isoptera 21:19, 3 December 2007 (UTC) or should it be signed there so Isoptera 21:19, 3 December 2007 (UTC) = isoptera ? Sending a message to  isoptera@mchsi.com would be the most convenient way to respond for me. Sincerely, Charles Weber

how to refer and sign
Is the proper and best way to refer to information from a URL containing references and maps, or would Glaze ice, cause of deciduous forests. perhaps be better? Should I sign any change on the edit page thus Isoptera 21:47, 3 December 2007 (UTC) or should it be signed there so Isoptera 21:47, 3 December 2007 (UTC) = isoptera ? Sincerely, Charles Weber PS This is a duplicate letter to a similar talk page from this same article.

PS I think I have found the answer to this query, so please ignore it Isoptera 02:45, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Quality of article
This article is very badly written and reads like a 13 year old's school report. I attempted to rewrite the first two paragraphs but HardyPlants has subsequently reverted all changes on the grounds that errors have been introduced. I am not an expert in this area, so will somebody who is please rewrite this to bring it up to standard?Porridgebowl (talk) 04:22, 28 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree. What does "our country" in the first line even mean? 71.185.140.192 (talk) 06:11, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Evolution of Deciduous Trees
A section on the development or evolution of deciduous trees should be added. When did they begin appearing and why? Virgil H. Soule (talk) 04:23, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I came to the article expecting to find a section on the evolutionary history of deciduous trees. I see Virgil H. Soule also suggests such a section. I strongly encourage any expert who reads this to contribute! Minetruly (talk) 23:28, 7 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I came to this article in search of exactly the same thing, and came to this notes page to make the same plea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.81.101.171 (talk) 11:32, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

amount of rain fall
the amount of rain fall in the deciduous forest is around 18 inches in the summer season. in the winter there is around 14 inches. the average tempature is 70 degrees in the summer time and in the winter time it is below freezing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.83.240.83 (talk) 15:48, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Animals
There are many animals in a deciduous forest such as red squirrels, black bears, platypus, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.19.239.60 (talk) 01:42, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Correction for the "Deciduous woody plants" section
At the Deciduous woody plants section, the last part of the last sentence states:

'...however there are no deciduous species among tree-like monocotyledonous plants, e.g. palms, yuccas, and dracenas.'

I believe the last word "dracenas" is inaccurate in spelling. This current spelling seems to be the name of a municipality in the state of São Paulo in Brazil, which is where the link takes you if you click on "dracenas".

I believe the correct spelling for use in this Deciduous article and woody plants section is: Dracaena. And Wikipedia already has an article further discussing these kinds of plants, which subsequently verifies my suggested correction of spelling.

Although I have not intentionally reviewed the spelling of the entire Deciduous article, I happened to notice this one, so I hope it helps improve the accuracy. I wanted to share this info in discussions first in order to get verification, rather than doing a juggling act of edits.

Chrs84 (talk) 04:29, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Conclusion
-Located around Northern America & Middle of Euroupe -Average rain force is 30 to 60 inches per year -Inhabited by large trees such as oak, maple and elm -The animals are hibernating as a mean of adaption to the changing climates — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cecilia Shi (talk • contribs) 03:45, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

"Converse of deciduous is evergreen" section
This statement was found in the Botany section of this article: The converse of deciduous is evergreen, where green foliage is persistent year round"

I altered it to: The converse of deciduous is evergreen, where foliage is shed on a different schedule from deciduous tress, therefore appearing to remain green year round.[7]

I did that because the leaves (includes needles) actually fall within a wide range of spans, called the "leaf life span (LLS)" in botany. The WP article Evergreen mentions that their LLS ranges from months to 30 years in the Great Basin Bristlecone Pine. (Even more, I saw on the National Park Service site, "Great Basin National Park", that they have an LLS of "25-40 yrs old.")

Since evergreen leaves shed differently, and more slowly, the overall impression is that the evergreens always show some green, though some leaves are retained much less than a year. All the best, Wordreader (talk) 05:15, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

tropical deciduous forests
these are found in the parts of central and south america and western africa almost 10° to 30°N AND S OF EQUATOR. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.101.157.0 (talk) 17:28, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

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Not yet mentioned
It is not mentioned at the present that losing leaves in the cold season removes the threat of the plant's water-conducting pipes being blocked by air bubbles that get created as water freezes and thaws. I can't add it to the article because I can't work out from the source if this is reserved to angiosperms or if it applies to all plants: these angiosperm specialists may well say "plants" when they think "angiosperms", and as this is not a scientific paper as such they are not due to apply that level of precision. Also, it says "some had traits used for other purposes that they co-opted for cold tolerance" and I'm wondering if this applies to "plants that developed deciduousness as adaptation for hot climates, then used that trait to fight off cold". In that source there is no mention of adapting to hot temps'. Anyway, it comes up as something like this:


 * For angiosperms (flowering plants) at least, this has been an essential acquisition prior to colonizing places with cold climates or / and adapting to climate changes.
 * Deciduousness is one of three strategies developed by [plants / angiosperms](*) to minimize the harmful impact of cold / frost. The other two are thinner water-conducting pathways to reduce the risk of air bubbles that may block said pathways ; and, for herbs, losing all material above ground to rely solely on underground parts for survival. These latter two strategies were developed after colonisation of cold areas, whereas losing leaves developed prior to moving into cold areas.


 * (*) Angiosperms first appeared in tropical climates; their expansion into colder climates was unsuccessful until they learned to drop their leaves in winter. This prevented air bubbles blocking their water-conducting pipes as water freezes and thaws.

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Pueblo89 (talk) 14:47, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Part of year
The page says the trees lose their leaves for part of the year. However you should also mention the case that immediately upon dropping all leaves, all the new leaves start to grow right away. Therefore the part of the year is very very short, one day! Jidanni (talk) 05:35, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Example: Millettia pinnata. Jidanni (talk) 05:43, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a dictionary
In the fields of horticulture and botany, the term deciduous means "falling off at maturity" and "tending to fall off", in reference to trees and shrubs that seasonally shed leaves, usually in the autumn; to the shedding of petals, after flowering; and to the shedding of ripe fruit.

I've scanned tens of thousands of leads, and I've rarely found one that sets off as a dictionary to good effect.

Here's how I refactored this for my own notes:

In botany, deciduous is a descriptive category of:
 * trees and shrubs that seasonally shed leaves — usually in the autumn

In horticulture, the term "deciduous" also describes:
 * shedding of petals — after flowering
 * shedding of ripe fruit

Generally, the term "deciduous" means "the dropping of a part that is no longer needed or useful" and the "falling away after its purpose is finished".

In plants, it is the result of natural processes.

"Deciduous" has a similar meaning when referring to animal parts, such as:
 * deciduous antlers — deer
 * deciduous teeth — baby teeth in some mammals, including humans
 * decidua — the uterine lining that sheds off after birth

For my own purposes, I don't much care if I've slightly abused the distinction between botany and horticulture; consider it a suggested starting point. &mdash; MaxEnt 20:49, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Spring deciduous forest photograph
The first photo shown, representing a supposedly deciduous forest in spring, features most prominently two evergreen trees, which are coniferous trees and not deciduous. The flickr caption even describes the photo as depicting "Spruces and northern hardwoods" and the location as Sproul State Forest, which is not a deciduous forest, but a mix of deciduous and evergreen.

The remainder of the picture consists of non-descript tree trunks.

Anyone unfamiliar with the terminology would look at that picture and see the two spruces and incorrectly associate them with the word "deciduous". A photograph depicting a deciduous forest should not have conifers/evergreens in it at all, certainly not prominently placed in the foreground. 76.184.182.200 (talk) 18:08, 5 November 2023 (UTC)