Talk:Deliberative opinion poll

Evaluation of text so far
Under "Process" heading, a long paragraph has been copied and pasted from another source. The main idea of the paragraph should probably be summarized in the author's own words, instead. Under "Effectiveness" heading, a long quote from Fishkin has been copied and pasted. I'm also not sure whether this quote is necessary. Would it be possible to summarize Fishkin's views without pasting a quote from him? Choppy writing with run-on sentences under "Disadvantages" heading. "Disadvantages" and "Criticisms" sections seem to overlap. I understand the article is still in progress. Let me know if I can help in anyway. :)Sanguinestate (talk) 02:50, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Proposal
Somebody should incorporate this snippet from deliberative democracy into this article, which currently doesn't really explain what a deliberative opinion poll is:
 * James Fishkin's 1991 work, "Democracy and Deliberation" introduced a concrete way to apply the theory of deliberative democracy to real-world decision making, by way of what he calls the Deliberative opinion poll. In the deliberative opinion poll, a statistically representative sample of the nation or a community is gathered to discuss an issue in conditions that further deliberation. The group is then polled, and the results of the poll and the actual deliberation can be used both as a recommending force and in certain circumstances, to replace a vote. Dozens of deliberative opinion polls have been conducted across the United States since his book was published.

-Grick(talk to me!) 05:21, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

WP:SPA -> WP:UNDUE on Televote
See this edit. As the Hawaii Televotes are described, they don't qualify as deliberative because, as far as I can tell, no attempt is made to verify that there has been any review of the materials sent to the voter, or any deliberation by the voter. I believe the Hawaii Televote is notable enough on its own for an article. However, I doubt that this article should do no more than mention it as a partial precedent, and perhaps only if DP literature cites Televoting as such a precedent. Yakushima (talk) 03:46, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I got sick of seeing it sitting there, with no progress on the issue I mention. The term was trademarked precisely to prevent people from either retroactively claiming they invented something like it (this isn't similar enough anyway) or to prevent them from abusing the term. I copy the secrion here for WP:PRESERVE compliance, and in case anybody wants to start the article.
 * == Hawaii Televote ==
 * The Hawaii Televote was a form of polling that did not incorporate moderated face-to-face sessions among the citizens selected. It was invented by Ted Becker and Christa Daryl Slaton at the University of Hawaii in 1978. It was incorporated into the Hawaii State Constitutional Convention in 1978. The first two issues were whether to adopt citizens initiatives into the Hawaii Constitution and the second was whether to select Hawaii judges by election, not gubernatorial appointment.
 * The Hawaii Televote was a form of polling that did not incorporate moderated face-to-face sessions among the citizens selected. It was invented by Ted Becker and Christa Daryl Slaton at the University of Hawaii in 1978. It was incorporated into the Hawaii State Constitutional Convention in 1978. The first two issues were whether to adopt citizens initiatives into the Hawaii Constitution and the second was whether to select Hawaii judges by election, not gubernatorial appointment.


 * The Hawaii Televote method was the first university-based model of deliberative polling in the world and succeeded in attracting highly representative samples of the public to participate. There were 12 Hawaii Televotes conducted from 1978 to 1985. Ten were in Hawaii, one in New Zealand (1981) and one sponsored by SCAG (The Southern California Association of Governments) in 1983, prior to the Los Angeles Summer Olympic Games in 1984. The complex method and extensive results have been reported in two books.

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Merge with Citizens’ Assembly?
Given how citizens' assemblies typically refer to what amount to deliberative opinion polls, perhaps we should merge (or at least better integrate and explain how these two articles might be different?) Superb Owl (talk) 08:18, 28 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Officially proposing we blank and redirect at least certain sections (Criticism, examples, etc.) to Citizens' assembly Superb Owl (talk) 05:47, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Update: opted first to remove text that did not have a secondary source and make the article much more concise through copyediting to see whether it had enough to stand on its own. There are a few sources used almost ten times so there's still work to be done in the Discussion section. Superb Owl (talk) 17:52, 7 July 2023 (UTC)