Talk:Democracy in Marxism

Latest version from Democracy
This article was moved from Democracy to stop an edit war. Talk:Democracy and Talk:Democracy

I cut and pasted an earlier version of the section of Democracy to make this article.

Here is a newer version, below, which can be incorporated into this new article, as needed. Travb (talk) 15:52, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Moving article and references
This article should be moved to "Democracy in Marxism" the "Marxist theory" header is not needed, it would be the same as putting "Marxist philosophy". Also much of what this article is based on can be found in several books. Including "The Civil War in France" by Karl Marx, which serves as the foundation, Lenin's "The State and Revolution" and most of Trotsky's books would also provide useful information since he dedicated his life to fighting Stalinism and totalitarianism until he was esentially martyred. Of noteworthy mention is "The Revolution Betrayed" and "Results and Prospects". These are the books I will be researching to improve this article, if you want to add reliable information I suggest you take a look at them. They can all be found online at http://marxists.org/. (Demigod Ron 06:05, 11 November 2007 (UTC))

Misleading title
The title of the article is misleading. When I stumbled upon it, I thought it would describe the proposed democratic processes of decision-making within marxist "transitional states", or in a communist stateless society. Instead, it's a critique of liberal democracy, from a socialist point of view. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.92.230.93 (talk) 19:26, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * That would make sense, since much of Marx's writings, and many other socialists' writings, were criticisms of the capitalist system. Sometimes by stating what something is not, indicates partially what it may be. that being said, this article could use substantial filling in.AnieHall (talk) 07:39, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Pluriformity in Maxist thought
I'd like to make some comments here: First there is not one mode of thought concerning democracy in 'marxism', although it's suggested (ex. pluriform marxism vs. anarcho-marxism vs troskism). Secondly id like to point out that Lenin(ism) isn't (nessesary) the same as marx(ism) (ex. Kautsky vs. Lenin)

Maybe this page should first take into account marx' thought on democracy (as popular rule), which isn't the same as putting some quotes in the text.

Regards Sam 62.194.175.60 (talk) 16:31, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Good points, Sam. Perhaps the article should begin with Marx and Engels, and then have a later section for post-marxist theory?AnieHall (talk) 07:45, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Article needs much improvement
Title: Either a new article should be made about Democracy in Communism and the Leninist section of this article is removed, or this article should be renamed to Democracy in Communism, and all forms of Communism should be discussed.

Organization: This article needs to be expanded, organized, and needs more sources. Czarcalvinsk (talk) 12:25, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I think the title could remain, if the latter socialist thinkers were moved to a post-marx subsection? Changing the title to communism and democracy could be problematic, as there are a number of opinions out there on what communism is, and then this would raise the question of "communism in theory" and "communism and practice" and "states that have labeled themselve communist" and the question of whether or not those states actually are/were communist, and not to mention the socialism/communism distinction, etcetera. This could go on forever.


 * Agree, article needs much work, and sources!!!AnieHall (talk) 07:56, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

dictatorship of the proletariat
I think that the "dictatorship of the proletariat" is in need of a distinct section, as this is a key concept.AnieHall (talk) 08:01, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

WP:TNT?
This page is awful and seems like a WP:NOTESSAY violation. Anyone think this page could be a good candidate for AfD?? NickCT (talk) 10:29, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Recent revert
I reverted an addition of mostly quotes and primary sourced content. Wikipedia is not a collection of quotes WP:NOTQUOTE. Marxist theory originates from the works of Marx and Engels, so his views on democracy are relevant to the article and need to be explained with reliable, published secondary sources. Rupert Loup (talk) 03:52, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * So you are arguing that direct quotes from Marx and Engels are unreliable sources regarding their views on democracy? Here is the last version of the article that included these quotes. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Democracy_in_Marxism&oldid=807652001 Which version do the other editors think is better? Ghostofnemo (talk) 07:11, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * the version that got reverted is much better. that version surveyed views of Marxist writers on democracy. this one advances a POV, largely without citations. very odd. Mr H3vnu83987 (talk) 12:21, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Reference for democracy missing
User:Vif12vf Do you have any reference that "Democracy in Marxism" is a democracy beside that it's in the name? If not, then it can not be Category Democracy. Why did you remove the category "Dictatorship of the proletariat" when it's discussed in the text with references? HudecEmil (talk) 16:16, 4 February 2024 (UTC)