Talk:Denis Cuspert

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It is written: "Furthermore, it has also been reported that Cuspert, after being under observation by German authorities in Berlin, had also managed to flee to Egypt" but it would be more appropriate to say that he has to go to exile after being persecuted by German secret police called "Verfassungsschutz". He fled political repression in Germany. --217.82.158.9 (talk) 15:55, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Interesting pro-jihadist agit-prop view, nice try...--HCPUNXKID (talk) 23:49, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Enough with edits based on unsubstantiated sources
This article needs to be fully protected as our credibility now is on the line. For me the final straw was reading about our inadequacy in the German hiphop.de which literally says in article about the matter in this report as follows: "Auch bei Wikipedia war zwischendurch zu lesen, dass Denis Cuspert gestorben sei; der Artikel wurde allerdings wieder editiert und das Todesdatum gelöscht." See Zweifel an Beweisen für Deso Doggs Tod (Doubts about evidence on Deso Dogg's death). In English: "Wikipedia reported that Denis Cuspert had died, and the material was again edited and deleted about the date of death". This cannot go on like this. Just any editor, relying on just any report should not implicate us this way. IF the news of the death was confirmed, and I say IF, sooner than we know, Reuters, AP, UPI, AFP, let alone German sources would jump on the news and we would have tens of news reports. Three separate editors have edited that he had died all in a matter of one day. All we have in evidence is some obscure Arabic website, a heavily-edited jihadi YouTube footage or a website published in Mexico in Spanish. Protection is in order and a handful of editors should supervise all changes on Deso Dog page until the matter of death or otherwise is settled. I mean, what is the rush in reporting his death anyway? Wikipedia is not the place for "breaking news" where we just jump in on any information from any source. werldwayd (talk) 03:06, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Incidentally on November 20, 2013, the German Wikipedia made a similar gaffe, and was also reported by another German rap website rap.de That site in its coverage says on this page and very prominently: " Auch der deutsche Wikipedia-Eintrag zu Deso ging vorübergehend von dessen Ableben am 20. November aus, inzwischen wurde der Artikel aber wieder geändert." That translates as: Even the German Wikipedia entry on Deso ​​temporarily reported of his death on 20 November, but in the meantime, the article has been changed again.". As days go on, we will be confronted with further edits that will implicate us further. Enough is enough. Page should be protected with a handful of editors or better administrators entrusted with maintaining the page for now. werldwayd (talk) 03:14, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I have now added a carefully added wording in intro in the hope that it could stay until death news are confirmed. I added: "Some sources claim he was injured during the fighting. Some other unconfirmed reports claim that he has died.". In the story in main text, I added: "Some reports close to the jihadists claim he has died. But there is no official confirmation from independent sources about his alleged death.". Hope this will do for now. werldwayd (talk) 23:40, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Conflicting news about Deso Dogg's death
french la liberation and some major german papers say he was killed through a detonation on some suicide mission. news came in about 2 hrs ago. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:45:4926:5F7D:9184:2742:A5AC:C2F6 (talk) 13:39, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Again it is unclear if he actually died in the bombing. His death has been reported on earlier occasions and proven wrong later. werldwayd (talk) 15:27, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Many sources say it now. FunkMonk (talk) 15:34, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
 * twitter - about an hour ago -

Retweeted by Shiraz Maher مناصر المجا ‏@AbuHamzaDK · 1 hr  German #ISIS Jihadis in #Syria deny death of Denis Cuspert AKA Abu Talha al Almani. Instead two other German Jihadis were killed Sayerslle (talk) 16:58, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Aww, too bad. Anyway, we need reliable sources for that, not Twitter. FunkMonk (talk) 17:03, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Here we go again. Apparently there is no end to speculation this way or that. I believe Wikipedia notes about his death should be reversed until full confirmation. We are not in a hurry you know. When death is conformed for sure, we can reinstate it back. werldwayd (talk) 17:35, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

ISIL denies death of Deso Dogg to the national German paper Dier Welt. Here is the new news item: http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article127187421/Verwirrung-ueber-Deso-Doggs-angeblichen-Tod.html "Verwirrung über "Deso Doggs" angeblichen Tod - Dschihadisten meldeten zunächst den Tod von Denis Cuspert in Syrien. Der Berliner Ex-Rapper "Deso Dogg" kämpft im Bürgerkrieg. Doch dann dementieren Islamisten: Es handele sich um eine Verwechslung." meaning "Confusion about "Deso Dogg" alleged death - Jihadists initially reported the death of Denis Cuspert in Syria. The Berlin ex-rapper "Deso Dogg" fighting in the Civil War. But then Islamists denied: It was a mistake! . Here another source: From LiveLeak: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f5a_1398185410 World shocked: ISIL denied death of Deso Dogg Another denial frm BZ Berlin based on AbuHamzaDK messages and contacts with German press http://www.bz-berlin.de/aktuell/berlin/berliner-salafist-denis-cuspert-angeblich-tot-article1831976.html where it is mentioned that it was a mistaken identity and Abu Talha al Almani was somewhere else. werldwayd (talk) 00:19, 23 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Man's dead: Confimation here and for those who speak Portuguese see here.FraLiss (talk) 05:58, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
 * He has been reported alive since those stories, also he has continued to tweet. Gazkthul (talk) 08:19, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Not dead: Obviously he has used his Twitter account recently and is therefore not dead.FraLiss (talk) 16:06, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Could some-one with the language skills edit the Arabic and Persian versions of this page to reflect this ? --Racklever (talk) 16:17, 24 April 2014 (UTC)


 * I have now re-edited the Arabic and Persian pages removing the paragraph about the death and the related death category werldwayd (talk) 17:11, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

There is still confusion and denials of his death. see for example yet another source denying his death: http://www.general-anzeiger-bonn.de/bonn/themen/islamistenhochburg-bonn/deutscher-dschihadist-dementiert-nachricht-ueber-seinen-tod-article1332894.html with the title "Deutscher Dschihadist dementiert Nachricht über seinen Tod" werldwayd (talk) 02:32, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * The Czech Wiki article needs updating too. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 13:58, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 11 February 2015

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The result of the move request was: moved. Number   5  7  12:58, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Deso Dogg → Denis Cuspert – He has used multiple aliases. He has been "Deso Dogg" for music career. He hasn't made an album since 2009. He changed his name to Abou Maleeq and to Abu Talha Al-Almani for his radical Islamic ideologies and joining groups that are considered "terrorists". No matter whether sources used both names or more, he has been referred as "Cuspert" throughout many articles. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 05:47, 18 February 2015 (UTC) George Ho (talk) 09:21, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Support - Deso Dogg is not the primary name that he is known by these days, it should be updated with Deso Dogg being mentioned in the article. Gazkthul (talk) 04:09, 19 February 2015 (UTC)


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Official background info
... can be found here http://www.un.org/press/en/2015/sc11774.doc.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:45:4958:D7CF:5DB6:2805:2F6D:52E2 (talk) 17:54, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Not quite dead yet?
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/islamischer-staat-denis-cuspert-deso-dogg-ist-moeglicherweise-am-leben-a-1063393.html

for what its worth, he has featured in a few videos released after his death not clear exactly when they were filmed so he could still be dead but, who knows

UPDATE: german officials again saying deso dogg is not dead

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/06/15/rapper-isis-poster-boy-likely-cheated-death-despite-pentagon-report-say-german-officials.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.112.144.10 (talk) 20:52, 17 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes, there are now enough sources questioning the original reports of his death. Since there is no proof he died but some anonymous sources, and now other anonymous sources claim that he is still alive, I think enough doubt exists to modify the article to reflect his current status to something akin to a Schrodinger cat... Cheers! Meishern (talk) 07:11, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

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"36 boys" myth debunking
"The 36 Boys got in violent confrontations with neo-Nazi gangs." Source is what?? No, there is no source for this. The criminal immigrant gang 36 boys competed against other criminal immigrant gangs, never and not even once against any neo-nazi gang as there were no neo-nazi street gangs existing on the Berlin streets during the time mentioned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.68.237.170 (talk) 17:52, 15 April 2019 (UTC)