Talk:Denise Fox

Murder
dose anyone know when Lucas will TRY to murder his wife Denise.--Sheep 2009 (talk) 19:23, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * This isn't a forum. Try looking up the spoiler pages on Digital Spy or something. Anemone  Projectors  20:03, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

That user never said it was a forum nor did they imply that it was! Brianwazere 23:45, 27 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes but this page is for improving the article not discussing EastEnders. That's what forums are for, so the user was using it as if it were a forum. Anemone  Projectors  23:48, 27 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Well there is nothing wrong with answering questions for them which could relate to an article Brianwazere 23:49, 27 June 2010 (UTC)


 * No, they should go elsewhere for that. There are plenty of actual forums dedicated to EastEnders. Anemone  Projectors  23:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Well all im saying is that you could have handled the situation better! Brianwazere 23:56, 27 June 2010 (UTC)


 * No I handled it correctly because Wikipedia is not a forum. Anemone  Projectors  00:01, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

OH MY! DENISE is ALIVE AND IN THE BASEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I REALLY DON'T LIKE LUCAS. AT LEAST HE DIDNT KILL HER I GUESS, AT LEAST HE IS FEEDING HER. I REALLY OPE SOMEONE FINDS HHER SOON!!!!!!!!! I AM GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SPOILER PAGES TO FIND OUT. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.137.53.153 (talk) 19:49, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Infobox edits
OK, people recently keep trying to change the infobox "years" field to read "2006-10". Now I don't know about anyone else but I have not read anywhere that Diane Parish is planning to leave EastEnders. So therefore I think that the field should carry on reading "2006-" unless a source becomes available that states otherwise. I know we changed Lauren Branning's infobox but that was different, there were reliable sources that stated Madeline had left. The page is starting to resemble an edit war now. The box should read "2006-" unless we have a reliable source stating that she leaves. Thoughts? --5 albert square (talk) 23:28, 27 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Ya but sometimes they kill off characters suddenly without anyone knowing the actor has quit/left for example when Danielle Jones was killed off no one knew that her actrees was leaving before hand, so it could be the same with Denise Wicks Brianwazere 23:44, 27 June 2010 (UTC)


 * In this case, a source says Patrick visits a canal where Denise's body was found. This doesn't mean it was her dead body. Also, a previous spoiler says Lucas picks up a prostitute who looks like Denise. So it's probably a case of mistaken identity. When the location pictures leaked months ago, it was reported that Lucas would try to drown Denise, but then Don Gilet said something about looks can be deceiving. Anemone  Projectors  23:46, 27 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Thats irrelevant! Brianwazere 23:47, 27 June 2010 (UTC)


 * How? Anemone  Projectors  23:48, 27 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Also "it could be the same with Denise" is guessing, WP:CRYSTAL. Anemone  Projectors  23:49, 27 June 2010 (UTC)


 * What has prostitutes and false identity got to do with this, this discussion is about The duration changing of the character! not storylines! Brianwazere 23:51, 27 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Because if it's not Denise's body then it's not Denise who's died. Anemone  Projectors  23:53, 27 June 2010 (UTC)


 * No one predicted like a crystal ball only you! Brianwazere 23:54, 27 June 2010 (UTC)


 * You said something could happen. That's predicting. Let's get back to the subject in hand though. Anemone  Projectors  23:58, 27 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Show me a source involving a prostitute looking like denise! Brianwazere 23:55, 27 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok give me a few minutes. Anemone  Projectors  23:58, 27 June 2010 (UTC)


 * here's one --5 albert square (talk) 00:03, 28 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Original story saying Lucas tries to kill Denise
 * Don Gilet says the camera can lie (direct response to the above story)
 * Upcoming episode where he finds a prostitute who looks like Denise Anemone  Projectors  00:08, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * If Denise (or Diane's) departure has not been reported then it cannot be added to the article, since there is no source available to back it up. You would have to wait until she's actually seen leaving on-screen before adding a departure date. Now, doesn't speculation of a character's departure without a source fall under WP:OR too? - JuneGloom07    Talk?  16:59, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes it does. Since there is no source saying Diane Parish is leaving, we cannot say she is leaving. And in reply to an earlier comment, this isn't just about the dates in the infobox, it's about the character leaving or not leaving (when Brian said my comment was irrelevant because it was nothing to do with the infobox dates). Anemone  Projectors  19:44, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Ya alright man no need to be like that, no need to bring my name up he/she can read for themselves Brianwazere 19:36, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No need to be like what? I was basically expanding on my answer to you. Anemone  Projectors  19:48, 29 June 2010 (UTC)


 * What about the new spoilers on Digitalspy r they not good enough references to say she will be killed off?, Brianwazere 19:50, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No, a plot synopsis isn't good enough to say Diane Parish is leaving. Besides, neither of those say Denise dies. Anemone  Projectors  19:53, 29 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Read it again then!, look knowing you even if they did find her dead body on an episode next week you still wouldn't add it to the article, i suppose she would be a present dead regular who hasn't left the soap!Brianwazere 20:00, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I already read it, it doesn't say Denise dies. As there has been no announcement that Diane Parish is leaving, I don't think we should take it she's dead even when these episodes have broadcast. She could make a recovery in hospital or end up in a coma. Anemone  Projectors  20:31, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Granted it does say that Patrick mourns Denise's death, but that still doesn't mean that she does die. That's probably what the writers want us to think, however it may well be that he murders the prostitute that looks like Denise --5 albert square (talk) 21:03, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes. Because there has been no announcement that Parish is leaving, we should wait and see what happens in the show, or wait for further episode details to emerge. Anemone  Projectors  21:18, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

The article could probably stand to make some mention of the storyline, given that there's so little OOU information atm. Eg, "In May 2010, media and entertainment website Digital Spy reported that Denise would die, blah blah. Gilet responded that, "Blah." Soap magazine What's on TV indicated that Lucas would be seen to drive Denise into a canal, arranging the incident to look like a suicide."

Then when/if it transpires to be a looky-likey, we can just throw in an "In the event, it transpired that blah..." Only has to be a sentence or two, and will at least kickstart some "Development" - and in the meantime might dissuade IP editors from adding that Lucas is about to Avada Kedavra her. Frickative 21:36, 29 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Well maybe. But nobody has reported that Denise will die. And it's all in-universe information, isn't it? Anemone  Projectors  21:50, 29 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Then replace "die" with "be attacked by Lucas". The Gilet interview isn't IU coverage, and there's commentary from Parish here. Frickative  21:55, 29 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Good idea then. Anemone  Projectors  22:33, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Isn't it pretty obvious to know whether she is murdered? Think about it and it'll come to you. But if not then really you should be kicking yourselves. Is she filming in EastEnders currently? IF she is then by golly she's still in it, because they're filming episodes for August for Christ's sakes, however, if she isn't then, that could simply mean she's just not in a few episodes, like for example, the Masoods haven't been seen for a small while, yet they're still "in" the soap.--The Ultimate Koopa (talk) 21:15, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm with you but how are we supposed to know who is and who isn't filming currently? Anemone  Projectors  21:41, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

By the way I had a few more thoughts on this subject. If Diane Parish was leaving but they didn't want us to know, they wouldn't be putting spoilers on the BBC Press Office site. Also, Patrick may believe Denise has died because, as Denise's next of kin, Lucas positively identifies her body (knowing that it is actually not her). That is of course speculation, but another possibility. Anemone Projectors  14:04, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Shall we just wait for the actual episode and then make a decision on whether her death is real or not? If it is deliberately 'mysterious' then we could not change it until there is hard evidence - but if it is very obvious she died e.g: we see her being stabbed or whatever, then we can list her as dead? Alex250P (talk) 12:19, 4 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, I think we are all waiting to see the actual episode so we can be sure. Anemone  Projectors  20:21, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

So let me just get this straight. "While Walford tries to come to terms with Denise's death" ... Lucas identifies Denise's body. Patrick mourns Denise's death, etc... there's so many sources that state that "Denise dies". But is this going to be another "Den Watts" type 'death', where she appears like 15 years later as an old age pensioner? —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Ultimate Koopa (talk • contribs)


 * No, it won't be that long. They all mourn her death because Lucas identifies a body. Then "While Walford tries to come to terms with Denise's death, Lucas has to fight for the truth to remain hidden." The truth probably being that it wasn't Denise. Wait for these episodes to air. Anemone  Projectors  01:14, 6 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes but we see her body getting pulled out of the canal so its obviously Denise body and phone and car so the police will know has well.--Sheep 2009 (talk) 16:56, 7 July 2010 (UTC)


 * How do we know it's her body? Anemone  Projectors  18:44, 7 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't know if this has any significance, but in Last night's episode, she has purple nail varnish on but in tonight's episode, the body had bight pink nail varnish. Don't know if this helps? GSorby (talk) 19:35, 9 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Really well spotted!!! Thank you. Anemone  Projectors  20:05, 9 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I also noticed, Although the body was brown skinned, it may have some significance. Because Lucas was parked on the side of the road and a brown skinned prostitute came up and asked him for company. Maybe her? GSorby (talk) 21:51, 9 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes we've already said that it could have been the prostitute who looks similar to Denise. Anemone  Projectors  23:03, 9 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh Ok. I am trying to give as much info as possible and and just saw that part. Will let you know if I see anything else. GSorby (talk) 23:24, 9 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I think what Sharon Marshall said (below) is practically confirmation that Denise hasn't died. Anemone  Projectors  23:40, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

New source of information
Sharon Marshall on This Morning has just hinted very strongly that it is not Denise's body that is pulled from the canal - she said a body is pulled from the canal and it is identified as Denise, but then she said there are lots of "clues and twists". She has seen the episodes. Anemone Projectors  11:23, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Tonight's episode did not show Denise dead, so still no confirmation that she is. Anemone  Projectors  19:29, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Today again Sharon Marshall said there were "twists and turns". I may add this, using cite episode. Anemone  Projectors  20:05, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Denise's body identified as dead, please update.
Hi there (namely AnemoneProjectors & 5 albert square),

I don't want to be rude but I'm getting increasingly frustrated with power-mad actions when updating Wikipedia pages. It's quite clear Denise has been killed in an episode similar to that of Danielle.

Please unprotect the page and update the page to reflect her death and stop abusing your rights as Wikipedians. If you want further evidence she actually died, then read this:-

http://uk.tv.yahoo.com/blog/article/429804/soaps-preview-1216-july.html

This article clearly says her dead body has been identified so please add this to the article as further evidence she has been killed (or might have been killed) rather than prohibit others from editing an open page because you have read a dated article on Digital Spy and don't believe she has been.

If you are really that adamant she hasn't died, at least source this information for people visiting the page as I expected more discussion on it and it's been prohibited by (respectfully) over-eager editors.

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stueydessler (talk • contribs) 06:48, 10 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi, yes it says that Lucas identifies the corpse as Denise, however how do you know that he doesn't wrongly identify it? Remember the prostitute that looked like Denise?  How do you know it's not her that he's killed?


 * When you saw the hand last night, I'm sure that the hand was wearing a different nail varnish colour to that of Denise. Personally I wouldn't unprotect the page at the moment and I also wouldn't update it to say that she's died because as of yet there's still no proof!  If at some point the BBC show the corpse in a scene and it is Denise then the page can then be updated, however given that Lucas has taken to killing prostitutes I'm willing to believe that the prostitute has died, not Denise.  Someone put this thought on my friends EastEnders forum before, maybe Denise escaped and is living with Jade?  Possible.  --5 albert square (talk) 08:22, 10 July 2010 (UTC)


 * See the above discussions, thanks. Anemone  Projectors  09:41, 10 July 2010 (UTC)


 * The nail varnish colour was not too different, but I could clearly see that it was different. I say we wait until we see her and actually HER face.GSorby (talk) 16:04, 10 July 2010 (UTC)


 * We'll never see the face of the deceased. Then in about 3 or 4 weeks Denise will turn up, alive and well. Anemone  Projectors  19:23, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

"Was the body dragged from the canal really Denise? Lucas is off to identify it – but can we trust him?" - Probably too minor to be worth including anywhere, but just thought I'd add it in here as the first RS print source I've seen commenting on the fact that Lucas' word is hardly gospel. Frickative 02:00, 12 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Note that we did not see the face of the person Lucas identified as Denise. Anemone  Projectors  19:42, 12 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Tbh AnemoneProjectors, you shouldn't have to keep justifying yourself over this one, bottom line is it would need official confirmation of her departure... there isn't any. As for the ep it's self, I'm sure all avid viewers will suspect Lucas is pulling a fast one. RAIN the ONE  (Talk) 20:15, 12 July 2010 (UTC)


 * You'd be surprised. I had someone message me on Twitter after the episode saying "I thought you said Denise wasn't dead!" I'm just making sure people reading this page know all the details. Anemone  Projectors  20:25, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Off screen deaths
So why does Rosa di Marco's page say she's dead? oh and Frank Butcher... oh wait, and Reg Cox too. Oh yes and Mark Fowler, Cindy Beale, Kathy Mitchell... these characters aren't dead. I mean, yes someone said they were dead on the show but Lucas has said Denise is dead? So why is it one rule for one and another for everyone else?

As far as the show suggests up to this present time, the character is dead. Up until 2003, Den Watts was on here as dead. Nobody said "but wait, Julia Smith removed her name from the credits after the final shot was removed, so regardless of what websites say about him being dead, leave him as alive until the BBC confirm otherwise". You tuned into EastEnders last night; the characters (who recite a script, written by the BBC) say Denise is dead. This is for me, confirmation that Denise is dead. Until the episode shows Denise walking/speaking, then I clasify her as dead as this is what the show is asking us to believe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eefan (talk • contribs) 18:06, 13 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Those characters all died. See the above discussions for why we are not saying Denise is dead! Anemone  Projectors  18:15, 13 July 2010 (UTC)


 * My point however, is how do you know they died when you only have another characters word as source? Den Watts was speculatively alive for his 14 year absence yet Wikipedia didn't list him as still appearing in the show. Like someone else has said, stop abusing your position as a Wikipedian to invent rules in favour of your desirable actions. If you thought Denise was dead, I'm sure you'd be the first to list her as deceased "until the BBC confirm otherwise". Have you not thought that listing her as alive could spoil it for viewers who believe she is dead? Eefan (talk • contribs) 18:06, 13 July 2010 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.2.193.6 (talk)


 * Look, we've had no official confirmation that Diane Parish has left the show and storylines do not confirm her death. Den Watts returned in September 2003, before there was a Wikipedia article about him, so Wikipedia did no such thing. Nobody is inventing rules. We are following the existing guidelines of WP:V and WP:RS amongst others. Anemone  Projectors  19:26, 13 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Just to back up what Anemone has already said. When Den Watts left the first time, if Wikipedia had been around then, he would have been marked as a departing character because there were newspaper reports saying that Leslie Grantham had left the show and nothing to indicate any recast.  How were we supposed to know that 14 years later the BBC would change their mind and tinker with the storyline so he was alive again?!  As it is nobody, not the BBC (including the Press Office), newspapers, magazines or websites are saying that Parish has left.  I know they don't always announce departures, but I'm fairly certain that the BBC would announce something for Parish.  I'm willing to bet that the body will be that of the prostitute that reminded Lucas of her --5 albert square (talk) 20:30, 13 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Another point I just think is worth mentioning. I've seen a few reports about the complaints that have been received and they're all saying stuff like "Lucas seemingly strangled Denise" or "Lucas attacked Denise" - none are saying he killed her. And these reports are being made by people who probably know the truth but are not allowed to say. Anemone  Projectors  20:15, 14 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, the BBC are being very tight-lipped on this storyline and very careful on how they're wording everything. It's like when they axed Melissa Suffield, they were very careful then not to mention anything about the characters future and look what happened there --5 albert square (talk) 20:45, 14 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes it is exactly like that. But The Sun, for example, said "Last week he attacked his new wife Denise." Not killed, attacked. So not just the BBC. Anemone  Projectors  21:46, 14 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Yup I've got a friend that works in the media and she gets spoilers direct from the BBC. She's apparently been asked by the BBC not to reveal Denise's fate, so like I say the BBC are being extremely tight-lipped about the whole storyline, not surprising given the size of the storyline, the build up and the inevitable aftermath.  So if they're being so tight-lipped about the storyline they're hardly going to be shouting from the rooftops at Elstree whether or not Diane Parish is on set!  It's all part of the build up of the storyline :) --5 albert square (talk) 22:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Not sure you were supposed to actually say that lol. If Denise is dead, there would be no reason to be tight-lipped and to ask people not to reveal Denise's fate. Like when Sam's return at Christmas was kept under wraps, Denise is unlikely to be listed in the credits on the BBC Programmes site as well for any future episode she appears in until it has aired. Anemone  Projectors  22:27, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Told you she was alive. Anemone Projectors  19:30, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It was so obvious anyway, I didn't get everyone's above comlaints. Lol.. RAIN the ONE  (Talk) 19:35, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

So where has she been?
This interview was released immediately after the episode, and it says "That aside, with Denise alive - and having been imprisoned next to her house for four weeks - where does this leave Lucas?" Does this mean she was next door? I noticed that the house next door was boarded up at the start of the episode. Anemone Projectors  19:49, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I realised after I remembered the boarded up house I didn't need to ask this and have gone ahead and said he was next door, using the source. Anemone  Projectors  19:58, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Common Name
As Denise was always known as Fox, should the article name be called Denise Fox per WP:COMMONNAME? -- GSorby  Chat with Me! 18:44, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, in my opinion.  GunGagdin Moan 19:03, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree as well. She said she was going to changed her name again after Lucas went down but nothing seems to have happened. I assume she'd go back to Fox. But regardless, I still think we should move this. Anemone  Projectors  19:11, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Whenever you're ready AP :-) -- GSorby  Chat with Me! 20:32, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * lol done Anemone  Projectors  20:40, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Lol I just got edit conflicted by the page moving, but FWIW:
 * '"Denise Fox" EastEnders' - GHits 9,940, GNews 18
 * '"Denise Johnson" EastEnders' - GHits 21,600, GNews 16
 * '"Denise Wicks" EastEnders' - GHits 6,900, GNews 17. Frickative  20:41, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Does that include Wikipedia and all its mirrors? :) Anemone  Projectors  20:44, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yep, because I'm dumb and totally forgot to dis-include them! I'd say GNews hits are more important anyway though, and although it's close Fox is most prevalent so s'cool :) Frickative  20:52, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Phew! Anemone  Projectors  20:57, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Name Changing
According to the Radio Times, Denise is now being credited under her maiden name "Fox" so this should be changed back in the article. She has also divorced Lucas so the marriage dates need to be changed to say the following: (2009-2011). I also think Jordan should be taken off the list of Denise's family as he was only related to her by marriage and I believe that the family charts can be kept simple by just adding blood relatives as Lucas and Denise are now divorced so she is not related to Jordan anymore. Tomjovanovic, 11:32, 12 March 2011
 * Let's give it some time. I think we should wait till she's actually credited as "Denise Fox" in the credits.  GSorby  Chat with Me! 12:55, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
 * She only just applied for divorce. It takes about 6 weeks for a decree absolute, which is the only thing that officially ends the marriage. – Anemone Projectors – 13:38, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Infobox
I reverted the removal of nowrap to the infobox and have edited the template to remove nowrap from the "spin-off appearances" line, so that the text won't be pushed to the right so much. If it hasn't updated yet, try saving the page without making changes. – Anemone Projectors – 17:44, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

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Including Emerald, Kim etc. on Denise's page
Hey,

We've discovered Denise isn't Emerald Fox's biological daughter, but the subject of an adoption hasn't yet been brough up, so really we have no clue yet about how Denise was put with Emerald or if it was just talk to get the characters of Denise and Kim to talk and if they're related another way e.g. Zoe and Kat.

I have discussed this with a couple of other users, but I'm moving the conversation here for others to add their opinion. At the moment, I think Emerald and her half-sisters, as well as Pearl, should remain and likewise for the other pages. For one, for the 7 years prior to that scene, Denise and Kim have been shown as sisters and it's changed in a matter of lines.

It's a bit like when a character marries. We don't change the page name, we put also instead of née/né because we maintain a certain name is what they've been known by the longest and that we can go back to watch old episodes to see them by a different name e.g. we can easily go and watch or read something from 2007 when Denise was Denise Wicks and then watch yesterday's episode, where she's Denise Fox. It's the same with the revealation regarding Denise and Kim's relationship-we can just go back and watch episodes where they were half-sisters.

As yet, we're not sure what will happen, but I do think at present they should stay on each other's pages. As with Libby, Chelsea and Pearl, they've known Kim and Denise onscreen as their respective aunts and each other as cousins. I know it's not preferred by some not going beyond parents and siblings for adopted relatives, but sometimes, they have more, or an equal role in a characters storylines. It should depend on closeness and the Foxes aren't a really big family unit on the show, compared to the Beales or Brannings.

Thanks, Grangehilllover (talk) 11:06, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I think they should stay in the infoboxes, even if listed as adoptive. But doing it for Denise shouldn't mean we go ahead and list all Whitney and Bobby's adoptive relatives in the same way, as it's a special case. I haven't seen the episode yet but I'm guessing we don't know the full situation and it could still be a lie. Leaving the family in the infobox would help those who are watching in the USA where they are a few years behind the UK, and other countries that are weeks or months behind, or people in the UK up to 30 days behind, watching on iPlayer. anemone  projectors  11:39, 8 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi,
 * That's a good point about international viewers.


 * But so you know, I agree with what you say about others. Whitney has more of a friendship with Bianca's cousins than a relationship, but it's more of the older characters who've shown to care for her, like Pat, Carol and David, Max etc. in the same way as Liam, Tiffany and Morgan. The Beales-she's connected through Bianca, but Ian's side have never been as close to Bianca because of David helping Cindy flee. And not listing far fetched, totally mind boggling relationships, like Dot, as adoptive-step-great-grandmother. And with Bobby, his adoption was more of a story for Ian and Jane, than him and I don't think we've really seen a real notable connection with Linda and Christian, mainly because of Bobby's age and the attack on Jane was, well, focused on Jane.


 * It's because we've known Whitney and Bobby are adopted by their respective parents and we saw Bobby's happen on screen. It's just with the way Denise's story is.


 * Grangehilllover (talk) 13:30, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree with you there. Anyway I've just seen the episode, and it seems that Denise was brought to Emerald as a newborn, perhaps having been abandoned somewhere (we don't know that part) and Emerald felt she had no choice but to raise the child. Do we know which country this was in? Anyway, I would say we need to leave in all the family, and should include the adoptive part in the infobox. anemone  projectors  16:05, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

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Cviil partnership
Denise and Jack are not married. They are civil partners.--86.134.136.188 (talk) 07:50, 30 December 2021 (UTC)