Talk:Discipline

Removed Hebrew translation
I have removed the following sentence:

"The Hebrew noun mu·sar′ and the verb form ya·sar′ convey the sense of “discipline,” “chastisement,” “correction,” “exhortation.” [1]"

A simple translation in Hebrew of the term "discipline" seems irrelevant to the English Wikipedia. Is there a suggestion that the meaning and customs related to discipline as commonly understood in the English language are somehow derived from Hebrew? The etimology of the English term is obviously Latin (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disciplina )

Showing of integrity
i'm laughing irl over how fucking bad this article is

I removed this tripe: "Discipline is the showing of integrity by following the rules, even if, in some cases, it would be easier, at least in the short term, to not follow the rules."

I dispute the assertion that "discipline" is "also a Mormon word for love". I am a long-standing Mormon, and have never heard this before. I think it needs to be removed. Mormonchess 02:36, 12 October 2005 (UTC)Mormonchess


 * no one lack discipline? In what sense?  This seems to abandon both a neutral point of view and connection with sources, facts, and reasoned analysis.  Which people?  What discipline?

Some reference should also be made to trades as most types of professional practice can be referred to as disciplines which is a variant of the primary connotation. -- M0llusk 03:11, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Delete
I tried to fix the intro but the rest of the article is total garbage. Sounds like someone trying to convince themselves more than anything. Not encyclopedic in any way.--Fecknuts (talk) 09:01, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Military discipline
The discipline is a word that sounds sooo niceέ$\langle⟨⟩\rangle$
 * ✅ Brett Johnston (talk) 02:08, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Objectivity
The link Is that the best you can do? isn't very objective. It just boils down to Discipline is good, a lack of discipline is bad. Hackwrench 06:32, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Disambiguation
There is a link in the first sentence that points to the Develompent disambiguation page: ("...produces moral or mental development..."). I'm trying to fix such links, but am unsure as to which of the variety of uses of Development is most appropriate here. Could someone check this out and edit the sentence and/or the link to point directly at a more relevant page? Thanks. Chidom 03:05, 25 July 2006 (UTC) Since I didn't get a response; I'll just remove the link for now. Thanks. &mdash; Chidom   talk   06:28, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Request a link
The Tufts University Child and Family WebGuide is a good discipline resource. http://www.cfw.tufts.edu/topic/2/27.htm

The WebGuide is a directory that evaluates, describes and provides links to hundreds of sites containing child development research and practical advice. The WebGuide, a not-for-profit resource, was based on parent and professional feedback, as well as support from such noted child development experts as David Elkind, Edward Zigler, and the late Fred Rogers. Topics cover all ages, from early child development through adolescence. The WebGuide selects sites that have the highest quality child development research and that are parent friendly.

The discipline page of this site includes articles containing extensive research and worthwhile advice on various forms of child discipline within the family and the classroom. Useful articles suggest ways to discipline a child, including forms of child discipline and safe measures for parents to take to control their children. Teamme 15:46, 23 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the link, but, should parents try to 'take control of their children'? Apwith (talk) 18:15, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

No References
Added an unreferenced tag due to there being no references. MastaFighta (talk) 02:42, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

discpline to me is like when u follow gigglguligyge hgilu glk Superscript textSubscript text —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.150.198.2 (talk) 00:13, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

misspelled obedience on line 1
In the quote on the first line of the main body (under "usage"), obedience is spelled with two o's. It's so obvious that I suspect vandalism. I would just quietly correct it, but I enjoy the irony so I'll let someone with less of a sense of humor set it all aright. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.201.24.136 (talk) 16:24, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Sport discipline
This article also need information about sport discipline. --Kslotte (talk) 11:26, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Is their such a thing as Sport Discipline? Dark Fire  II13  13:14, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

This Must be Improved or Removed
This is an absolutely abysmal entry. It is full to the brim with grammar mistakes, poor writing, and editorializing. A list of "summary notes, taken many years ago"? A random, unexplained picture of a samurai with a vague and awkward caption? The opening five paragraphs are a mess. It reminds me of opinions expressed in a high school essay or on a personal website. Perhaps I am being overly harsh, but I have come to expect better from Wikipedia. 67.183.129.236 (talk) 07:58, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

I agree. How do we make it better?--Deus Et Machina (talk) 22:52, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Education of the Will
The Education of the Will section is pretty terrible. I'm not sure what it's even supposed to be. Is that list quoted? It isn't sourced, and it's not clear whether it's a direct quote or not. I've been copy editing this article, so I did some copy editing within it, although I shouldn't have if it is indeed a quote. To be honest I don't think the section should even be there. Thoughts? Spock of Vulcan (talk) 06:28, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Military discipline section
The section on military discipline definitely has problems. I'm not the best at diagnosing these things, but I'd call it POV. I removed a couple of sentences that were clearly unencyclopaedic and could be easily removed, but the rest is a bit trickier. There's a whole paragraph that basically says military discipline is better than "civilian discipline", which I think could be removed altogether. Thoughts? Spock of Vulcan (talk) 06:30, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It got worse since you looked at it: this is nothing but original research, enlisting the Gospel of Matthew into the function and enforcement of military discipline. Drmies (talk) 00:51, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Eek, I see what you're saying. The whole last paragraph of that section is pretty questionable, what with all that talk of being "good for nothing but to be trampled on" being back, which I'd taken out before. As for the part about civilian orders, I'm not sure I even understand it. Does that mean police officers? Because they can put you in jail, and that's a lot more than a "verbal reprimand". Or does it mean employers? That should be clarified. Spock of Vulcan (talk) 18:28, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

"child discipline"
Material removed here was not verified to RS, and was largely inaccurate anyway (it is not just in "christian homes" (sic) that children get spanked). Moreschi (talk) 13:31, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Usage
In the Usage section, where did these two lines come from? They look like editing errors or worse:

Military discipline
69.19.238.101 (talk) 00:00, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

"self-discipline is the development of you're mind to prepare you're self in any of you're work and prepare you're mind towards it, and having determination of 'i can do it" -Harshith.B.M. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.151.208.106 (talk) 13:21, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Importance of discipline ( By Mohammed Fayiz)
Name:Mohammed Fayiz Class:VII-B

Discipline is vital to every living being. For man it is even more important like the spinal column. Without discipline mankind will be ruined.

Discipline means the observance of certain well-defined rules. Without such regulation it is not possible to maintain humanness. Such regulation contributes to the glory of human existence.

Discipline cannot be acquired from books. Nor can it be learnt from teachers. It has to be as natural component of one's daily life in the discharge of one's duties. Discipline is essential from the moment of waking to the time of going to sleep.

 Discipline is essential in everyday life 

Discipline is essential for every group, for every society and for every political institution. Without discipline there can be no society or Government. No nation can exist without discipline. It is discipline that unites man to man, and one society to another. Hence discipline is one of the basic insignia of social life.

Discipline has to be observed in speech, in sport and in every kind of relationship. For instance, during bhajans, all those singing in chorus have to maintain the same tune. Discordant singing will jar on the ears. Singing in unison in bhajans is a form of discipline.

In games, you have an umpire to enforce the rules of the game. Every player has to observe the rules strictly. Sometimes while playing, in their enthusiasm, the players fall to observe the rules. The umpire, however, sees to it that the rules are enforced and the players have to obey him implicitly. Any player who does not obey will be violating the rules of the game.

Today it is because people do not observe the rules, whether in sports or elsewhere, life has become intolerable. Some persons hold positions of authority in business, in administration or in other institutions. Here also discipline is essential, dust because one holds an office, he cannot behave as he likes. He cannot be free with his tongue. In his words and his writings he should observe restraint. In the use of words, whether in speech or writing, care should be observed regarding their future implications. Your discipline will protect you in whatever you do. Even in a simple matter like walking on the road, many do not observe the rules. They choose to walk on the middle of the road instead of using the pavement. Jaywalking on the road is not only harmful to oneself but is a hindrance to others. Your motto in life should be: Help ever; hurt never.

Discipline must start from the early years, But it is needed not only by students but by elders and all persons in authority.

Students should learn the right way of doing things even in ordinary actions like sitting or reading. They should sit erect and keep the spinal column straight. This enables the Kundalini shakthi (coiled energy) to move up from the base of the spine--Muulaadhaara--to the top of the head. Sahasraara---through the vertebral column. This movement takes place during the yogic — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.59.180.123 (talk) 16:38, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Some good literature here, at least far better than "willpower theory" you see on the article. Maybe you should consider editing the article by yourself (next time)? --14.198.220.253 (talk) 08:16, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Oh my gods... Jay for 'everyone is a wiki-editor' I guess?? Where to start? Whatever... be sure to sit up straight now boys n girls or your muladhara won't touch your sahashara and that is a BAD thing. You're never going to be a yogic when you slouch. Anyways, can someone with better wiki-fu please remove the bit that says 'discipline is considered a path to success in most cultures' because hey.. Anyways, not going to call for censorship but it would be nice if SineBot would restrict themselves to topics concerning the Kundalini and straight posture. Never mind about the jaywalking bit, I'm against jay-walking myself. Also all for helping old people across the street, but that's neither here nor there. Thanks!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.211.115.30 (talk) 23:03, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

What the why is my comment signed by that -ing SineBot? Can someone please put that bot out of MY misery? It's a troll, that's what it is! And while we are at it, can we purlease lose the pic of the heroic samurai? Why not have a pic of King Arthur looking wistfully in the distance? Better yet, no pic at all!! You might wonder if I'm a bit mad? Well, I am!! -ing troll. I'm pretty sure SineBot will be effing autsigning this as well, so eff you bloody bot! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.211.115.30 (talk) 23:13, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * 87.211.115.30 why don't you do it by yourself? Now i am removing "discipline is considered a path to success in most cultures" --14.198.220.253 (talk) 08:16, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Practice makes perfect?
I think it can be somehow included as an example. --14.198.220.253 (talk) 10:12, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Discipline
It is very good thing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.62.234.99 (talk) 07:09, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

The page had become a stub
The page read like a weird guidebook stub for 'moral discipline'. I have rewritten it to include a lot more, which is written with an open-mind for future challenges. At the moment, this has created a page without any references due to quick research on other pages. Help with the references would be appreciated if the changes are received without revert.

The redirection of disciplinarians to this page had no reasoning so I added that into a history section briefly. This also requires more to be added. Brett Johnston (talk) 02:21, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Lead image
The picture promotes racial stereotypes and editorializes a personal opinion not cited to a source, and even if it is, it should still be removed as no opinion should be put forward as objective truth.Lobeveeps (talk) 03:51, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
 * This image was added by User:Lotje in 2010, and has been uncontroversial in its presence here for eight years, through hundreds of by dozens of editors. I don't see how there is any problem that would be solved by replacing the image with one of a white guy. If the article was substantially expanded, it would have enough text that a second picture would provide balance, but I would oppose either removing this image, or changing it out for one depicting an ethnicity/culture that is already overrepresented in the encyclopedia. bd2412  T 11:40, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
 * , would an image of military discipline be okay to add? Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 15:22, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I think the article would benefit from more text before more images are added. bd2412  T 16:45, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I support Lotje's addition along with a removal of the current image.Lobeveeps (talk) 00:36, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Lotje has not proposed to remove the current image. You could ask them directly if they support that. bd2412  T 02:37, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Whatever happens, we do not want John the Baptist, which Lobeveeps has been spamming in various inappropriate places, always as the lead pic. Most of his edits (all 3 days worth) seem to involve quirky choices of lead pics, that will only puzzle the reader - see Performance art and its talk. Johnbod (talk) 13:12, 20 April 2018 (UTC)


 * I agree. We already have a bit of an over-representation white male Judeo-Christian iconography in the encyclopedia, and there is no need for any editor to try and impose more of that with illustrations of questionable relevance. I have previously given Lobeveeps a block for edit warring over this at Performance art. bd2412  T 13:48, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Guys, this section is about removing the current image, and let's focus on that.Lobeveeps (talk) 00:46, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * The image situation with this article is not necessarily an isolated function, but can reasonably be considered in light of the continuing over-representation of European-looking males from majoritarian cultures of that region in what is supposed to be a worldwide encyclopedia. Did you know that the country in the world with the most English-speaking people is India? In any case, I see no other editors agreeing with your initial proposal, and I am doubtful that a consensus will arise to that effect. bd2412  T 01:46, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Self-Discipline
The self-discipline section of the article makes very little sense. The entire first paragraph seems out of place, and there is no clear context for what follows. I don't think I'm the best person to remedy it, though. 35.2.205.26 (talk) 03:08, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * You're not alone. I came here expecting some sort of coverage based on psychology and modern sciences. Instead I was confronted with a dissertation full of unexpected technical religious terminology I had never seen before, without any background explanation or context. I quickly gave up trying to make heads or tails of the entire section. Travis Evans (talk) 00:19, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I have made a separate subsection of that material. Cheers! BD2412  T 01:49, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

English
Suggestion abour discipline 202.51.72.2 (talk) 07:17, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

This is a terrible, rambling, weird article.
Of all the articles I've looked at recently, this must be the worse. It starts off OK with a decent description and understanding at least two meanings of the word, but then has various unconnected weird, unencyclopaedic, and unreferenced text. "Use of the word discipline" is like a list of examples of how to use the word, rather than anything properly encyclopaedic (and only uses the word in a narrow sense). "History" has no references, and only uses the word in a narrow sense. "Self-discipline" seems like a self-help text, rather than something encyclopaedic. "Common techniques" is a bunch of paragraphs with bullet points! More headings please? One of these paragraphs starts "An example of self-discipline technique...", unlike most of the other paragraphs which at least start with the main subject of the paragraph (bullet point).

Anyway, has a strong solid introduction (solid 4/5), but the rest is a complete fail (either 1 or 2 out of 5). This entry needs a complete re-work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.14.131.60 (talk) 09:17, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

i agree with the person who said this is terrible and rambling
it sounds like more of a blog post than an encyclopedia entry 66.108.91.164 (talk) 03:29, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Oh boy... copyeditor to the rescue.
Hi, I'm TrademarkedTarantula, and I'm part of the Guild of Copy Editors. As noted in the countless complaints, this article needs a major copy edit. Heck, even 17 years ago, this article was as poorly written as today. I'll try as best as I can to fix the outrageous amount of inline tags (most of which have a description). Tarantula TM (speak with me) (my legacy) 19:14, 6 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Here are some major flaws I've spotted:
 * Improper usage of "you"
 * Parts of article sounding like a how-to guide
 * Tarantula TM (speak with me) (my legacy) 23:20, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅. Hopefully, this article is a lot better than it previously was. Tarantula TM  (speak with me) (my legacy) 05:57, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

What happened to the pictures in this article?
I remember there being many pictures in this article. Why were they removed? Shidouuu (talk) 17:02, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Discipline is NOT punishment.
The correct definition of discipline is to teach; to instruct. (e.g. disciple, mathematics is an educational discipline) SOCIETY has changed the meaning. Tanamary (talk) 13:31, 21 September 2023 (UTC)