Talk:Disney Princess

Raya
Why do people keep adding Raya in this article?? Georgia guy (talk) 17:09, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Because they don't know who the official Princesses are, just as they are shown on the official website, and they think that any new Disney heroine is obligatorily a Disney Princess. --BrookTheHumming (talk) 15:32, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, the Walt Disney Company is officially adding Raya to the franchise now. Here is the URL that says so: https://www.romper.com/entertainment/raya-and-the-last-dragon-disney-princess 47.187.204.38 (talk) 02:43, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 * That's the plan. Has it happened? Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:55, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 * It is just beginning. 47.187.204.38 (talk) 03:09, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Raya is officially considered a Disney Princess now. 47.187.204.38 (talk) 07:34, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The film is listed on the website. 47.187.201.246 (talk) 17:32, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Just because the official website has not yet been updated doesn't mean Raya is not a princess of this franchise. Just as anonymous users said, her film is already listed on official Disney Princess website. Maybe you all should educate yourself better with the news rather than mocking people and stating they're uneducated. Snowladen (talk) 05:57, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Raya (and her movie) are listed on princess.disney.com, disneyplus.com/franchise/disney-princess, as well as being welcomed during World Princess Week in Aug 2022 (https://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2022/08/celebrating-raya-for-world-princess-week/) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:5EB3:6810:B0E1:94C:D556:1A92 (talk) 17:02, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * If you go to princess.disney.com and scroll down to "Discover (or Rediscover) your Favorite Princess Films" Raya and The Last Dragon is the 1st one listed. There is even officially branded "Disney Princess" dolls for Raya. https://shop.mattel.com/collections/disney-princess 2600:1700:5EB3:6810:8031:89B1:A5B8:7084 (talk) 20:33, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, on the official disney shop it lists Raya in the princess category. https://www.shopdisney.com/characters/disney/disney-princess/raya/
 * There is more evidence that Raya *IS* a princess from official disney sources than there is evidence to the contrary. 2600:1700:5EB3:6810:8031:89B1:A5B8:7084 (talk) 20:55, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The consensus, at least as I have heard, is that in order for a character to be listed as a Disney Princess, they have to be on the characters subsection of https://princess.disney.com/ (the other sections on the page really do not matter) and have a dedicated subpage on that website (for instance, https://princess.disney.com/ariel). For Raya, https://princess.disney.com/raya leads to a 404 page, thus she is not considered official (although the fact that she is now getting branded merchandise does mean she should at least get a mention, possibly alongside Tinker Bell and Esmerelda). The reason coronations in particular do not matter is because of Elena, who got one back in 2016 (footage of the event). While no formal discussions have ever happened, past discussions on Talk:Disney Princess and Template talk:Disney Princess consistently refer to viewing the website as a metaphorical gospel. The branded merchandise, however, is undeniable to an extent. (Oinkers42) (talk) 01:57, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * 1 Listed as an official princess here: https://www.shopdisney.com/characters/disney/disney-princess/raya/
 * 2 her movies is listed as one of the 13 official Disney Princess movies here: https://princess.disney.com/movies
 * 3 Disney themselves announced she was being welcomed as a princess here: https://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2022/08/world-princess-week-returns-next-week/
 * 4 Disney then wrote another articled saying that she had been welcomed here: as well as being welcomed during World Princess Week in Aug 2022 (https://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2022/08/celebrating-raya-for-world-princess-week)
 * 5 she was announced and is regularly featured on the Office Disney Princesse instagram account: https://www.instagram.com/thedisneyprincesses/feed/?hl=en
 * 6 She is one of 13 princesses featured on the Disney Shop princesses category with officially branded merchandise: https://www.shopdisney.com/characters/disney/disney-princess/ and https://www.shopdisney.com/characters/disney/disney-princess/raya/
 * At this point the only counterpoint seems to be that https://princess.disney.com/ hasn't made a specific landing page for Raya which feels kind of weak when you compare to the 6 separate primary sources above. 2600:1700:5EB3:6810:8031:89B1:A5B8:7084 (talk) 16:16, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Regardless, you are going to need to start a proper discussion for this, I will help get you started. (Oinkers42) (talk) 16:53, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Potential to Add Raya as a Disney Princess (or, a formal discussion on the inclusion criteria)
Several editors over the last several months have attempted to add Raya to the official list of Disney Princesses. While Disney has had an official coronation for the character (as seen here) as well as many other things as stated above, the character has not had a landing page added to the franchise's website. The consensus (though never formally declared) has stated that a unique landing page on the website is required. Should this still be applied, or should a new criteria be established? (Oinkers42) (talk) 17:06, 16 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Her inclusion on the official website is somewhat strange, since she doesn't have a profile on the website, but her film is listed among those of the other 12 members. However, while she has not yet been featured on the website, she has been featured on merchandise for the Disney Princess franchise (as seen here and here). So, although for some reason she still does not have a profile on the website (I suppose due to secondary marketing issues), officially she is a member of the franchise due to being featured in official merchandise. So I would therefore propose to include her on the Wikipedia page (unless it is decided to continue with the condition of including her once she has a profile on the official Disney website). BrookTheHumming (talk) 17:53, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * There is page edit notice, Template:Editnotices/Page/Disney Princess which should have been developed via consensus in the past. Did the coronation actually occur? The linked Disney blog is WP:FUTURE, not that it did happen. ShopDisney includes Raya, as well as Elsa who is not part of the franchise. There is often confusion about being a Disney Princess (character) and a Disney Princess (franchise member). Disney is pretty proficient at marketing, would highly doubt her missing from the lineup as an oversight. As she is not on the "roster" of the franchise website, I am unable to support inclusion. As always, will abide by consensus.-- ☾Loriendrew☽  ☏(ring-ring)  21:05, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * You know, looking at it again, I do not think a formal coronation was ever actually held. Admittedly, this does not change much as 1, Moana never had such a coronation, and 2, Elena from Elena of Avalor did. Also, she was still stated on official material, such as the "blog" mentioned above. (Oinkers42) (talk) 02:05, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Raya was announced and is regularly featured on the Office Disney Princess instagram account. https://www.instagram.com/thedisneyprincesses/feed/?hl=en
 * Currently there is even a "watch party" for Raya as the second story post
 * The post from 3/20 is exclusively Raya. As is the one from 9/10/2022, 8/26/2022 (which labels her film part of the "Disney Ultimate Princess Collection," 8/21/2022, 8/20/2022, and the 2 posts from 8/19/2022 (when she was welcomed for World Princess Week).
 * She is also featured along with the other official princesses on 2 posts from 8/21/2022 (which announced a Raya Watch Party), 8/19/2022,
 * I went back about 2 years and it's worth noting that the account only appears to regularly feature/post about the 13 official Disney princesses (so no Elsa, Princess Leia,
 * 2620:160:E308:0:0:0:0:E (talk) 13:20, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I think the link you sent is not working. (Oinkers42) (talk) 14:50, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
 * That instagram feed also includes other non–franchise princesses. If the source includes Anna/Elsa or any other princess who are not Princess™️ members should not be used to bolster arguements for inclusion.-- ☾Loriendrew☽  ☏(ring-ring)  15:33, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
 * It appears they were featured for cross promotion activities but were not featured for World Princess week. All the other points are still valid 2600:1700:5EB3:6810:173:181A:B6CD:4D1C (talk) 02:52, 27 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Tentative include: I know nothing about this, but some Googling has led me to think the appropriate thing to do is include. First, according to this Disney Magazine blog that was published today (May 24, 2023), "The newest addition to the official Disney princess list is Raya, who has joined the ranks of Mulan, Moana, and Merida after being confirmed as an official Disney princess during World Princess Week in 2022." . Additionally, secondary sources (that is, those purporting to rely and interpret primary sources), seemed to have interpreted Disney's prior announcement as indicating Raya is an official Disney princess. See this Seventeen Magazine article, this Geekspin article, or this Romper article. We might disagree with the secondary sources' interpretations, but given their unanimity and the WDW blog, I think inclusion is warranted.-- Jerome Frank Disciple 17:15, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

The edit notice was based on a commented out message that had been in the page source since 2012: Special:Diff/529380177. It was moved to an edit notice because of the large number of reverted edits coming from editors using Visual Editor who were not able to see the comments in the source. --Ahecht (TALK PAGE ) 01:49, 27 May 2023 (UTC) PAGE ]]) 13:35, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for clarifying. For others involved in the above discussion, that doesn't change my conclusion here since the only justification for that comment appears to be past practice, not consensus. voorts (talk/contributions) 01:52, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I would argue that a comment that stayed in the article for 11 years (and whose wording was tweaked by multiple editors to arrive at the current text) without any complaints on the talk page is an implied consensus. That said, consensus can change. --Ahecht ([[User talk:Ahecht|TALK
 * That's a fair point, but per my close, it appears the consensus is being challenged (and has been in the past threads I've found in the talk page archives), so further discussion is appropriate. voorts (talk/contributions) 13:38, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Just note that Raya has been officially added now (she's listed on the website). Pamzeis (talk) 07:40, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Disney Princes
Would a section of the often called "Disney Princes" be appropriate? Listing those who are the couples of the Princesses in the franchise. Or maybe it may be unnecessary? (I don't know if it would be something really related to the franchise, or if it's something that would be more like a "Trivia section"). 90.164.159.7 (talk) 18:54, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * There are no "Princes" within this franchise. Partners/companions of various characters can be found with their own respective articles.-- ☾Loriendrew☽  ☏(ring-ring)  20:33, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Palace Pets
Palace Pets is already mentioned in the article, but... Maybe there should be a section here as a sub-franchise, focusing on information about it? 90.164.159.7 (talk) 21:50, 8 September 2023 (UTC)