Talk:Drake Circus Shopping Centre

Website
I cannot revert Whiteworks i.e. add the link to the website back, because it is blacklisted. Please can a sysop do this for me.  Jolly  Ω   Janner  13:45, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It's blacklisted locally. It does appear to be appropriate to have that URL there: it's the official website (as far as I can tell) of the topic of the page and the infobox has a field specifically designed for such URLs so clearly it's normal to have them. However, the site is used problematically on other pages. I don't know how narrowly it can be whitelisted. Waiting for input from admin who blacklisted it... DMacks (talk) 05:42, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry - no longer an admin so can't help. It was being spammed across many pages at one stage so if it were me I would not de-list it.  Not as though it is vital to the project! -- Herby  talk thyme 08:37, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Concurred it's not critical here...much ado about little? If you feel strongly it should be added, WP:SBL is the place to request. Make sure to cross-link the discussion here<->there so we can track this, given the nature of the sock-drawer that lurks here. DMacks (talk) 10:16, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It's already started being discussed at MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist, though a few extra voices couldn't harm. -- Web H amster  12:39, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * For clarity - it was me who actually listed it having got p*ssed off reverting it in a multitude of strange places (including IIRC my own user page!). -- Herby talk thyme 12:41, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Despite all the discussion it still hasn't been added back. Even if an administrator added it back, how long would it be before the certain disruptive user removes it again? I believe it is all the same user, who probably added the link to random places, so it could get blacklisted and so that this very problem would erupt. If Smalljim was here, he would've reverted it by now.  Jolly  Ω   Janner  16:35, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Admins are not immune to the blacklist...we can't "just revert its removal" any more any non-admins or anonIP can. DMacks (talk) 18:17, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * That's a bummer. Is there any thing that we can add the URL to that means it can be added to only this article?  Jolly  Ω   Janner  18:40, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, see WP:WHITELIST - MrOllie (talk) 17:26, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Location
Couched within rapidly deleted demonstrations of a continuing inability to digest what's clearly written in the green box above, persons unknown seem to be making a single reasonable point. Google says the shopping mall is here, not quite where the article says it is. The part of the name of the graphic that seems to indicate location is (with spaces inserted to avoid the need for lateral scrolling): Point.latitude_e6=50371606 &Point.longitude_e6=4290829871 &Point.iconid=15&Point=e& latitude_e6=50371606& longitude_e6=4290829871. I'm not sure how to parse that; perhaps somebody else could have a bash at it. -- Hoary (talk) 15:35, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * What does this have to do with Wikipedia?  Jolly  Ω   Janner  16:50, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Article meets criteria for inclusion based on in-depth mention in multiple reliable sources. It has already been through AfD discussion, where it was found to be viable and not an ad. Remember, WP isn't about how you perceive something in lay-language, but about how it relates to WP guidelines and policies. Please don't waste your time debating that...you'll need quite clear and convincing reasons how it is totally non-viable under those guidelines. DMacks (talk) 20:26, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Additional to that, the original Drake Circus article was deleted via AfD because it was discovered that Drake Circus is not an official area and is just an area of streets with an unofficial nickname. Also it was decided that the area itself was not inherently notable based on WP's rules. Then add to that the amount of vandalism emanating from the local Student's Union (which is continuing based on the local BT Broadband owned IP addresses involved in ongoing trolling and disruption) it was deemed more convenient to redirect the Drake Circus article here. -- Web H amster  21:05, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Back to the subject: location
This thread has taken a very bizarre direction while I slept. I understand that thinking people among you have been distracted by whack-a-troll, but the very first response does seem directed at my original post, and the question What does this have to do with Wikipedia? puzzles me.

So I'll try again.

The article is of course about DCSC and has two location links for this. They're the same: 50°22′20″N 4°08′16″W / 50.37222°N 4.13778°W / 50.37222; -4.13778. I clicked on one of the pair. The page gave various options; I clicked on the Google Maps option. I was presented with a map with a pointer to a place I'll call A.

In another window, I went to DCSC's own website. It's a boring affair but I think it can be trusted to show where the place is. It has a "getting here" page, www.drakecircus.com/getting-here, which has a map (unfortunately stylized) that shows DCSC as at a place I'll call B. This is close to but not the same as A.

I then opened a third Window, and asked Google Maps where DCLC was. It gave me a map showing DCSC at B.

I infer that the article gives the wrong coordinates for its subject. And what this has to do with Wikipedia is misinformation.

I was so sleepy at 15:35 somebody-else's-time that I didn't notice that the complex filename does appear give the coordinates of a single point, viz 50.371606 -4.290829871. However, that's a considerable change of longitude and I can only infer that Google Maps is using some other reference point for its internal purposes. -- Hoary (talk) 00:06, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * The coordinates are out by a few metres. They're still ontop of the shopping centre. If you want to change it then go on Google Earth and get the coordinates yourself.  Jolly  Ω   Janner  00:58, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I am not familiar with Google Earth; you seem to be. I know next to nothing about this shopping mall other than what I read in this article; you seem to know it rather better. You think the coordinates are out by a few metres; please fix them. Thank you. -- Hoary (talk) 01:13, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

If 50°22′20″N 4°08′16″W / 50.37222°N 4.13778°W / 50.37222; -4.13778 is wrong for the shopping centre, what is right for it? -- Hoary (talk) 00:57, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * What seems to have been ignored by yet another of these anonymous PITAs is that apart from it being a short road, there is no official area called Drake Circus. DCSC probably isn't in DC but then nowhere is ither unless it's a building actually on the road called DC. It's just one more anonymous road in the North Hill, PL4 area of Plymouth. -- Web H amster  01:06, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not asking about "Drake Circus" (whether official, real but unofficial, or entirely imagined). If you'd like to discuss that, Talk:Drake Circus seems to be the place. I'm merely asking about the location of this shopping mall. (Incidentally, it's usually not helpful to refer to people as PITAs, even when they're PITAs.) -- Hoary (talk) 01:19, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * These are the coordinates for the shopping centre... not for the more ambigous term of Drake Circus. Shopping centres are quite easy to spot on a map :) Anyway... my coordinates aren't out by a few metres, but I'll try and get it right in the centre.  Jolly  Ω   Janner  01:19, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you in advance for any improvement you can make. -- Hoary (talk) 01:21, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * The mall is some 300 metres south of drake circus as any offical map will confirm. Google maps takes data from verifcation cards returned by local businesses. Whilst the marketing team of the mall have succeeded in fooling the niave into thinking their shops are in the more prosperous neighbour, these cards are posted and it is impossible for DrakeCircus the mall to bend or alter their results - hence why google maps is accurate.81.132.107.66 (talk) 02:35, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I have a simple request for you, and should be grateful if you would answer it without reference to either Drake Circus or the evilness of the shopping mall, neither of which is of any concern here. The Wikipedia article now states that the mall is at 50°22′20″N 4°08′15″W; is this correct or is it not, and if it is not, can you please supply the correct coordinates. Thank you. -- Hoary (talk) 05:43, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Drakes Circus SC on CompletelyRetail
It's been suggested an external link to http://www.completelyretail.co.uk/portfolio/BritishLand/scheme/Drake-Circus-Plymouth/index is not necessary. Given that the content comes directly from the landowner British Land not Kandahar estates and directly contradicts much of the information on the wiki i.e. it's more accurate and up-to-date I would have thought it was more than relevant but required to verify that the information available was correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Benparer (talk • contribs) 15:48, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

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