Talk:Dry drowning

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Hi. Sorry but this article is deeply flawed. Dry drowning implies drowning with no liquid entering the lungs, supposedly due to laryngospasm while immersed in a liquid. Once profound hypoxia emerges then the spasm is broken and water flows in. That's all! What is described at some length is negative pressure pulmonary oedema which is a seperate process though is can also occur in the setting of laryngospasm. Also the list of causes given is ridiculous and largely related to causes of hypoxia and ventilatory dysfunction... A quick glance at the references confirms that this article could do with a wee bit more work! -Rory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.61.68.252 (talk) 13:58, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

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this article needs some references... I've never heard of the term! Erich 11:09, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * A case of this was reported on June 6, 2008 in Jacksonville, FL. See this news article. It mentions this was after swimming, but this article doesn't seem to draw any correlation between swimming and dry drowning. As mentioned, I'm not sure of how factual this article is. I came out here trying to find more information after reading this article. It didn't really help me understand it any better.Gschrive87 (talk) 15:28, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * This reference also brought me to this page. I would like to see more accessible phrasing, at least in the introduction...


 * Well, it looks like this is a case of delayed drowning and not dry drowning. See http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/drydrowning.asp. Gschrive87 (talk) 01:44, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I was taught that dry drowning occurs in babies and young children, as they have a reflex which physically prevents them from breathing in while underwater, like in the womb. therefore if they are unable to reach the surface then they will eventually pass out and die if not rescued quickly.

On Mythbusters, when dealing with helium, they state that breathing too much results in this. Silverfireshadow (talk) 05:03, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Warning Signs
A foodconsumer.org article Boy dies of "dry drowning" on the same incident as the one mentioned above had some info about warning signs:  "...there are three signs to notice in a child who is at risk of water entering the respiratory system, namely difficulty breathing, extreme tiredness, and changes in behavior." and they sited Dr Daniel Rauch from an appearance on "TPTODAY". Mscalora (talk) 02:42, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

It is unclear as to why the media labeled the 10 year old's death a case of "dry drowning" rather than a "secondary drowning" or "delayed submersion injury."

I'm gonna go with, "because he crashed long after he was removed from the water—therefore he "drowned on dry land". And the media can't be bothered to double-check its sources." Just speculation, natch. TaintedMustard (talk) 01:33, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

June 2017 event + references + merge probably needed
Read a similar story here http://people.com/human-interest/four-year-old-dies-dry-drowning/ which claims that the cause is from lung irritation in response to an amount of water in the lungs, proceeding to fill them with fluid (for some reason). However this doesn't appear consistent with the causes on this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.130.6 (talk) 15:25, 8 June 2017 (UTC)


 * This news article (fr) refers to the same death. http://www.webmd.com/children/features/secondary-drowning-dry-drowning distinguishes "dry drowning" as immediately after coming out of the water vs "secondary drowning" which can occur up to a few days later. Another webmd reference is her: http://www.webmd.com/children/news/20140602/dry-drowning-faq Neither of these are medical research articles, but webmd seems to be serious in terms of science-for-the-public websites. A merge into drowning seems reasonable to me, unless someone with enough knowledge feels that a WP:SPLIT is justified. Boud (talk) 08:02, 10 June 2017 (UTC)


 * A merge to drowning with redirect would probably be the best way out of this. I will tag with the proposal &bull; &bull; &bull; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 20:38, 25 August 2017 (UTC)