Talk:Du'a Arafah

Narrate from?
Regarding the vague sentence which you had underlined; In hadith studies when it's said that "A narrated X from B", it means that B said X, and A reported that. In fact, "Sayyed Ibn Tawus narrated the Arafah prayer from Ja'far al-Sadiq..." means that "Sayyed Ibn Tawus" said that "Ja'far al-Sadiq" said the prayer! "Sayyed Ibn Tawus" is somehow reporting what he has heard from "Ja'far al-Sadiq". Is it sensible? Mhhossein (talk) 18:58, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * That's not how I (we?) typically use the word "narrate". I asked the question because I was wondering if there were a technical meaning to it, but I think it's just a slightly unfortunate use of the word. Please rephrase. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 19:23, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Drmies: I saw a similar usage of the word narrate in "hadith studies". "...to verify whether this person met the people whom he narrated from," is seen there. Anyway, do you have any suggestions for a suitable replacement? Mhhossein (talk) 03:57, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Drmies: Although you use it in a different manner, "narrate from" is used in various sources dealing with hadith related issues. (See:, , , , and etc. ) Mhhossein (talk) 05:59, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Interesting: that is the kind of thing I was looking for--I might learn something. Hold on: I'll be back when I have time to look at them. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 15:24, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * OK--for various reasons I can't really accept all of them (the first lacks proper copyediting, the second and third might be OK though I don't put much stock in MIU and ECI, and the fourth is a self-published mess), but I found some others: Crescent magazine seems OK, this appears to be well written and edited, and this is a direct quote which strikes me as acceptable. BTW, can you give a definition of the term? I'm interested to know if "narrate from" allows for textual variation, interpretation, paraphrase, etc. Drmies (talk) 15:26, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Drmies:You just presented a fair evaluations of the sources. Well, I tried to define the term at ther very beginning of out discussion. As far as I know, this term is used to show the position of an individual in a "chain of narration". In other words, when a hadith is attributed to the prophet or an Imam, we should know how this hadith has come to us from those era and some scholars are expert in recognizing whether a certain man is considered as authenticated to report the hadith or no. So, usually in hadith collections we see the term "narrated from". As an example, consider that the prophet of Islam made an advice on the importance of planting trees. "A" hears the advice and reports to "B" who himself reports it to "C" and chain continues up to the near our time. But when this advice is going to be mentioned as hadith it should be said that "C" narrated from "B" who narrated from "A" who himself narrated from the prophet of Islam that .... . Did I answer your question? Mhhossein (talk) 18:17, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * But the question is how that usage is different from saying "A cited (or quoted) X from B". Drmies (talk) 18:54, 4 November 2015 (UTC)