Talk:Dutch baby pancake

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In spite of all my experience in Holland I don't know what this article is describing. It does not describe poffertjes, neither does it describe wentelteefjes (see Dutch Wiki). Is it something that is eaten in America, perhaps? Hikitsurisan 08:00, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I think its name comes from the Pennsylvania Dutch, so it's really German-American. &mdash;dgies tc 08:09, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, the closest thing in European cooking seems to be Yorkshire pudding and the German Apfelpfannkuchen. They aren't identical (the German dish seems to be flipped, whereas doing such to a Dutch Baby would be practically impossible), but they do seem to be reasonably close. Haikupoet 02:43, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I live at the border of France/Netherland/Germany (been here for fifteen years) and I have never seen any such dish either in Germany, the Netherlands, Luxembourg or Belgium. Actually, given that the only translations are in Spanish and [unknown asian language], are you sure this is of European origin at all? Seems to me like a case of the German chocolate cake [i.e. named after a Mr. German and not after a place of origin]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.14.22.58 (talk) 10:43, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
 * addition: The pancakes I know as pancakes served in Germany are more like the Pannekoek or Palatschinke. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.14.22.58 (talk) 13:07, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

We have a family recipe for German Pancakes...
My husband's father's family lived in Hamburg, Germany for many generations. My father-in-law emigrated from there. Before my husband and I were married, his mother gave me her mother-in-law's recipe for German Pancakes. I adapted it to American sized pans, and cut out as much of the fat as I could, with retaining the flavor. (The original recipe called for two sticks' worth of butter for six eggs, and heavy cream - to feed four people!)

I have a page with my adapted recipe and my photographs of it here:  We have made it for my father-in-law, and he has declared it authentic. (His memory for fat must be waning...)

It's a tried-and-true recipe. We make it all the time. Enjoy!

All the best, 63.209.238.57 20:45, 9 May 2007 (UTC)clkl

Also known as...
My family has always referred to these as a Bismarck. I am not sure where this originates from. See recipe here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.211.206.2 (talk) 22:02, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

How is it different from an ordinary pancake, as eaten in the UK? Seans Potato Business 22:05, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No leavening, baked in an oven, not on top of a stove, is not flipped over. Has crispy edges and soft middle.  &mdash;dgies tc 23:00, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

In my family we call this dish a Dutch Puff, I think that this an old New England name for it, I remember that its name was attributed to the recipe coming from the original Dutch settlers of New York, but I don't really know if that is true.206.146.69.21 (talk) 23:04, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

How can I help without giving away the secret?
I am a descendant of Mark Manca and the recipe and history of the Dutch Baby, Big Dutch Baby, and restaurant are well know in our family. I will not contribute any recipes for the original Dutch Baby or Daddy's Seasoning but I can tell you almost anything else. I can consult my grandmother for more information and what can be disclosed. She still has the pans used to make the original Dutch Babies. --Azemocram (talk) 22:30, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I almost forgot. I have eaten the "Dutch Baby" (which is really a re-make of the Big Dutch Baby) at the new "Original" Pancake House in Ballard and the flavor is acceptably similar. One order of the original Dutch Babies at the Manca Café comprised of 3 small Dutch Babies topped with sifted powdered sugar and fresh squeezed lemon juice. -- Azemocram
 * By the way, how is this part of Wiki Project Pennsylvania when this is from Washington? The recipe was based off of a Pennsylvanian one but the name and current recipe is 100% Washingtonian! --  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Azemocram (talk • contribs) 05:44, 15 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Your help is greatly appreciated in fleshing out the history of the Dutch baby.  Do you have a date on the Sunset Magazine article?  Wikipedia is often criticized as a source of incorrect information.  Because of this, many users adhere to a high standard of citations and references and will err on the side of deletion of information with questionable citation.  The best way to avoid this is to provide as much reliable citation information as possible in a sources section or using the ref tags.  Thanks again.  Dspark76 (talk) 14:46, 16 March 2010 (UTC)


 * The recipe was actually named after my Great Grandfather's horse, Dutch Baby. I need to go the NW history museum to get "official scholarly citations." I have authentic first hand information but if 3rd parties need to be involved, I will get those (less accurate but) widely published works. -- Azemocram (talk) 19:12, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry for not getting those, my schedule got really busy with college so I never got the opportunity. I did a little research (searching through all the cookbooks of all my family and double checking online and The [Big] Dutch Baby pancake has been featured in every Brunch edition of Sunset Magazine's cookbook since the 70's and has been featured on several covers including the 3rd printing 1982 one ISBN 0-376-02104-7 while Sunset's recipe is more of a modernized German Pancake recipe (it is closer to the traditional German Pancake than our Dutch Baby), we have cooked their recipe next to our recipe and the results are similar. By the way, my Great Grandfather Mark Manca died before my sister was born but there was a restaurant operated by his family in Madison park until the mid 1990's and one of his children still caters. I don't know how to help much here since I mainly use Wikia and almost all my information comes from our family (secret) archives, printed in one big book of laminated photocopies of every single document great grandpa wrote regarding the restaurant. Maybe we (third and fourth generation children) can copyright it and publish it in a few decades (with the permission of the first generation children or after they pass away from old age)? -- Azemocram (talk) 16:45, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Trademark
I can't find a record of a trademark for Dutch Baby at www.uspto.gov relating to pancakes or the Manca Cafe. Maybe it is slightly different than simply Dutch Baby? Dspark76 (talk) 14:29, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The Manca Cafe and Manca Restaurant were small, family-owned restaurants. The Mancas might not have trademarked the name, which is a shame because we would be very wealthy had Mark done so. It is too late now if it was not trademarked. I will call my grandmother to see if the Dutch Baby was trademarked. -- Azemocram (talk) 01:19, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Mrs. M. Manca Allenbach (my grandmother) told me that Dutch babies were trademarked, copyrighted or patented but she did not remember which one(s). Her memory is not what it used to be but we have the largest archive of Manca Restuarant artifacts and information. -- Azemocram (talk) 04:51, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

My family also has a recipe for German Pancakes
Our family recipe is actually a bit different then what most people say to be a Dutch Baby/German Pancake (which I also contend to be the most scrumptious out of all the different variations/imitations of the Dutch Baby/German Pancake dishes that I've tried).

This is the only picture that comes close to the heaven that is German Pancakes:

[P.S. The Best topping is Cinnamon or Powdered Sugar IMO =D] Oni ™ (talk) 22:08, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Generic Name German Pancake
Since the original / generic name for these pancakes seems to be the "German Pancake" dating back to at least tge 1919 reference in the article, with Dutch baby and David Eyre's pancakes being slight varations, should the article(s) be renamed and redirected to German Pancake? Dspark76 (talk) 19:52, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Also:

This 1861 dictionary lists both a German Pancake and a Dutch Pancake, althought the Dutch Pancake recipe is a bit different from that in this article: http://books.google.com/books?id=PkcCAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA746&dq=german+pancakes&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ul3pUq-mGOe-sQSS34DYCg&ved=0CD4Q6AEwAjgK


 * Dutch pancakes have their own article at Pannekoek and are not Dutch babies. I've had Pannekoeken in Amsterdam. The 'Dutch' in "Dutch baby" is actually Deutsch, in other words, German. Doug Weller  talk 15:45, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Let's merge David Eyre's pancake to this article
Request received to merge articles: David Eyre's pancake into Dutch baby pancake; dated: {month/year}. Proposer's Rationale: it's simply a minor variation. Discuss here. Doug Weller talk 16:15, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but we Boomers grew up on David Eyre's Pancake Nonpareil. It cannot be "merged" with anything. There is "nothing like it." That is what "nonpareil" means!Kahuna2011 (talk) 17:22, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

They're really not the same, and some history will inevitably be lost if the articles are merged. I vote no. Sam Paris (talk) 15:22, 22 January 2018 (UTC)


 * There are a number of variations of the Dutch baby, this is a well known named one. His daughter says " It appears on a dozen blogs, embellished with family stories and photos and new-and-improved versions of the recipe. (Eyre, by the way, said he got his from the “St. Francis Hotel Cookbook” published in 1919, but his calls for more flour and egg. Both belong to a family of oven-baked pancakes sometimes called either German pancakes or Dutch babies.)" and "What keeps cooks faithful to one recipe is often some confluence of ease and surprise. Eyre’s pancake possesses both. A batter of flour, milk, eggs, and nutmeg is blended together, then poured into a hot skillet filled with butter and baked". It's called "a more delicate version" of a Dutch baby on this Martha Stewart site. This article by a Times correspondent says "A Dutch baby — also known as a German pancake, David Eyre's pancake or a Bismarck — is the preferred pancake of weekend mornings in my house, and I'm convinced it should be in everyone's home." The New York Times: "Call it a Dutch baby, Dutch puff, German pancake or — as we did when I was growing up — David Eyre’s pancake (from the version printed in these pages in 1966)". I don't see any policy or guideline justification for separate articles. Doug Weller  talk 18:51, 22 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Merge -- It may well be "nonpareil" in the sense of being incomparably good. But technically, it is just a minor variant of Dutch baby. Several reliable sources (see Weller, above) agree that it's just a kind of Dutch baby. WP is not a cookbook, and is not in the business of choosing the best variant of a base recipe, even if the variants have names. --Macrakis (talk) 20:03, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge per Macrakis and also because both articles are very short. — Kpalion(talk) 10:45, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Agreed and ✅ Klbrain (talk) 15:50, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

although it resembles? why "although"
, why "although"? That suggests something's wrong. Doug Weller talk 15:51, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Dutch babies, popovers and Yorkshire puddings - similar but not the same
There's a big difference in cooking method between a Dutch baby and the others. A Dutch baby is generally done in a large cast iron frying pan and often served directly from it. Of course there's also a difference in the proportion of egg, milk and flour, and the addition of sugar to a Dutch baby. As someone who has had all three, they are definitely different.

Also, a Dutch baby is definitely a pancake. Who calls a Yorkshire pudding a pancake? Our article on it doesn't, although it does mention using a pancake batter. Doug Weller talk 15:58, 16 May 2018 (UTC)


 * This is really funny - from the Guardian: "What we certainly don’t do is dress up the Sunday Roast staple in powdered sugar and jam and pretend it’s the same thing.

That is a different dish, the Dutch baby,". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doug Weller (talk • contribs) 16:10, 16 May 2018 (UTC)


 * (Having internet problems here today) I've never had a Dutch baby; I saw the BBC article and looked it up. Below the "fold" that quotes a British chef who evidently knows what she's talking about. But my edit reflected the bulk of the article: the British outrage that something that reads as a Yorkshire pud is being served with jam and powdered sugar. Over to you foodies :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 16:22, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Listing of "state" as Pennsylvania
The body of the article contradicts the depiction of this as a Pennsylvania dish. Likely it was listed as such because of the German and Dutch settlers to Pennsylvania. But the dish originated in Washington and really has no connection to the Dutch and Deutche immigrants. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grantor (talk • contribs) 16:57, 4 April 2020 (UTC)