Talk:E. W. Marland

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I am a bit unsure as how to proceed with this new entry of Marland. it is entitled something like "Quotes from books" and then is subtitled "paraphrased by" and then the contributer's name is given. I am open to suggestions, but plan on at least emailing the contributer. Carptrash 16:04, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * In 2024, page is still full of plausible but non-cited pieces of information--much of it surely inferred, like the couple's motives for moving or for adopting. Someone with interest and access to resources in Oklahoma state history could surely dispatch this quickly. Thanks, all. Johannes der Taucher (talk) 15:36, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

I just cut this out and put it here
I just moved this whole section here. Some of it might be okay, but its better work at from here than in the article, This is an opinion. Carptrash 05:05, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Note that The Marland Oil Company was incorporated in Delaware on October 8, 1920. Not 1921 as you have in the presentation. Reference: Moody's Industrial Manual heading for the Continental Oil Company. Date: 1960. Jcmcapital 13:16, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

(THE FOLLOWING ARE QUOTES AND INFO FROM BOOKS ABOUT E. W. MARLAND)  Oklahoma Governors 1929-1955; Depression to Prosperity 

Edited by Leroy H. Fischer Paraphrasing by Dan Branum, Chapter Ten: E. W. Marland:  The New Deal’s Pale Imitation 

Page 181 “The way he had built a fortune and then lost it to the conniving denizens of Wall Street was already a Sooner legend, and it struck a responsive chord among thousands of citizens who shared his rage and sense of loss.”  Marland was known for being a philanthropist with his wealth.

“Most significantly, Marland’s campaign was tuned to the phenomenal popularity of the New Deal. Although his speech-making fell short of the extravagant standard of Oklahoma political oratory, his promises were as generous as those of any of his rivals.”

Page 182 “While Marland successfully appropriated the New Deal label for his own campaign, there was little evidence that Washington was overtly involved in his efforts.”

Page 184 As a victory proclamation for his ticket, Marland said, “ ‘The New Deal had come to Oklahoma. There’s no other question… I am going through wit hit, and those who object will be saved in spite of themselves.’ ” “Ernest Whitworth Marland was sixty years old when he assumed the governorship in January, 1935. A native of Pennsylvania, he was the son of moderately well-to-do parents who had him educated in private schools, the University of Pittsburgh, and the law school of the University of Michigan. Marland was a precocious student who earned his law degree at nineteen and passed his bar examination long before he was legally eligible to practice. After his twenty-first birthday, he joined a Pittsburgh firm specializing in mining litigation. The better to prepare himself for his legal duties, he also studied metallurgy and earth formations and, within a few years, was an acknowledge expert in the science of geology.”

He eventually quit his legal profession and went to develop the oil deposits in West Virginia and then all around the country. Page 185 “At its peak, the Marland empire reached into most of the United States and part of Mexico from its nerve center at the beautiful Marland estate in Ponca City. Its founder became rich and his philanthropies numerous: churches, hospitals, schools, and uncounted individuals knew him as their benefactor. But early in 1930 the $85 million empire collapsed, the victim, as Marland put it, of the “wolves of Wall Street” – the investment bankers who took control of the company and unceremoniously deposed its founder. As the familiar green, triangular “Marland” signs were repainted to a red “Conoco,” the man who had lost more than any Oklahoman turned his legendary humanitarianism – and new vengefulness- to politics. As the first Democrat ever to win election from the Eighth District, he helped launch the New Deal in Washington before returning to bring its promise to Oklahoma.”

“E.W. Marland soon proved one of the most disappointing public men in Oklahoma history.” “Despite his record majority and his humane sympathies, the governor was miscast as a political. Cold, aloof, quarrelsome, and incredibly naïve, he was utterly unfit for the give and take of bruising statehouse politics. As governor, he sought to run the state as he would a corporation – a benevolent and farsighted executive who dispatched general commands, the specifics to be worked out by faithful employees who dared not question his wisdom.” Page 187 “Marland’s failure to bring the New Deal to Oklahoma was caused by more than his own personal inadequacies. At every turn, his plans encountered insurmountable obstacles. Legislators refused limit their own prerogatives to the higher cause of efficient state planning.” “For Marland to have succeeded in bringing the New Deal to Oklahoma demanded that he do precisely what Franklin Roosevelt was doing on a larger scale: assert his authority over a broad-based but disciplined coalition of voting blocs committed to the pursuit of liberal goals.” “But even if he had possessed the president’s own political gifts and instincts, Marland would have failed. Oklahoma, like most states that vainly attempted their own ‘little New Deal’ experiments in the 1930s, lacked a tradition of disciplined voter blocs, at least since the demise of the Farmer-Labor Reconstruction League.” Page 188 “The clearest measure of Marland’s failure was the fate of” his comprehensive agenda. He proposed many new taxes and other sweeping changes that the legislature and the state would simply not accept. Page 190 “Governor Marland watched his Little New Deal go down in legislative flames.” Page 194 “Thomas Pryor Gore’s seat in the United States Senate was the main attraction in the 1936 primary. The old progressive’s ingrained distrust of power, whether in the hands of corporations or of the federal government, had turned him into a bitter foe of what he took to be the dangerous unconstitutional usurpations of Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal.”  Page 195 “Gore’s dismal performance revealed the folly of opposition to Roosevelt’s New Deal at the crest of its popularity.  “In view of Gore’s fate, Democrats of every stripe were moved to proclaim their devotion to the president in the 1936 general election. The lone prominent exception was Alfalfa bill Murray, who warmly introduced Alf Landon on the Republican’s campaign tour.” Page 197 “Among the major cities’ dailies, neither Roosevelt nor the New Deal had many friends by 1936. E.K. Gaylord’s Daily Oklahoman and Oklahoma City Times continued to describe themselves as Democratic newspapers, but they featured the most virulent anti-New Deal opinion.

Page 198 “Despite the stout conservatism of the state’s major newspapers, the acclaim of Oklahoma voters for the president and his party could not be denied.”

Page 200 The administration and legislature did eventually end up with something to show for themselves. “The Marland administration ended the fruitless obstructionism of the Murray regime. It allowed thousands of Oklahomans some relief by taking part in the Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC) camps and Works Progress Administration (WPA) projects in every county. Such landmark programs as unemployment compensation and public welfare were adopted and placed within the structure of government. Planning had become a visible duty of the state, embodied (after 1937 reorganization) in the State Planning and Resources Board. Meanwhile, the state’s responsibility for what had always been purely local obligations was now accepted-in welfare, in education, and after the creation of the highway patrol in 1937, in law enforcement.” “On the other side, it was equally clear that Marland’s bright promise of bringing the New Deal to Oklahoma had gone the way of the defunct Marland Oil company. As often as not the most important changes of the past four years had been determined in Washington, not Oklahoma City, and sent to the state as gifts wrapped in federal regulations. The state’s new roles were often unavoidable, usually reluctant and always minimal.

You seem to be making
a lot of complicated edits. Such as at E.W. Marland and since it seems to me that you are making a lot of arbitrary decisions about what to keep and what to not keep tracking all these is being .... also complicated. For example, I am wondeering why you removed:
 * . In 1928, the Marland Oil Company was taken over in a hostile bid process by J. P. Morgan, Jr. and was merged with Continental Oil and Transportation Company (CONOCO). Marland’s oil empire was destroyed in the break-up of trusts. He lost all of his wealth for the second time. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 21:38, 13 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Have moved your comments to the article Talk page. The content you note above is in the article, in the Career section. If it was out for a while, it may have been an error. Or, I had guessed that it was "a break-up of trusts", as the previous editor didn't originally explain how J.P. Morgan, Jr. had affected the company (I found elsewhere that he had taken it over in a bid). Sorry for the confusion. Got interrupted in the process. Parkwells (talk) 03:07, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry about jumping all over you about the Marlands. I think I'll just sit back, let you do all your improvements and then, if I have any issues (which I likely will not) get on with them.I have to be a little cautions with that ownership thing at times.  Carptrash (talk) 14:36, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Infobox expansion suggestions
I have been expanding a lot of infoboxes, but am not sure exactly how to format the changes I think need to be made to this particular one. Not only was E.W. Marland a governor, but he was also a United States Congressman, which should be reflected in his infobox. Unfortunately, I don't know whether Congressman trumps governor or vice-versa and how to best implement changes to the infobox. Please offer suggestions or make those changes yourself. Okheric (talk) 02:27, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Another note: Seems poorly organized
This article seems poorly organized. Again, I feel a little bit over my head in addressing it. Okheric (talk) 02:29, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

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