Talk:Edmond Dantès

Appears huge overlap with the article Edmund Dantès; is this name misspelled? 24.12.179.20 02:50, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Edmund Dantès redirects to the novel The Count of Monte Cristo. This article is about the main character of the novel, and as such, there will be overlap. The name is correctly spelled as "Edmond", not "Edmund". Aericanwizard 04:57, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Dantes's change
I think it would be worthwhile to mention the change in how the Count views his revenge as the story closes.

For instance, the book is clear that he has begun to regret the steps he has taken when a) he discovers that Maximilian is in love Valentine and b) when Madame Villefort poisons Edward. Possibly the realization of everything he has caused is what prompts him to forgive Danglars?

Also, there is the quote in his letter to Maximilian at the end where he acknowledges his own lack of wisdom, seeming to imply that he has learned much from the expereience. Fleagle 02:36, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Definitely feel free to add a section regarding his regret. I agree that it plays a large role in the novel, and shouldn't be forgotten.  A large portion of the final section of the book is the fact that he is learning to enjoy life again, despite having sworn that he would not until his task was complete.  His friendships with Maximilian (and all the Morrels for that matter), Franz, and Albert, as well as his growing affection for Haydée define the new Edmond, in contrast with the old Edmond and the Count. Aericanwizard (talk) 20:13, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Dark Hero Archetype Similar to Zorro, Batman, and V.
I believe this article could use some expanding on the influence of this character. I feel that there are some obvious inspirations that sprang from this character that are not mentioned in this article about Edmond Dantes and they are the similarities he has with other heroes who came after him in both literature and film. As a matter of fact it appears that Edmond Dantes was the first of such Dark Hero archetypes that we see in our modern culture. I feel that they do bear mention in some way or form.

Monte Cristo’s and Batman’s similarities.

1.The vow of revenge against the people who have wronged them and it is their primary motivation for what they do. The desire for Vengeance is mentioned in most Batman films in live action and animated forms.

2.The dawning of a darker alter ego with unwavering convictions as to what they want to do. They both dress in black with capes.

3.They are both able to use an almost unlimited supply of money and resources towards their goals. They both also live in Mansions in large cities.

4.The use of allies/sidekicks. Batman has numerous people under him he can depend on for help and with similar goals to his. Alfred, Robin, Batgirl, Batwoman, Nightwing, and Lucius Fox. The Count of Monte Cristo had Luigi Vampa, Jacopo, Ali, Baptistin, Bertuccio, Benedetto and Princess Haydee all with their own helpful skills to assist him and with similar goals.

5.Detective skills. Monte Cristo and Batman both use intelligence and cunning to destroy their enemies.

6.Monte Cristo has an underground hideout/headquarters in a cave underneath the island of Monte Cristo which in some respects seems similar to the Batcave.

2. Monte Cristo’s and Zorro’s similarities (in film)

The Film the Mask of Zorro (1998) obviously takes from the storyline of the Count of Monte Cristo as you have in that film the first Zorro Diego Vega (Anthony Hopkins) life ruined by his enemy and then serves 20 years in prison only to sneak out by a fake death scene and be buried in a bag only to dig himself out later (which is what Edmond Dantes attempts in his own jail break in the novel only he is thrown over cliff into the water when he had planned to be buried alive by the jailers). Also in that film you see the refining of Alejandro Murrieta into a gentlemen by Diego Vega which is similar to Abbe Faria’s training of Dantes. The training and refining of Bruce Wayne in Batman Begins (2005) by Ducard is also very similar to this.

Hollywood even made some of their Monte Cristo films similar to Zorro films such as The Son of Monte Cristo in 1940 and The Mask of the Avenger in 1951 which feature a black masked swashbuckler avenging himself or those in trouble.

3. Monte Cristo’s and V’s similarities

The comic book and film make overtly obvious that The Count of Monte Cristo was a major inspiration as V is similar to the Count as he served time in prison unjustly and seeks his revenge for personal satisfaction against those who wronged him.

In the film V for Vendetta (2006) it is even stated that the 1934 film version of the Count of Monte Cristo is V’s favorite film. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Janus2004 (talk • contribs) 09:00, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Zatara and Edmond Dantes
in the movie of the count of De Monte Cristo, Edmond's best friend calling him Zatara ......is he the same Zatara from the comics book , or its just a nick name for Edmond? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.142.40.237 (talk) 13:40, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

If I remember the film correctly, this is the name given to Edmond by the smugglers after he escapes the Chateau D'If, and it is said to mean something like "driftwood". I don't recall it being present in the novel, and I think it was just added to the film for comic effect. In the novel, Edmond goes by many, many names; many of these were cut for the film, so by having Jacopo call him Zatara, it can still show that he is a different man to different people. Aericanwizard (talk) 16:29, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Who is Haydée?
§ Paris and the Count ends with this, the very last sentence of the plot summary:
 * Edmond, at the end of the novel, departs with Haydée, leaving with words of immortal wisdom: "to wait and hope".

Who is Haydée? The only previous mention of her is in the infobox, in the thoroughly confusing unbroken line
 * Mercédès Mondego (ex-fiancée) Haydée Tebelin

So is she the ex-fiancée? Or is Mercédès? Or are they the same?

-- Thnidu (talk) 20:50, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Dantès's occupations
Similarly to the hero's fiancee, his occupations are ambiguously noted in the infobox: on a single line in a wide enough window, which is ambiguous; and line-broken wherever the window width dictates, which can be incorrect on a mobile unit:
 * wide window:
 * occupation = Merchant sailor (initially) Aristocrat


 * narrow window:
 * occupation = Merchant sailor
 * (initially) Aristocrat

Since it is clear from the plot summary that he is initially a merchant sailor, only later becoming an aristocrat, I am fixing it.

--Thnidu (talk) 21:51, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Possible misspelling
Is the title "Historys" supposed to be spelled as such? Furthermore, would a word such as "story" or "plot" not be better suited? 71.175.150.71 (talk) 00:10, 23 December 2023 (UTC)