Talk:Effects of the 2008–2010 automotive industry crisis on the United States

May 2009
Wow. I found a page that serves as a clearinghouse for all the anti-UAW myths that can be found on the internets. Nice work, people. By the way, CNS news is not really reliable. They kind of distort things.173.8.220.209 (talk) 15:24, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Please explain what part(s) of the article you think are inaccurate. Grundle2600 (talk) 23:36, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, Grundle. I should have known.  I agree with the anon.  Despite my few changes the article remains one of the most blatantly POV articles about a major subject I have ever read at Wikipedia (since Grundle's own "Obama Bear Market").  More like "Effects of the 2008-2009 automotive industry crisis on people who hate groups".  Abrazame (talk) 12:24, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Auto Stock for Every Taxpayer Act
In July 2009, the U.S. Senate voted against the Auto Stock for Every Taxpayer Act 59 to 38. Only one Democrat voted for it. Source Grundle2600 (talk) 18:00, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

RFC
Is this article totalled?

For one thing, despite the title, this seems to be more of an excoriation of any parties that were or would be involved in the automobile industry than an examination of the actual effects of the crisis on the U.S. or the response to it. For another thing the authors seemed to have lost interest as the economy in general and the auto industry in particular has improved, although surely the effects are either still ongoing and/or they were overstated to begin with. (This may in part be because a primary author was topic-banned from political articles for tendentiously pushing Libertarian and/or conservative POV, if I may boil it down to that.) Yet this miserable article remains.

I'm uncertain if this article is even necessary, given Automotive industry crisis of 2008–2010. It seems to have been designed as a coatrack, an effort to dissuade or discredit any efforts that would be made on the industry's behalf, and far from being interested in the actual effects seems mostly about the debate and prognostications approaching the intervention. I'm wondering if people whose main interest/area of expertise is economics might help to determine whether this article is salvageable or whether anything worth expounding upon from the general article would best be done by starting from scratch. Thanks, Abrazame (talk) 12:42, 24 January 2010 (UTC)


 * If you're interested in discussing deletion, you can file an WP:AFD. This article could certainly benefit from some significant efforts to identify and summarize important information concisely, while removing extraneous details.  It seems more like a rambling news digest than an encyclopedia article.  (Really:  in ten years, will anyone care exactly what date the NYT article was published on?  Is it really so important that it needs to be in the lead, even now?)  I'd also support a page move to drop the "Effects of" bit:  this article covers vastly more than just the "effects of".  WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:25, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Neutral Point of View

 * Sorry if I am doing the wrong process; I'm a bit rusty with the procedural side of Wikipedia, but I feel this article is not representative of a neutral point of view and have tagged it as such. As it stands the article very slanted towards those opposed to government action, focuses too much on being a digest of news events, and makes little-to-mention of opposing viewpoints.  In general, the article also seems to be written from a primarily libertarian political point of view.  For example, effects on automobile credit availability and leasing practices are ignored while there is an inordinate amount of emphasis placed on the auto companies' past, especially GM.  Finally, the article is chock full of cited facts which seem to be irrelevant in an article titled "Effects of the 2008-2010 automotive industry crisis on the United States". I may not have the expertise to properly correct or rewrite this article, but I at least wanted to get the discussion started.  Thank you. Hotstreets (talk) 18:15, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * If you notice areas that could be improved, then please add to them. The reality is that, statistically, most people were opposed to government funding related to this issue (about 3/5 of the population according to polls).  Due to this, some of that bias may unintentionally carry over into the article.  If you feel something is ignored, this an opportunity to get involved and make an addition to the article.  --Xaliqen (talk) 09:32, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * At this point it seems that most of the NPOV problem is a few cases of undue weight, and the inclusion of some unreliable sources. I tried tackling it, but decided to do some basic cleanup first.  I'll take a look in a few days when it's not all so fresh in my mind. Uberhill 17:05, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Cleanup Efforts
Whoever originally built this article put a lot of work in, and this complex subject wasn't easy to cover. At this point, the article needs to be put into the past tense (it was clearly written as these things were transpiring). Some excessive detail has crept in, as it was unclear what would be notable while the debates were ongoing. I'm going to take a few stabs at this, including some minor rearranging.

Regarding the {citation required} tags I'm adding; please remember that they don't mean that I disagree with the statement, merely that it's important and requires verification. Thanks for your patience. Uberhill 15:24, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

OK, I've done what I can at this point. Some work remains:
 * The UAW is cited in the article considered dropping the job bank -- did they?
 * What was the final resolution of the bondholder situation?
 * What is the current status of government stock holdings? Have they been divested yet?
 * Lots of dead links here, please help!
 * CNS and other non-reliable sources scattered in here -- please find better sources or remove the claims

I hope this has helped, in the main, and that I haven't accidentally set off anybody's buttons. Uberhill 17:04, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Date of Auto Industry Bailout September 2008 -- Obama Administration?
This article clearly states that people were not happy with Obama for the auto industry bailout, but the bailout was written and signed before Obama assumed the office of United States President. I don't believe Senators are permitted to sign off alone on federal bailouts. "In late September 2008, Congress approved a more than $630 billion spending bill, which included a measure for $25 billion in loans to the auto industry. These low-interest loans are intended to aid the industry in its push to build more fuel-efficient, environmentally-friendly vehicles. The Detroit 3 -- General Motors, Ford and Chrysler -- will be the primary beneficiaries." Source: http://www.propublica.org/special/government-bailouts Please consider historical accuracy ABOVE partisanship when writing and publishing a Wikipedia article. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.195.19.151 (talk) 00:11, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

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