Talk:Enya/Archive 1

Sentence ambiguity
"Despite winning Grammys for "Best New Age Album", Enya does not refer to her music as such." -- She doesn't call it new age or she doesn't call it the best? Paullusmagnus 18:02, 20 Sep 2003 (UTC)


 * She doesn't call her music "new age" Crusadeonilliteracy 06:25, 21 Sep 2003 (UTC)

She said that she is catholic and she is offended when her music is called "new age". She was going to catholic school, she singed for His Holiness Pope John Paul II (who was her fan).

More sentence ambiguity
"In 1980, Eithne joined the group Clannad (the members included siblings Máire Brennan, Pól Brennan, and Ciarán Brennan)" Now are these her siblings, or just each other's siblings? I'd say just each other's, but they have the same last name (if Enya's anglicised version is used) which would be rather coincidental, and is sort of confusing. Can someone clear this up?-R. fiend 18:54, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure it's hers. --Menchi 20:51, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * Are you sure? If it weren't for the last names (which little mention is even made of) there's nothing in the wording indicating they're her siblings. Also, no mention is made on the Máire Brennan article of her being Enya's sister, which seems odd if it's true, as Enya is substantially more famous than she is. -R. fiend 22:44, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * Yes, they are Enya's siblings. I replaced the ambiguous sentence with: "In 1980, Eithne joined Clannad, a band composed of her siblings Máire, Pól, and Ciarán and twin uncles Noel and Padraig Duggan."  Better? --Mrwojo 14:40, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * And I placed a reference to Enya into the Maire Brennan article. You'd be surprised what gets overlooked sometimes! ;-) 23skidoo 19:03, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Gay Icon project
In my effort to merge the now-deleted list from the article Gay icon to the Gay icons category, I have added this page to the category. I engaged in this effort as a "human script", adding everyone from the list to the category, bypassing the fact-checking stage. That is what I am relying on you to do. Please check the article Gay icon and make a judgment as to whether this person or group fits the category. By distributing this task from the regular editors of one article to the regular editors of several articles, I believe that the task of fact-checking this information can be expedited. Thank you very much. Philwelch 20:31, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I disagree with Enya being included as a gay icon, at least based upon the definition given in the main article since personal tragedy and come-from-behind success doesn't really apply to Enya; nor does the unstated fashion element. I'm not exactly an expert in these matters (not being gay myself) however unlike Audrey Hepburn and Sophia Loren (two others recently added) I have never seen any reference to Enya having any significant following in the gay community beyond her general across-the-board popularity. The closest I've ever seen was a ridiculous Netrumor about 15 years ago claiming she was really a man; she has also (incorrectly) been labelled a lesbian by some because of her successful efforts to keep her romantic life out of the public eye. If a source can be provided to support the suggestion that Enya is a gay icon I see no problem with the category remaining; I'd be interested in seeing where this comes from. 23skidoo 16:43, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * This gay icon thing (Project? Looks more like an article and a tenuous one at best) should be removed from Wikipedia. This is not a forum for political expression, it is an ENCYCLOPEDIA. It is just supposed to contain facts, not push an agenda.JettaMann 15:34, 27 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you for expressing your homophobia. ?? how is this homophobia? as a gay man my self i dont think enya would appreciate being called a gay icon, she doesnt really believe in lables which seek to distance themselves from being human.


 * You're welcome. Is 'My Friend Flicka' a bestiality icon, then? And if so, why should we care? Off to the mental disorders page with this line of argument. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.228.222.44 (talk) 20:48, 17 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I fail to see what's so political about gay icons. What agenda? (though I must add, that Enya is not a gay icon) Futurix 16:30, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is supposed to contain facts but this looks like some sort of personal favorites list one or a few people dreamt up. You're sitting here creating an article where people are going "Hugh Grant... ok! Justin Timberlake... nah. Cameron Diaz? Yipee!" I find it preposterous that an encyclopedia would contain drivel like this.JettaMann 05:30, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the issue here is that you are seeking to push an agenda of your own. Grendel 10:25, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Not defending anyone, but the "Gay icon project" did tend to lack citations or verification in all the examples I saw. If someone wanted to put Enya into a category of "People who enjoy ice cream" I'd have no trouble with that -- so long as there was a link or reference given to indicate that this is the case. Going back to the original point -- which was made more than a year ago, you'll notice -- if someone can provide a reputable source that indicates that Enya, for whatever reason, is considered a gay icon, I see no problem with it. If someone adds her to the category just cuz, then that violates either WP:OR or WP:NPOV. 23skidoo 16:02, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Singles links
Although I'm dubious about their validity myself, if anyone wants the CD singles links to stop from turning into red links, I suggest moving fast as several of those recently created articles (i.e. The Christmas EP) have already been marked for speedy deletion. I'd jump in there myself to expand some of them but I don't have time at the moment. 23skidoo 03:56, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I moved the singles links here. I agree that there is no real need for each single to have its own page. However, the user that created these pages had put the links at CD single, which I thought was inappropriate&mdash;so I moved the links here and marked CD single for deletion. In my opinion all the singles articles should really become redlinks, but that is probably best left to a VfD discussion rather than done through speedy deletes (unless there is already a policy regarding singles).  JeremyA 04:03, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I sent the creator of the stubs a PM as a courtesy. If he wants to create articles of each one, more power to him, though I do expect at least a few to get hit with VFD requests. I know of no policy against this. IMO at the present time only two Enya songs justify having their own articles: Orinico Flow and Only Time. I don't really see a need for 6 Tracks to have an article, or even the Christmas EP, so I won't complain if they go red. If the links do turn red, the linking should be removed. 23skidoo 18:35, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

The 2005 album rumors
We seem to have started a revert tug-of-war from someone who obviously wants to make a point regarding the rumors about the 2005 album. First off, the rumored title "Darker Shade of Autumn" (an earlier variation, "Darker SIDE of Autumn" was the result of a typo) originated from the www.enya.com discussion forum, and was never stated as being anything but a rumored title (hell, the release in 2005 is nothing but a rumor at this point) -- and this is clearly stated. Someone is now trying to change the title to "The Autumn Equinox Brings Change" which is a title I cannot find even rumored anywhere. (If someone can provide a link, please feel free to include it). I also removed the statement "several unreputable sources" as a violation of NPOV. Perhaps a third party can examine the situation so that we don't end up with a violation of the Three Revert Rule. Cheers. 23skidoo 15:52, 25 May 2005 (UTC)


 * There are more discussion forums where the "Darker Shade of Autumn" title is discussed: or  . However, these are still only rumours. No one is willing to reveal their source, and the discussion sometimes uses Wikipedia as reliable source, which is definitely not too wise on this specific topic. This seems as kind of trying to put pressure on the record company to release more info. If you compare the two links above, the contents of the album are quite different (length, additional videos or not etc.) - so no-one really knows or is willing to prove it somehow. Quite annoying. --Chrysalis 03:13, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Personally the rumored title seems a bit suspect because it sounds a bit too much like one of her songs from A Day without Rain. Incidentally, thanks for reverting yet another nonsense edit by that anon. The next one I see will result in a vandalism complaint being filed (for what good it'll do since it's just an IP). 23skidoo 05:39, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

"Never Grow Old"
With the amazing amount of info provided, why does it not mention that she did backing vocals for the Sinead O Connor song 'Never Grow Old'? It's kinda of interesting, and certainly informative. --Anonymous


 * Uh, wasn't it The Cranberries who sang that song? --Menchi 5 July 2005 22:19 (UTC)
 * Might have been a cover or another song. Sinead did record the song before the Cranberries were even formed. The anonymous commentor is more than welcome to add this missing information. 23skidoo 8 July 2005 21:30 (UTC)
 * The song is "Never GET Old", on Sinéad O'Connor's debut, The Lion And The Cobra. Enya does not sing, but reads six lines from Psalms 91:11-13 in Gaelic at the beginning, and this is then repeated several times later in the song.  The last two lines in English are (roughly) "You shall tread upon the lion and the cobra, you shall trample the lion and the great serpent" -- hence the album title.  I added this to the page. 152.36.65.212 21:30, 10 February 2006 (UTC)Dan Koster

Vocal profile?
An anony-editor just added this section which classifies Enya as a mezzo-soprano and has blank entries for her highest and lowest notes. I think this is cool -- but if these lines are going to remain blank I think the section may as well be deleted and the fact she's a mezzo be mentioned elsewhere in the article. Is there any source where one can actually get this information? Educated guesses would probably fall under original research. Thoughts? 23skidoo 04:48, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Also, I'd be curious if someone could expand on the "vocal recording technique" mentioned low on the page. I recall seeing her perform on the Tonight Show, and was intrigued by her use of two microphones, but haven't been able to find any information on the specifics. Is one out-of-phase with the other, or mixed with the other after a delay? Enquiring minds, and all that...
 * This assumes you saw one of her actual live performances and not one of her lip-synch ones. For the Tonight Show appearance (to perform Only Time) I believe she sang to a vocal track. The second mic might have been necessary to simulate the sound of a second voice. However most TV performances she gave (at least up until about 2001-02) were lip-synchs because it was considered impossible to replicate her sound. She started to do more live work with May it Be since it was a more straightforward single vocal, though she sounded rather quavery when she did the song at the Oscars. 23skidoo 22:46, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

I have a reference on her vocal range. It might not be the best one. . Tribal44 (talk) 02:32, 25 June 2009 (UTC)Tribal44
 * This is not a reliable source. It appears to be a customer review of an album and simply expresses one person's opinion: It seems to me that both Enya and Loreena sing in the mezzo-soprano range — Labalius (talk) 23:11, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Picture
Please read the discussion about the picture copyrights. It's on the discussion page for the picture itself.


 * Please sign your comments. As I stated on the discussion page in question, I uploaded the image with the understanding that it's fair use to use a screenshot as per current Wikipedia policy. 23skidoo 20:24, 11 September 2005 (UTC)


 * This photo is hideous, can't you afford something more up to date ? - enyafan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.238.46.34 (talk • contribs) 15:33, 1 October 2005


 * Afford? This isn't a catalogue. I made the image off a TV interview she gave at the height of her popularity. I think it's fine, but if someone thinks they find a better one, feel free -- just remember Wikipedia now has a zero-tolerance policy on images, so that means you need to have an air-tight case for fair use, which these days pretty much restricts us to using screen captures and CD covers. 23skidoo 15:54, 1 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Can someone donate a photo?, if DVD covers won't be used here, then I think we need a new one. Equinoxe 23:10, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The new image of Enya that has been uploaded is great, but it will be deleted quickly if someone doesn't add copyright licensing information to it soon. Wiki has adopted a zero-tolerance policy on this which has already resulted in several images being deleted from Kate Bush and other articles. I've dropped the uploader a PM on this, but if anyone else can provide the information that would be great, and would prevent the image from disappearing. 23skidoo 14:58, 26 October 2005 (UTC)


 * We should have a vote to see what picture is best suited for the article on Enya. Option A or Option B 20:44, 4 May 2007 (UTC)User:Jack Bhan


 * Right now, Option A still has an unclear license status, and it may be deleted tomorrow if it is not cleared up before then. -- P.B. Pilhet  21:29, 4 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The second option was deleted a few days ago; the first was deleted a while ago. — Andy W. (talk/contrb.) 01:55, 29 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Could we get a picture for this wonderful artist? Any picture would do for the top page. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.101.170.181 (talk) 10:45, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

Chart listing
I just noticed that someone added a list of Enya's chart hits, but only included Orinoco Flow. Are you sure Only Time and May it Be didn't also make the chart? I was under the impression both those songs scored on the charts, especially Only Time with its 9/11 connection. 23skidoo 15:35, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Amarantine?
Where the heck did this one come from? Someone is being creative.... 23skidoo 05:29, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
 * ...And that someone turns out to be Enya herself, as this is legitimate. I have reinstated the information about this album, with a link to Roma's announcement on the Unity forum. 23skidoo 05:00, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Privacy
I have just added information about the two recent security breaches at Enya's castle. I was suprised to find no previous mention in the article about Enya's reclusive nature, her want for privacy, and where she lives. As I said, I added information about the security breaches, but if someone else has the time, it would be a help to add a little more background to show why these incidents matter. --Daniel Lawrence 10:41, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree that it's a good idea to add a bit about this, but I'm unconvinced the security breaches are particularly noteworthy. Homes get broken into all the time. Were things stolen? Was Enya threatened? I'm leaving it in for now but I encourage you to provide a bit more detail as to why these events are significant (beyond the privacy question). I'm sure either of the links may provide the answer but the reader shouldn't have to go off-Wiki for that information. Cheers. 23skidoo 01:54, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Security beaches are noteworthy when a reported €250,000 (aprox. $300,000) have been spent on security. As for your "I encourage you to provide a bit more detail as to why these events are significant", that was the whole point of my message on this talk page.  Please note: "I was suprised [sic] to find no previous mention in the article about Enya's reclusive nature, her want for privacy, and where she lives"  and: "...if someone else has the time, it would be a help to add a little more background to show why these incidents matter."  I didn't do it myself because Wikipedia is a group effort, not a one-man crusade.  --Daniel Lawrence 09:13, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
 * You misunderstand me. I know you want others to write more about her reclusive nature, that has nothing to do with what I was requesting. Since you added the security breach and to be honest it still elicited a "who cares" from me. A security breach could mean anything from a paparazzi hanging around the garden to a guy invading Enya's bedroom ... to someone hacking into her computer. Agreed this is a team effort, but you should expand a little bit since you brought it up. Cheers. 23skidoo 11:52, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 23SkiDoo, you are policing this article--Daniel had a point, it isn't a one-man effort--why don't YOU try to find out what he's talking about if you don't like the lack of information and stop using your "who cares" reaction to gauge what is on the article. User:Julien_Deveraux 21:51, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that the information on security breaches does not belong to a "Solo career" section, because it is not a part of Enya's musical career. I would like to place a note like "Enya tries to keep her private life in the major secrecy" for example, in a "Personal life" section, but the "breaches paragraph" seems more aproppiate for a newspaper, or wikinews IMHO Equinoxe 18:15, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

"Enya is known for keeping a low profile and very private lifestyle". I don't think this sentence goes far enough, she more a recluse then someone who values their privacy. 86.45.46.23 (talk) 02:13, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

New Age music
The last batch of edits by Sidp were excellent, but I think it still needs to be said somewhere that Enya's music is often classified as New Age even though many fans -- and, it has been reported, Enya herelf -- do not consider her music to be part of the genre. I wish I could provide a source but the best I can come up with is a newspaper interview she gave back around 1989. 23skidoo 19:07, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Many years ago, I saw an interview with Enya where she said she was slightly offended at having her music classified as "New Age" since she herself is Catholic. (Was I dreaming? This article doesn't touch on Enya's religious beliefs, but if anything is known for certain it would be nice to add, no?) Anyway, it seems worthwhile to distinguish that her music is only classified as New Age, probably for lack of a better category. - Mecandes 21:27, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Enya's whole family is catholic- look at moya brennan (her sister). 216.67.6.237 (talk) 21:58, 29 July 2010 (UTC)


 * See Category talk:Roman Catholic musicians. The most relevant part from the interview being

"MK: When you go to church in Ireland, is it the church that you grew up going to?

Enya: Mmm hmm. It would be, yeah.

MK: Is it the - typical Roman Catholic stone church --

Enya: The old - yes, the one you were describing. Yes, exactly that." So she's at least a Christian who goes to a church that's architecturally like a Catholic church, but I think she meant she is Catholic. (It's not possible, or probably even necessary, to discuss whether she's orthodox or how observant she may be)--T. Anthony 18:24, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I also read an interview of her sister Moya Brennan, a staunchly Christian convert to Pentecostalism, where she talks of her music also being deemed New Age. Curiously her being more on the Evangelical end of Christianity meant she grudgingly accepted the classification as she hoped to "reach out to new age people" with her Christian messages.--T. Anthony 18:35, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Album stats question/issue
The last edits made to this page included stats that were supposedly pulled from the "Warner Album Stats October 2005". I reverted these edits back to the last set because I couldn't find anything online that had this name. If someone can provide me with an ISBN or a website that I can use to verify these stats, I do greatly appreciate it! (The removed text is below for future reference)


 * Enya has to date sold over 130 Million albums making her the best selling female solo artist of all time. (Warner Album Stats October 2005)


 * Enya achieved a breakthrough in her career in 1988 with the album Watermark, which featured the hit song "Orinoco Flow" (sometimes known as "Sail Away"). "Orinoco Flow" topped the charts in Britain, and the album sold 31 million copies.  Three years later she followed with another hit album: Shepherd Moons, which sold 20 million copies and earned Enya her first Grammy Award.  Despite winning Grammys for "Best New Age Album", Enya does not personally classify her music as belonging to that genre.  Four years later she released the Grammy-winning The Memory of Trees (1995).

Loxian
Although I don't know where the name for this invented language originated, the first review of the CD that I've seen -- in Billboard Magazine -- confirms that the CD does include two songs in an invented language. 23skidoo 16:37, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
 * k, just wanted to make sure we weren't delving into original-research territory. =) Thanks! -- Locke Cole ( talk )  (e-mail) 17:04, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I haven't seen any reference to what the name of the language is, so that part is still iffy, though I imagine it'll say on the CD when it comes out on Tuesday. I imagine enough advance copies are floating around now that, unless someone indicates otherwise, the name Loxian is probably correct. 23skidoo 17:19, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Just for the record, the name Loxian is indicated on the CD case. Apparently Roma Ryan has created the language for an upcoming book. 23skidoo 04:13, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Yep, I saw that as well, and added it to the Amarantine article. =) I guess since she uses her own font it kind of precludes ever having the lyrics on Wikipedia, heh. — Locke Cole ( talk )  (e-mail) 10:47, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
 * They do offer an English translation at least. I'm curious about this new book. 23skidoo 15:16, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

I clarified this part a bit, as well as the Wikipedia article for Loxian, based on a recent interview. - Mecandes 21:29, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Additional info on article -- album/single rankings
I'm going to be doing some work later tonight to attempt to make sure that the single rankings are up to speed and to create a table for album rankings. Information can be found and, in case anyone wants to get the jump on me. LOL (Amarantine is currently number 8 on the Billboard Top 100, so here's hoping that this one does as well as its predecessor). --Martin Osterman 17:15, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
 * That's excellent news. I just finished listening to it (I intentionally took a week to listen to it all since I know it could be another 5 years before we hear her next CD), and in my own personal ranking I'm placing it 3rd behind Watermark and Caribbean Blue. (Though Enya remains the only musical artist I've ever heard with a 100% success rate for me -- in other words I've yet to hear an Enya song I haven't liked). 23skidoo 17:19, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Tables have been added and updated for chart rankings. Revisions and comments are always welcome! --Martin Osterman 19:03, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Continued deletions of the break-in paragraph
I'd appreciate it if the anonymous editor who keeps deleting the newsworthy paragraph about the break-in at Enya's home would explain his/her rationale. Thanks. 23skidoo 13:34, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Explained in "Privacy". Cheers Equinoxe 18:08, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't understand what you're referring to. The break-ins were reported in the media and she's a celebrity. There's no expectation of privacy. 23skidoo 15:52, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, but those news were not a part of a "Solor career" section, which, IMHO, explains artistic achievements. That's why I created the "Personal life" section and changed the redaction of the paragraph, trying to make it less newspaper-looking :) Cheers, Equinoxe 15:40, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Moving it's fine. I was just against the deletion of the information. The personal life section is be a good place to discuss the castle and also the automobile accident she had in the mid-1990s which led rise to "Enya is dead" rumors that still pop up from time to time (I saw one on usenet only a year ago). The latest twist is some lookalike has been impersonating her for awhile (related to with alleged changes in her appearance since the early 1990s ... I dunno, looks like the same person to me!). Also, although she remains single I remember seeing an article on her during the ADWR publicity that she had a significant other... 23skidoo 15:44, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Too many images
I'm concerned that there are too many images in the article now. I recommend a couple of them be trimmed. 23skidoo 15:52, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Ronan Hardiman
Ronan Hardiman didn't compose the music for Riverdance - Bill Whelan did. Ronan Hardiman composed the Lord of the dance soundtrack. Was it Ronan Hardiman or Bill Whelan who released the album that has been mistakenly credited to Enya?

Boyfriend
Around the time ADWR came out one of the media stories about Enya mentioned that she had a boyfriend "of Spanish origin". Does anyone remember where this was referenced? A Google search reveals only a couple of fan sites, plus a dubious reference on the Enya Unity forum that appears to have been connected to some joke posting, so these aren't good references. But if we can find a good reference, this would be worth noting in the personal section. 23skidoo 16:30, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Discography
Hullo, I removed the part that had album covers and descriptions, since it was duplicated at Enya discography. I think it's easier to have just one place to edit; no synch issues. --KJ 13:01, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

"Phonetic"

 * Enya is a phonetic approximation of how Eithne is pronounced in her native Irish.

(I changed phonemic to phonetic in the article.)

Hi, the word "phonetic" isn't always used to talk about phonetics or phonology. As the phonetic alphabet article mentions, spelling alphabets are called phonetic as well, and a writing system described as a "phonetic alphabet" is most probably a phonemic one. The term "phonemic" is probably unfamiliar to anyone without a phonetics/phonology background, so I think using "phonetic" can be justified.

If you think the anchor "phonetic" should link to another article, I agree, but I can't think of where it should point to. --KJ 14:07, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The point of an anchor is for people who want to read more about it. The English alphabet functions quite well  as a phonemic alphabet in cases like this when people meet new words.  It is simply not capable of conveying phonetic information.  Normally I am in the "a word means what most people think it means" camp but in this case to combine the two words loses an important distinction.  Dejvid 17:29, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I tried to sidestep the issue by rephrasing. How does the current version look? :) --KJ 00:30, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It is the logical compromize. What can I say but great.Dejvid 00:43, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Having said that wouldn't Transliteration fit the bill a bit better?Dejvid 00:47, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Judging from Irish orthography, The letters in Eithne are all identical to the normal Latin ones, so I wouldn't call it transliteration. --KJ 00:59, 11 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Enya is a phonetic approximation of how Eithne is pronounced in her native Irish.

That's not even correct - 'Enya' is an approximation of how the name Aine is pronounced in (Donegal) Irish. I'm not sure how this fits in with her real name being listed here as Eithne, so I won't attempt to fix it, but the way it stands it's not right. Amanita 16:49, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * But couldn't Eithne be a homophone of "Enya"? I got the impression that Eithne could be pronounced as by reading the Irish orthography article. --Kjoonlee 07:40, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * See also A1. Who is Eithne? How to pronounce Eithne? at Enya FAQ - Unity - The Official Enya Forum. --Kjoonlee 07:48, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I think we should atcually put the IPA down ([ɛnʲə] to be precise, although from what I understand [e] can be used for English as a substitute)- it might help people more (or at least put a link to Irish Orthography) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.67.6.237 (talk) 22:01, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Old rumor
In 2004, Enya was reputedly working on her next album, but no release date had been set.

Should this line remain in the article? The article goes on to say that her next album was released in 2005, so it appears that not only has the speculation been confirmed, and the "no release date" is no longer true. Aardvark92 21:07, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's outdated material that got missed and should have been taken out when Amarantine was released. The confusion over the Japanese single - which resulted in Enya having to issue a rare public statement - is notable enough to keep, but this particular line can go. I'll remove it if no one else has already. (Never mind, looks like you beat me to it! ;) ) 23skidoo 22:44, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Personal life section...
A lot of the facts in this section do not have citations. If someone cannot find them, I am going to delete them in a few days. Also, the section seems like it doesn't seem to flow with the rest of the article.


 * Update* I have found a few sources contradicting some things in this section. For example, the article currently states that Enya listens to classical music. However I have found an article where Enya says she does not listen to music at all. In addition, some elements (such as the fact that her father owned a tavern) seem to be unecessary. As such, I am deleting the section --Bremkus 21:26, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I have not found anything about the music- I do think that the parts about stalkers are pointless, but I do remember something about the Brennan family tavern, although I couldn't actually site the source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.67.6.237 (talk) 22:06, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Birthday
I heard that she is born "May 17, 1961" on Celtic calendar, which is September or later of 1962. Does anyone know the correct date of her birthday (AD)?--Miya 01:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I also heard that. These following descriptions are submitted by ja:User:WildChild as sources:
 * Liners
 * Shepherd Moons (Sep. 1991) - "Enya will turn 29 this year".
 * The Celts (Oct. 8, 1992) - "born 30 years ago"
 * Memory of Trees (Nov. 6, 1995) - "born in 1962"
 * Paint the Sky with Stars-The Best of Enya (Fall 1997) - "born in 1962, 35 years old now"
 * Interviews
 * Interview by Mainichi Newspaper, Dec. 26, 2000 - "38 years old"
 * Featured Artists/Special Intaview on CDJournal Dec. 2005 - "born in 1962"
 * Those sources suggest Enya was born in September (or later) of 1962 in Gregorian Calendar. Would you someone please make research to find her correct birthday and why this kind of discrepancy occurs? Thanks! Yassie 14:05, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Song used on Green Card Movie
The song that is strongly used in the Green Card movie is "Storms in Africa", not "Exile"                                Eduardo Guerra, 9:25:00, 26 August 2006

No Link to "Orinoco Flow?"
Just curious, is there a reason that when "Orinoco Flow" is mentioned, there's no link to the article of the same name? (I already checked, and there is an article with that name, and it is talking about the same thing.) If there is a justification that is consistent with Wikipedia's guidelines, that's fine, obviously. But could someone tell me what that reason is, if there is one? Cool. Thanks guys.--24.2.82.167 01:33, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
 * If there's a link missing, add it. Probably what happened was whoever created the Orinoco Flow article forget to create links to it here or there was a redlink and someone removed it and the person who created the song article assumed it was still there. (This is why I oppose the wholesale removal of redlinks -- they are there for a reason). Anyway, I added the wikilink in question. 23skidoo 03:18, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Music section had wrong picture
The image of her singing "May It Be" in the Music Section was supposedly from the 2002 Oscar Presentations. It was not from that show. The dress she wore that night was red and she sang in front of a completely black background, not the silver gown with green background that was shown.

Name
Eithne and Enya were being used almost interchangeably in some sections so I standardized it all to "Enya." Hope no one minds. --Dmz5 07:16, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

IPA
I transcribed her name according to the Irish phonology page but I'm not sure if the transcription is accurate or not. Could anyone check it? -- Sergiusz Szczebrzeszyński    '  ' ' '' 04:02, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, I undid your edits to Enya and Maire Brennan.
 * IPA:
 * IPA:
 * Transcription should be based on speech sounds (phones) or phonemes, not translation from spelling to hypothetical sounds. I do think an IPA transcription (if done correctly) would be very nice. Maybe you could ask at the reference desks? Here's a link to the language desk. --Kjoonlee 07:39, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I got this answer Máire is /mˠaːrʲə/ and Eithne Patricia is /ɛnʲə pˠat̪ˠrʲəciə/. For good measure, their brother's name Pól is /pˠoːɫ/. Ní Bhraonáin is /nʲiː wɾˠiːn̪ˠaːn/. I broke the names up to make the IPA a little easier to read. For future reference, the article on Irish orthography treats this pretty thoroughly. --Limetom 11:22, 8 January 2007 (UTC)  Would it be okay to make the edit now? --  Sergiusz Szczebrzeszyński    '  ' ' '' 23:42, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi, thanks for making the effort. :) Here's the relevant wikicode with the proper template calls.
 * IPA: or
 * IPA:
 * Seeing the results, I personally think your transcription and Limetom's transcription are similar enough to justify using either one in the article, although I'd favour over . (I am a bit nervous, though, because User:Limetom's user page says he doesn't speak Irish...) --Kjoonlee 15:29, 9 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, thanks so much for the help! :D -- Sergiusz Szczebrzeszyński    '  ' ' '' 01:30, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Similar artists section
Is it worth having a "similar artists" section in the article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Equinoxe (talk • contribs) 16:55, 18 January 2007 (UTC).


 * I always thought it is useless and original research. Futurix 02:08, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, there's blateny no need for it.140.203.12.242 20:55, 4 May 2007 (UTC)Jack Bhan

Reference
There is a refference to Enya in a South Park episode where Stan's grandfather asks Stan to kill him because he is so old. Stan will not do this so his grandfather puts on a song by enya and says someting like, "This is what it is like being old," and Stan starts crying or something.... I think it should be in the article on Enya. OliverR 16:41, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

The song features in the episode "Death", and is a mock-up version of "Orinoco Flow". stuartyler 12:23, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Where should this information be placed in the article? OliverR 15:48, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it should be placed at all. --Lossenhilien 11:41, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I still don't understand why people think that when South Park makes a reference to anything that it is worthy of putting into an encyclopedia. 99.225.4.194 (talk) 17:33, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Why is it relevant to her? I really don't think its worthy of mention- seriously... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.67.6.237 (talk) 22:11, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Inconsistancy: Enya's favorite book
There are two instances which the article mentions Enya's favorite book. One refers to Rebecca being her favorite book, then toward the bottom, it is listed as The Lord of the Rings. I'm leaning toward Rebecca being her favorite, and The Lord of the Rings (which isn't even a single book, but three) is a wishful fan. Could someone please cite the correct one and delete the false one? Thank you. 67.183.158.238 02:31, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

I thought Rebecca was Enya's favourite black and white movie, and LotR was her favourite book(s). I read that on a fansite somewhere, however this is obviously insufficient evidence! All the references I have read in relation to "her favourites" have stated LotR as her favourite book(s).--Lossenhilien 11:37, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Is the answer at the FAQ page at enya.com? — Andy W. (talk/contrb.) 01:55, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * No, I looked; it is not; the page, however, is an excellent source to use for citations. I have used it a few times on the page already. — Andy W. (talk/contrb.) 02:08, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Incorrect trivia
According to this page, "On the last day of the Columbia mission STS-107 (which disintegrated during re-entry in February 2003), the crew woke up to the Enya instrumental "Silver Inches."

I visited the referring page and it actually says that the day of the disaster, the final day of the mission (where they were coming home), they listened to "Scotland the Brave" in the morning.

They had listened to Enya's song a day earlier. I'm not a regular on Wikipedia, so I submitted this to the talk page for you guys to review and (hopefully) correct. (69.117.31.179 07:49, 19 June 2007 (UTC))
 * Dear IP, I have corrected it already, if you did not notice. I restored your deleted text. I hope that is okay. — Andy W. (talk/contrb.) 13:30, 30 June 2007 (UTC)


 * On the trivia section, I have integrated it into the text. I did find some not easily referenced and some that seemed quite irrelevant to Enya. I deleted them, but if you feel they should be restored, please revert my edits. — Andy W. (talk/contrb.) 22:01, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Explanation for undo
I undid some revisions by User:Equinoxe, but I restored how he renamed the official site name and moved the clannad picture down. I did not agree with the placement of the picture that removed the logo and name. Furthermore, the picture was too big and, generally, a portrait is most suitable, not a cover of a video collection. If anyone disagrees with my edits, please voice them. — Andy W. (talk/contrb.) 14:45, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Enya's music in a documentary
It was in something about cruelty towards circus animals. Here's the video: The songs were "Fairy Tale" and "Triad: St. Patrick".

Owned studio
This English from the "Musical Upbringing" section doesn't make sense and I don't know what exaxtly it's saying to change it. Enya then owned studio, named "Aigle", which is French for "Eagle". --WPaulB 20:05, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Fan sites in external links
I removed a French language-only fan website from the external links. A link to it was already available from the French version. I also notice that there is a site only in Italian. Is there a reason for this to be kept - ie, why it hadn't been removed because it's not available in English to an English reader)? --WPaulB 16:08, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Non-free tag
This tag was added around this time; I commented it out because the tagger did not specify why on the talk; the pictures do have fair use rationale. — Andy W. (talk/contrb.) 14:49, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Enya is not New Age
Or maybe you know better then she does? --HanzoHattori 16:15, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Enya's record label identifies her as New Age (at least here in the US), even though she herself doesn't officially support it. New Age is really the closest genre to match her style of music.  As far as her article is concerned, it doesn't matter what we (her "fans") say, it's what her label says. --  P.B. Pilhet  17:11, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * "Partly due to some artists' open affiliation with various New Age beliefs, other artists and bands have specifically stated that they do not consider their own music to be New Age - although their work may be labelled that way by record labels, music retailers, or radio broadcasters." - she says it's not, right? It's just a wrong label, a misinterpretation - and spreading this on Wikipedia certainly doesn't help. --HanzoHattori 12:29, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The very New Age music article says: "This is somewhat problematic for two reasons: first, artists like Enya, Vangelis and Tangerine Dream's Edgar Froese stated that they do not consider their music to be New Age, some of them perceiving "New Age music" as a genre necessarily connected with the religious movement." It's kinda like if people ("record labels, music retailers, or radio broadcasters") would hijack other people's music as a "scientologist music" or whatever - this is just stupid. --HanzoHattori 12:34, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Her music is best described as a "New Age" type of music, although she does not consider it New Age. Her music is marked as New Age and her awards are given as New Age. Also, not all New Age music is religious. Please consider what user P B Pilhet above had to say. — Andy W. (talk/contrb.) 19:03, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

This is a longtime sore spot for Enya fans (I should know, having been one for 20 years). The problem is her music doesn't fit into any pigeonhole. It's not New Age. it's not Celtic, either. It's put in the New Age category just for the lack of a better category. If she wasn't she might not have been able to receive those Grammy Awards. 68.146.41.232 20:15, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

When I think of 'New Age,' I think of Gregorian chants and birdsong music; on my iTunes account, I re-labeled the genre of my 5 songs by her and Loreena McKennit to Irish, but that is not a genre. On Amazon MP3, she is listed under 'Celtic New Age,' a subset of the New Age genre. However, as it is officially listed as New Age, I think wikipedia should too (especially since I can't think of anything else for it) while keeping her oppinion on it too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.67.6.237 (talk) 22:18, 29 July 2010 (UTC)


 * LOL. If she doesn't want her music to be labled "new age" then maybe she should consider writing and recording some music that doesn't sound just like new age music.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.206.183.52 (talk) 05:48, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Rumored Christmas 2007 album
I've heard the same "she told a Japanese interviewer" rumors elsewhere about an apparent new CD coming out for Holiday 2007. But there is abolsutely nothing on her official website or on Google to suggest any such release is forthcoming, especially since a Christmas CD would have to be released within the next month to properly capitalize on the holiday shopping market. This isn't the first time a report from Japan ended up being erroneous -- you'll recall the "false alarm" a couple of years back that forced Enya herself to issue a clarification that no new album was coming out right away, despite a press release saying otherwise from Warner Japan. If the rumors have been published, there's not much we can do, but unless a reputable source can be cited that a Christmas CD is in fact coming out imminently, I think this reference should be removed, for now. 68.146.41.232 20:15, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Background color
The background of Enya's infobox should be khaki, not silver, as silver is largely used in deceased people's articles, Enya i still alive and well.

Therefore, i'm changing it to khaki, and anyone who thinks otherwise, please atate your argument here please.

Thanks, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.203.12.240 (talk • contribs) 18:44, 13 November 2007

Removed material re: alleged Christmas album
I removed a blatant POV statement regarding Enya's alleged silence regarding the alleged Christmas CD. I have also added a citation request for the alleged Japanese interview in which she allegedly said that a CD was forthcoming. I haven't been able to find such an interview anywhere. I also deleted a reference link that only went to a general information page that had nothing authoritative to say about this subject. 23skidoo (talk) 03:45, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Donegal dialect
Shouldn't this be Ulster Dialect? The Irish language has provincial dialects, and I know Ulster dialect is one (Because I learned it in school for one), shouldn't it say Ulster Dialect (her province) and not Donegal dialect (her county)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.70.241.30 (talk • contribs) 15:21, 4 January 2008

Death grindcore??
"Much of her music shows influence of some Irish music and classical music with a touch of death grindcore." What?? Is this some kind of joke?? Enya's music is anything BUT "death grindcore"! Please explain before I delete it. --Lossenhilien (talk) 10:12, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * hurfdurf. --Comment was signed by a bot that removes the need to sign anything.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.43.136.10 (talk) 04:04, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Another new album rumor
According to the forum at enya.com (which is not moderated by anyone officially connected to Enya, I must note), a Spanish "coming soon" catalogue reportedly has a new Enya album listed for release in September 2008. I am very hesitant to add this to the article, because so far all we have is a single catalogue's word for it and nothing announced from Enya, her label, or any what I'd call "domestic" source, which for Enya means the UK or USA. I'm mentioning it here just for the record, as following last year's fiasco involving the Christmas CD (which by all accounts was a rumor sparked by a single Japanese news report and never actually supported by anyone connected with Enya) it is probably helpful to know another wildcat rumor is likely to erupt. But let's wait till someone officially actually confirms it before adding the information to the article. I'll be adding a commented-out note or two to the article on this subject as well. 23skidoo (talk) 17:42, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Enya's accent
Just checking out this interview http://www.rte.ie/tv/latelate/20060324.html - what the hell kind of accent is that? Certainly not a Donegal (or Dublin-tempered Donegal) one. Sounds French-Canadian almost. Any explanation for that? DublinDilettante (talk) 02:55, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * That is a good question Dilettante. I'm from Gweedore, the same place where Enya is from, and her accent is quite the hot topic around here when she appears on tv or radio. In Donegal, and also Gweedore, a lot of people have no time for Enya, and it's a lot to do with her unusual behaviour and even more unusual accent. But, I suppose that's besides the point! Her Gweedore accent creeps in there the odd time. When Enya speaks Gaelic, she has a very strong Gweedore accent, see http://youtube.com/watch?v=KBdgtAiXC6E . Interesting point!--MaxPride (talk) 05:12, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Enya fans resentful?
I removed this bit: Many Enya fans, however, are resentful that her music has been linked with the attacks; an example of this occurred on a 2002 appearance on CNN's Larry King Live when images of battle in Afghanistan were shown on screen as she performed "May It Be," a song with little war connection. Because while the appearnce on Larry King Live certainly did occur, the resentfulness does not appear to be supported by any sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.144.137.131 (talk) 10:53, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Removed Tautology
Removed pointless word to save space. It said "second ONLY to U2". If it is second, then it's not second to more than one thing - obviously. So it's unnecessary to say only :) That way you can save space on the internet for people wanting to save gigs. --118.92.115.166 (talk) 04:01, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

New album
Both Play.com and Amazon.com are now listing an untitled new album for release on either 10 or 11 November 2008. Before anyone jumps ahead and decides to create an article on this record, please note that the current atmosphere in Wikipedia is that untitled albums are usually nominated for AFD on sight (see WP:HAMMER). I would strongly recommend no article on the new album be made until a title is announced. Also, at the risk of being a spoilsport, we've gone down this route before and until there is an official announcement, even the Amazon and Play listings cannot be taken as 100% authoratative. Just ask anyone who is still waiting for the North American release of the Enya Video Collection DVD, which was officially announced, was listed on Amazon, but was never issued over here. 23skidoo (talk) 14:40, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * We now have a title! And Winter Came. However there still needs to be some proper sourcing regarding some of the details coming out about the album and we need to avoid speculation. But at least we won't have a repeat of 2007's false alarm! 23skidoo (talk) 18:33, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Religion
There was no need to delete the Category Irish Roman Catholics that I added and say it wasn't relevant. This is an article about a singer as well as a biography. The singer performed at the Vatican in 1995. She is also a practicing Roman Catholic and was married in a Catholic Church. So is Pierce Brosnan (who was also married in a Catholic Church in Ireland), and he has that category on his page.

You can't just delete something because you don't like it. I will be adding some more information about that special performance on her page. Also, she has described herself as being a "devout Roman Catholic". I will be adding the link to the articles or interviews citing this. But, the singer's faith is already well known. You can be a Catholic and be a "new-age" musician. New Age doesn't just refer to pagans, etc. It has to do with her culture's history. Old earth religions are accepted as being aspects of One God.

This seems like it was deleted because someone has a problem with Roman Catholics or Catholicism in general.

Please stop deleting categories just because you don't want to accept a person's religion. This is a biography, and as such, a person's faith (if he or she has one) is included. --CreativeSoul7981 (talk) 20:00, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Here is an excerpt from one article. I have the work cited after the quote, but not the exact pages from the Seattle-Post Intelligencer article. A similar article appeared in the LA Times. I got this information off this website, then looked up the article. Website    http://enyabookofdays.com/Articles/PTSWS_13.HTM

QUOTE:

Last Christmas, Enya sang for the Pope. This Christmas Eve, she'll perform live on a British television show, and then fly to County Donegal in time to make midnight Mass with her family. She sings in her mother's choir. She's no star, there. She just sneaks in, takes her place, opens her mouth. ``I just love being around them,'' Enya says of hometown family and friends. ``Catching up, you know.''

Sullivan, Jim. "Avoiding Limelight Adds to Enya's Allure." Seattle-Post Intelligencer 13 Dec. 1997

As a previous poster said, she really doesn't like her music to be categorized as New Age in the sense that it gets mistaken for other New Age type music attributed to people who are non-Christian. She doesn't want to be classified as such. Since the woman clearly attends mass with her family, how is she NOT Catholic exactly?

Please stop removing this category. She is an Irish-Catholic. --CreativeSoul7981 (talk) 20:21, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

What!!? Yes, I know her family is Catholic, and I don't deny that- what you said makes little sense to me; are you confusing this with Moya Brennan (her sister)? I hadnt heard Enya was married ever...

Ok, I just sent an e-mail to the person who is removing the Irish Catholics category from the Enya and Pierce Brosnan articles. This doesn't make any sense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_catholic   According to this definition, both belong to this category. How can we have people's pages on Wikipedia with categories for Anglicans (mostly English people, actors, musicians, lawyers, famous people, etc. who are belong to the Anglican church), Episcopalians, Presbyterians, etc., but cannot have any person on here belong to the Irish Catholic category. This isn't just a category for Irish priests, Irish Catholic writers, Irish Bishops, etc. That's ridiculous and comes across as a Double Standard.

What is going on here? Just because a Category isn't as large as American Protestants or something, doesn't mean you can not include someone in it. It just so happens that if you click on American Catholics, which will give you a list of those in that category, you will get to the bottom of the page where it has a category for Catholics by Nationality. Each Category, Irish Catholics, Polish Catholics, etc. should include anyone who is of that ethnicity belonging to that Category.

I feel that there are some bigoted people on here. Why the Double Standard?

And I'm not starting a war, so please don't threaten me with being banned. I will just nicely and politely communicate through the e-mail feature, and take it up in this section and the dispute section.

Also, if there is proof of a person belonging to this category or if a celebrity has indicated what their faith is, I don't see why this shouldn't be included in a biography page for that person.--CreativeSoul7981 (talk) 21:00, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I see that there is a separate category for ENGLISH CATHOLICS. Apparently this Irish Catholic category is different than this one, because when I type specifically IRISH CATHOLICS, no such category exists. There is a Category for AMERICAN CATHOLICS as well. Why not for other nationalities? Can we request to add one?
 * Dispute***

Can a moderator clear the confusion here? I won't make any edits, but I would like to request a Category be added for IRISH CATHOLICS. There are many celebrities, and other notable people who are known for being IRISH CATHOLIC, and I would like to add their names to the list. I have added a link for proof that Enya is a practicing Catholic, and I will be happy to look for more and contribute to her article, with sources to back it up.

Can someone please settle this? I am happy to engage in a civil discussion. I don't use foul language, and welcome other input and good discussion. I'm just making sure it's clear I'm not out to defile a page or something. Right now I am working on added to some articles, and also contributing sources and links to verify the information.--CreativeSoul7981 (talk) 21:31, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi CreativeSoul7981. First, noone is disputing that Enya is a self-identified, practicing Roman Catholic.  There is a category for Irish Roman Catholics - Category:Irish Roman Catholics.  As can be seen on that category page, it is for inclusion on pages where the person is or was a member of "the Roman Catholic Church, either past or present for whom their membership was or is a defining characteristic or related to their notability."  That guideline comes from WP's rules on biographies, here.  Enya is notable for being a musician and singer, not because she happens to be a Catholic.  That is why the category is being removed.


 * The same rule, incidentally, should and does apply to all other religious categories, whatever the person's religion or nationality. I don't patrol those other categories because they've never ended up on my watchlist.


 * Lastly, just a note on formatting - please don't include a string of dashes between your posts, it shows up as a html line when you save. Bastun BaStun not BaTsun 23:08, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The go ahead then?--Theosony (talk) 08:10, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Okay, it's been several months, but I thought I'd reiterate the reason why a Catholic category should be added. According to Wikipedia's website as you mentioned:

Category tags regarding religious beliefs and sexual orientation should not be used unless two criteria are met: The subject publicly self-identifies with the belief or orientation in question; The subject's beliefs or sexual orientation are relevant to the subject's notable activities or public life, according to reliable published sources. Caution should be used in adding categories that suggest the person has a poor reputation (see false light). For example, Category:Criminals (or its subcategories) should only be added for an incident that is relevant to the person's notability; the incident has been published by reliable third-party sources; the subject was convicted; and the conviction was not overturned on appeal.

I think the Irish Romanc Catholic category should be included since it IS notable that Enya is Catholic. First of all, her music is spiritual, and her religion is part of her spirituality. She also found it very important to perform at the Vatican for Pope John Paul II. Isn't that PUBLIC enough for Wikipedia? So, Enya meets the Criteria for "subject publicly self-identifies with the belief in question". "The subject's beliefs are relevant to the subjects notable activities or public life."

And if you're talking reliable sources, last I checked, the Vatican is a reliable source. Her performance was also taped live. There are plenty of American actors with the American Roman Catholic category. Does this not fit the criteria, then? --CreativeSoul7981 (talk) 04:05, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


 * The category was actually added back quite some time ago and hasn't been removed since. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 14:08, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Please stop removing this category. This was already discussed at length. Enya herself has mentioned her religion and the fact that she performed at the Vatican for Pope John Paull II among other Roman Catholic artists, like Charlotte Church, is proof enough. It is well known that she is Roman Catholic.--CreativeSoul7981 (talk) 20:33, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Last year, I added a link to an article in which Enya states she is a practicing Catholic and goes to Mass with her family. Here is another link (I think the other one is above). http://www.musicandmeaning.com/site/enya_ksca_2.html  Please STOP removing this category. The interview: MK: Ahhh (a kind of sigh). I was practically in tears, and it's not an overly dramatic movie, but it was such a sad sentiment. Ah, Watermark, the album that you'll find that one on by Enya. We were talking a little bit about church, and how people perceive you to be a very spiritual person, with your music. And uh, so you were raised Roman Catholic? Enya: Yes, I was. Yes. MK: And ah -- Enya: And ah, at the -- for me, I've derived from religion -- what, um, I enjoy. And it's to go to church, but usually um, when there's nobody else there. I just love that moment, ah, to just sit there. It's very peaceful, very calm, and very therapeutic, and it's -- wonderful. MK: When you go to church in Ireland, is it the church that you grew up going to? Enya: Mmm hmm. It would be, yeah. MK: Is it the -- typical Roman Catholic stone church -- Enya: The old -- yes, the one you were describing. Yes, exactly that. MK: Because, I -- I fall into this trap too -- I think, "Oh, well Enya: of course she's exactly like her music," and there's candles going in every room, and you probably live in this big stone castle. . . ah, how close to your music are you really? I mean, are you this ethereal, new age woman? (Laughs) Enya: Um, it's um -- there's a combination. Because I'm very spiritual, but I have a great love for melody. This is very strong for me when I'm in the studio working. Um, I just -- I love a strong melody. And, I've heard this in Irish traditional music. . . in classical music. . . and again in hymns -- it's very beautiful -- and, so therefore it's, um, it's strange because when I'm in the studio, it's very different to, um, my private sort of lifestyle. Because a lot of people tend to think that because I need all this time on my own in the studio, that I need time on my own, period. And that's not really true.

She is a notable spiritual singer, has publicly stated several times she is a practicing Roman Catholic, and has performed for Pope John Paul II - televised. --CreativeSoul7981 (talk) 23:58, 11 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Being, in your opinion, "well known" is not a substitute for reliable sources in a BLP. Nor should it be necessary to refer to a BLP's talk pages to find actual biographical information supporting inclusion in a category, especially if the use of the category is discouraged in BLP guidelines except in specific cases. If she is so well known as a Catholic singer, and has so openly identified as such, perhaps it should be mentioned, you know, some place in her biographical article? Perhaps if you were to devote more time to making or maintaining the article improvements promised in your post of 20:00, 15 September 2008 (UTC), and less time questioning the motives of other editors, this would become less of an issue. And hopefully we can see a better source for the importance of Catholicism in her life than the 14 year old KSCA interview, which speaks as much to "spirituality" as to Catholicism. Fat&amp;Happy (talk) 00:31, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Woa. First of all, I wasn't an attacking you. I never singled you out in particular, so I don't know why you decided to pick on me. If you notice, other people on Wikipedia have been wondering Enya's religion, and some have been wondering about these sudden deletions of categories. Secondly, this issue was resolved a long time ago, but recently people seem to be ignoring this and taking off all the Irish Roman Catholic categories off pages for no good reason (it really seems to mostly be the removal of Irish Catholic categories more than any other religious category on Wikipedia for some reason). I noticed this removal because this page has recently been added to my watch list. You know, I had forgotten about this particular edit because, well, sometimes life gets in the way and sometimes people forget. It wasn't a deliberate negligence on my part (but thanks for assuming that). When you see people removing all the Roman Catholic categories on people's pages, you start "questioning motives". It seems like some people just want to put Enya in this New Age box, and ignore any other spiritual tones to her music. I had another link put up in which she states going to Christmas Mass - finding that interview again will take time. I don't know why a musician's discussion of her spirituality in her music and her strong Catholic faith aren't important enough to be included on her biographical page. She has been open about her faith and spoken about performing for the Pope. I'd say that is notable. Does it matter that the interview is from 1996? It's a reliable source - there is no interview where she has stated she is no longer a practicing Catholic. Is it only reliable if a person puts out a statement every year that they are Catholic? I do agree that more information on her background should be included on her page. I am working on editing several pages on Wikipedia this summer, and I will add more family biographical information on Enya's page as I do more research. I actually have more quotes from an interview, but I have trouble locating the article. I hope to ask my friends from Ireland to help me find it before posting it on her biography. It's actually not very easy to find biographical books or recent articles on her--CreativeSoul7981 (talk) 04:14, 12 May 2010 (UTC).


 * I never indicated you were attacking me. I do point out that a quick review of the discussion above shows your primary argument to be "I said it; everybody knows it; that settles it. The people removing the category must have an anti-Catholic bias." That isn't the way Wikipedia is supposed to work. If you consider it "picking on" you to point out that improving the article by including reliably sourced statements regarding her religion and its influence on her work might be more helpful than such doctrinaire statements and generalized questioning of motives ... shrug.


 * The reason the Category:Irish Roman Catholics category seems to get deleted more often than other, similar categories might well be related to the description and "guidance" on the category page; compare that to, e.g., the description on the Category:American Roman Catholics page. Personally, I find the American inclusion standards a bit loose and the Irish ones a bit tight, but that's what they're stated to be. Some uniformity, coming from the BLP Project and/or the Religion Project would probably be helpful, but until that is forthcoming I have to edit based on the stated rules for the article or category concerned.


 * Though I mentioned it as an aid in identification, the date of the interview is not my primary concern; I question the reliability of the source somewhat, and as mentioned previously consider the mentions of Catholicism to be brief and inconclusive when used to justify inclusion under the category's "guidance". Even as to the performance before the Pope, per se, I would point out that both Neil Diamond and Barbra Streisand have released Christmas albums, with Streisand even singing the "Ave Maria"; entertainers entertain. Fat&amp;Happy (talk) 05:23, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

I apologize if it sounded like I was singling you out, when I wasn't. I actually agree with the Neil Diamond and Barbara Streisand statement. However, Enya has stated publically that she is a practicing Roman Catholic when discussing her music. She was also requested to perform for the Pope. I think that is a bit different than a musician putting out a Christmas album. I was merely trying to point out the fact that people seem to be mostly removing the Irish Catholic categories - even when that person is a notable Catholic and fits the criteria stated on the category page. It's ridiculous to have two different set of rules for different nationalities. Even Nicole Kidman who has publically stated she's a practicing Roman Catholic is listed under Australian Roman Catholics. So, according to some people, only Irish priests and bishops (or saints) belong on the Irish Roman Catholic list? Whether some people want to admit it or not, there are those who have an obvious bias and want to just leave the category out of a notable person's page. I provided the best reliable source I could find right now. I have some more quotes from Enya herself about her faith and music, but I am having trouble locating the article/interview it came from. I am working on improving her Wikipedia page, and hope to add more information soon. Thank you for further clarifying your statements and engaging in this discussin. Peace.--CreativeSoul7981 (talk) 19:15, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Just a quick note to say that I have some Enya information I hope to add to her article page by this week in regards to this topic. I will be using the sources I added to this discussion, as well as any others that I find. I think I found some good information on her family background, but I need to check the sources on that. CreativeSoul7981 (talk) 23:08, 15 May 2010 (UTC)


 * We need actual sources that this a notable and verifiable enough thing to be worth noting on a biography of a living person. Once we have them and there's a consensus here to include it, we can put it in. Not until then, I'm afraid. --John (talk) 03:26, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Like this? http://www.enyabookofdays.com/articles/ptsws-12.htm ""It's difficult when you've been brought up Catholic," Enya says, "to turn completely away from it. What I found in my 20s was I got more involved with the spiritual side of it. I've been known to go to church when there's nobody else there. It's very therapeutic when it's quite empty. It's so hard in a moment of despair not to say a prayer. Instead of abandoning (Catholicism), which is impossible to do, I kind of tried to turn it around and make it work for me. There is this calmness that is absolutely wonderful." Clearly she is a Catholic, right out of her own mouth. Enough of this anti-Catholic BS please. There are a billion of them out there, and Enya is one of them.--207.194.4.123 (talk) 06:25, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. Someone else seems to catch the bias that is going around on Wikipedia. I understand needing verifiable sources to show how religion is part of a person's notoriety, but clearly these have been provided several times already. Enya herself has said that her Catholic faith plays a part in her music - that is notable. I have provided additional sources, but I wanted to let readers know that I am working on adding other information to her biography, not just references to her faith. CreativeSoul7981 (talk) 10:12, 29 December 2010 (UTC)


 * "My influences are with Irish music, church music and classical music," she says in a 1997 interview.[41]

In addition to performing for the Pope, the singer participated in a live broadcast on British television for Christmas Eve in 1997, before she flew home to County Donegal to join her family at midnight Mass.[41] She still sings in her mother's choir every Christmas at midnight Mass, at St. Mary's Church.[42]

We have already gone over this category. Enya has repeatedly stated that she has been heavily influenced by Church music, and her faith is a part of her just as much as her music is. Please stop removing a category that is related to her biography. She is also known for performing for the Pope. CreativeSoul7981 (talk) 21:28, 25 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I will refer to this quote that is in the Enya article':

CreativeSoul7981 (talk) 21:49, 25 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I just noticed that this quote that I added over a year ago was removed from the article with no discussion on the talk page. That is why the Irish Catholic category was later removed. Please do not remove this content without discussion. Thank You. CreativeSoul7981 (talk) 22:13, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Re; her death
"and died tragically from a fatal swan attack in 2008" Terrible, terrible news...we're all in shock. Perhaps citing a source would help this bitter pill go down more easily —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.2.9.111 (talk) 15:55, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Wtf?? :\ Tribal44 (talk) 16:52, 6 October 2008 (UTC)Tribal44


 * Its called vandalism. Knowledgeum : Talk  18:43, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Wow... If you know that its fake thats really hilarious. ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.67.6.237 (talk) 04:17, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Awards POV
I often remove the phrases "...-award nominated/winning" from articles, most especially from the lead sentence, as mentioning awards in lead sentence highlights them over other content in the article. In this article, I removed an instance of the above from this article, albeit not from the lead sentence, but I believe it was still an appopriate removal. I do not dispute the film mentioned winning or being nominated for awards: I removed the awards mention because referring to the film as "Oscar-award winning" immediately paints it in a positive light (the same way saying "box-office disaster" would paint it in a negative light), therefore not adhering to the neutral point of view and is POV. I could revert the revert, but I'd rather not get into any edit wars: I'd rather explain myself here instead first. Thank you. Acalamari 23:59, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's now been roughly a week since I posted the above, and I've decided to re-remove the content I removed a week ago, plus some more awards over-weight that I found in the article. I hope that, if someone does object and has a reason that counters what I said above, they'll discuss rather than revert me again. Thanks. Acalamari 20:35, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

vocals
i had a source, and it was deleted. just because someone disagrees doesn't mean it had to be deleted, even if it was properly sourced or not. and this one was properly sourced! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.160.184.113 (talk) 00:43, 16 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I neither agree nor disagree with your evaluation of Enya's vocal type. I do not have the technical expertise to make that judgement and neither does James Kullander, the person whose website you have cited to support your assertion that Enya's vocal type is Mezzo-soprano. Kullander does not claim any such expertise, as you can see on his About page. On Enya's vocal type, he says: "I’ve learned that her voice, which lured me from the start, is classified as a mezzo-soprano with an alto range, which she records in layers as many as eighty times for one song." He does not state where he learned this from. He could have read this on Wikipedia for all we know, even from one of your own edits. Please read and try to understand the importance of Wikipedia's guidelines on verifiability and reliable sources — Labalius (talk) 22:46, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Discograpghy Change
Somebody keeps changing her discography to things she hasn't even released yet! Please do something about it, I changed it back once, but I dont know how to do it a faster way. Thank you--68.32.99.58 (talk) 05:56, 12 January 2010 (UTC)Hayden White

The Corrs
Isn't Enya related in some way to the Corrs? If so, wouldn't it be worth a mention?Tjandspallan (talk) 19:03, 26 May 2010 (UTC)


 * No, she isn't. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 11:57, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Verify IPA representation of Padraigín
I updated Enya's middle name to the Irish Padraigín from the English Patricia. This necessitated an update to the Irish IPA as well. Can someone who is fluent in Irish please verify that the new IPA for Padraigín is correct? KplFlUSA (talk) 09:15, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Irish Roman Catholic category
The category 'Irish Roman Catholics' keeps getting added to this article. This is a violation of WP policy. WP:BLP is the policy in question.

The Category:Irish Roman Catholics page itself states: "Members of the Roman Catholic Church, either past or present for whom their membership was or is a defining characteristic or related to their notability and where the person has self-identified as a Roman Catholic."

The WP:BLPCAT policy states: "Categories regarding religious beliefs or sexual orientation should not be used unless the subject has publicly self-identified with the belief or orientation in question, and the subject's beliefs or sexual orientation are relevant to their public life or notability, according to reliable published sources." (My emphasis added).

Enya's Roman Catholicism is not in dispute. However, she is notable due to her music, not her religion. Nobody thinks of Enya as 'That famous Catholic', they think of her as 'That famous musician.' If she wasn't a famous musician, she wouldn't warrant a WP entry. Please stop adding the category in breach of policy. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 15:50, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I have removed the category again. The current description (and policies cited above) seem to require that the religious identification be "a defining characteristic or related to (her) notability". I do not see anything to support this being the case. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 18:14, 10 June 2014 (UTC)


 * It was added again, and I've removed again. Unfortunately the editor in question doesn't appear willing to engage outside of edit summaries. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 14:13, 13 June 2014 (UTC)


 * And again... Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 13:10, 18 June 2014 (UTC)


 * And again... DeoGratias5, if "Jewish entertainers" have that as a category, feel free to remove it (although there's the whole religion/ethnicity around Judaism, so it's not quite a direct corollary). WP:BLPCAT is clear. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 14:07, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

The editor has violated their edit warring warning. If that noticeboard weren't such a pain in the ass, they'd be blocked right now. I've given them a final warning for disruptive editing. AIV is soooo much easier to use. The next restoration of the category without discussion on this talk page (even with the fake claim to have discussed it...) will result in a block. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 17:00, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Reverted again. Submitted to AIV. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 18:04, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
 * User:Deogratias5 has been indefinitely blocked. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 03:38, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

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, I feel like it's unnecessary to write 'Enya' and then 'Enya Brennan'; it's quite common for singers to only use their first names, so this isn't something we need to draw attention to (see for example the Adele article). And since this is the English Wikipedia, it makes sense to give the English form of her name first, and then the Irish form. Zacwill ( talk ) 14:41, 13 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Ok - what you other people think? This is an encyclopedia after all - getting quickly from the "stage name" of the article title, to her actual name. What do others think. :: Kevinalewis  : (Talk Page) /(Desk)  14:53, 13 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I say we put Enya Brennan first. LowSelfEstidle (talk) 13:25, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

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 * Enyasweet.jpg

Needs an infobox photo.
I don't know what happened to the main photo, but this page really needs one that's updated and not from the 1980s or 1990s. Page looks "naked" without one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8805:5800:13EB:AC21:59D5:6496:698E (talk) 18:06, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree completely, though have been unable to locate one that has an open copyright to use. If anybody has any ideas about this, it would be a welcome add. --- FULBERT (talk) 13:04, 30 December 2018 (UTC)


 * What about this one?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8805:5800:13EB:425:8D67:587C:C561 (talk) 19:52, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Revert
I have reverted today's edits by because they were apparently reverts of recent edits, such as parameter changes in templates. I noticed he restored the assertion that Enya has never undertaken a concert tour, without explaining why that is not a contradiction with what the rest of the article says. Elizium23 (talk) 18:08, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Wording needs to be changed.
"Enya is known for her privacy and has never undertaken a concert tour." Both are true, but this wording implies a causal relationship. Yes, Enya is indeed known for her privacy, and no, she hadn't had a concert tour. But she has occasionally said she'd like to have a tour. Apparently, the complexity of duplicating her music on stage, in real-time, is the problem. I think we should re-write this so as not to imply that her love of privacy keeps her from touring. 2601:1C2:4E02:3020:3CC6:6FEE:380C:D291 (talk) 05:10, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I am not sure what is going on. Promotional tours are mentioned several times. Do these refer to "press junket" type things or live concerts? I deleted the assertions that she has never undertaken a tour, because apparently she has, several times. Elizium23 (talk) 20:04, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Press junkets. Although she has done one-off performances here and there, she has (as of 2021) never undertaken an actual performance tour (not counting anything she may have done with Clannad early on). 70.73.90.119 (talk) 13:31, 7 April 2021 (UTC)