Talk:Ernst Toch

Compositions
I'm going to complete the list of works sections bit by bit.--Roivas (talk) 16:41, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Sort of confused regarding where to put the reference number. Maybe it's not needed.--Roivas (talk) 16:44, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I have a book that has what may be, if not truly complete (but maybe it is), a very thorough works list, and added all the information in there except arrangements of other composers’ works. The book is cited. I included publishing dates because sometimes they are much later than composition date (and in at least one case make opus numbers non-chronological) but this is not conventional I don’t think, on Wikipedia, so feel free to remove them if it seems unhelpful/trivial. Some of these works have German titles that are not always listed in this book I think... since they are likely to be known by German names as well, if anyone knows what they are...

I’m hoping someone more qualified will write articles on some his most noteworthy works, they certainly are deserving topics.

--NikeForHindmost (talk) 14:25, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm using the Dover book, which is probably more thorough. I haven't finished typing it all out. The grouping of the works is a little different. String quartets are in their own section...etc. We'll figure it out. At least we now have some sources that aren't from the Internet.--Roivas (talk) 18:49, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Awesome, Roivas. Personally I prefer it to be in more sections, and string quartets would make a logical/sizable one. It makes it more immediately readable as a list. I didn’t use the sections presented in the Diane Peacock Jezic book, which were more generalized (for example, chamber music, wind ensemble music, and solo instrumental non-keyboard music were one section, and there was a vocal section but it didn’t distinguish choral works from songs/other stuff). I don’t know if it’s considered wikipedia-appropriate, but it would be great if we could reference recordings whereever one or more is known. As far as I can tell so far, Toch is not very extensively recorded, and information on what is (was) available is scarce. The Jezic book does include a discography, but since it’s from 1989 I don’t know how helpful it will be. It seems doubtful that many of these ever made it to CD. --NikeForHindmost (talk) 07:02, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

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Op.15 quartet published by Doblinger??
There is one Worldcat record of a Doblinger-published score of the quartet op.15 that mentions a publisher and doesn't contain the indication "manuscript copy" in some language. However, it's at UCLA along with Toch's other papers, so I agree it's likely the work was not published. A little more looking-into may be indicated to be sure, of course. ELSchissel (talk) 14:35, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Toch regarded as one of the great avant-garde composers pre-WWII?
Source? ELSchissel (talk) 16:07, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

About sonata op.21
i think there is after all a publication of it, so not "unpublished" - - at least, this does not seem to be the later violin sonata op.44, whose full score has only half as many pages. ELSchissel (talk) 16:09, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

"Between 1950 and 1964, he wrote..."
7 symphonies reverting back to his earlier late-Romantic style ---? I deleted the second half of the sentence because there is little to nothing "late Romantic" about especially the first three (and arguably the last three; I don't know no.4) of his 7 symphonies. They are more modern than his late string quartets, the last two of which are somewhat like Zemlinsky's last quartet (with in Toch's case at least 12-tone sections, perhaps)- which is also not Romantic in style (late or not). 23:59, 9 March 2023 (UTC) ELSchissel (talk) 23:59, 9 March 2023 (UTC)