Talk:Estrogen

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Estrogen#Etymology The definition given varies from that available on Wiktionary
The definition given:

literally meaning "verve or inspiration" but figuratively sexual passion or desire

varies from that available on Wiktionary:

Borrowed from Latin oestrus (“gadfly, sting, frenzy”), from Ancient Greek οἶστρος (oîstros), from Proto-Indo-European *h₁eys-, used to form words denoting passion; see also Latin īra (“anger”), Lithuanian aistra (“violent passion”), Avestan 𐬀𐬈𐬯𐬨𐬀‎ (aesma, “anger”). https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BF%E1%BC%B6%CF%83%CF%84%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%82

and it varies from the source:

gadfly, breese http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=oistros&la=greek

Is this a problem across all of wikipedia? Could it be solved just by having a "Wikitionary Block" that you just insert into Wikipedia pages that keeps all of the information aligned, and halve the community workload? If it's too big, can the block be collapsed by default?

Eltimbalino (talk) 01:51, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Header intelligibility
The third sentence states: "There are three major endogenous estrogens in females that have estrogenic hormonal activity: estrone, estradiol, and estriol."


 * It is unclear if the dependant clause "having estrogenic hormonal activity" relates to "females" or "estrogens". Changing word order would make it clear "In females that have estrogenic hormonal activity, there are three major endogenous estrogens : estrone, estradiol, and estriol." or "In females, there are three major endogenous estrogens that have estrogenic hormonal activity: estrone, estradiol, and estriol."


 * I suspect the "estrogenic" quality is to be understood to apply to females. It is then tautological that listing kinds of oestrogens would only be expected within an individual that synthesises such an hormone; it leaves the reader wondering which oestrogens are excluded by this qualifier, or which oestrogens would appear in other configurations (a man, or a women that doesn't synthesises, which is stated to not exist two sentences later "Estrogens are synthesised in all vertebrates as well as some insects"). Is the "estrogenic [...]" clause specifying anything? Is the "in females [...]" specifying anything?


 * "Major" is unqualified: what makes those so? within which organisms? To be rephrased as "major for [...]/as part of [...]"

"estetrol" introduction then as "produced during pregnancy" isn't as clear as its definition in its own article, where we learn it is "produced exclusively by the fetal liver"; it would be as wordy and lift the ambiguity as to why "estetrol" isn't listed in the third sentence more precise to change wording to "produced by fetuses". Another problem with the current header would be that "estrogenic" is undefined jargon at this point, maybe the reader is to understand that pregnancy stops this "estrogenic hormonal activity".

"The three major naturally occurring forms of estrogen in women are estrone (E1), estradiol (E2), and estriol (E3)." sentence in the second paragraph only repeats what's already said in the third sentence. It is copy pasted (with now four estrogens, estetrol included) in the first section of the article! If the point is to introduce jargon ("E1" ..., without saying which specialists use these denomination), it's useless as each of these have their own page where the common names and aliases are already presented along with their systemic names.

Estrogens "have important physiological roles in males", but this doesn't say if any major oestrogen within male physiology isn't included in E1,E2,E3.

"Their presence in both vertebrates and insects suggests that estrogenic sex hormones have an ancient evolutionary history. " is a rewording of the previous sentence.

Can this header's third sentence be reworded as "Four estrogens are estrone, estradiol, estriol, and estetrol. Estetrol is produced exclusively by fetuses." and some duplicated sentences be removed? 37.175.64.194 (talk) 11:05, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Estrogen name/classification
Regarding my edit to the estrogen page that you reverted, the plural is correct and you can see this here at Johns Hopkins:

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/estrogens-effects-on-the-female-body

The other hormones follow the same pattern in other Wikipedia articles. When a molecule has a name, that is the title and path of the page. When molecules are classified into groups that are named, the title of the page matches the name of the class and the plural is used to refer to the group of molecules.

Please explain why you chose to revert my edit, and review my related edits to androgen and progestogen articles ForestMade (talk) 00:40, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Looking at the archives, this has been discussed before, and consensus reached for the current wording, in this discussion. Crossroads -talk- 05:07, 23 April 2022 (UTC)