Talk:Eternal Moonshine of the Simpson Mind

Cultural references
The entire Cultural references should just be moved here to the talk page. Perhaps if there is no subsection on the article page, people will be less tempted to add unsourced material and original research. Cirt (talk) 20:57, 17 December 2007 (UTC).
 * Thats fine with me  C t j f 8 3  talk 20:59, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

- - —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.120.132.216 (talk) 01:55, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The information below was moved from the article. When sources are provided, this may be moved back into the article.
 * Homer's sequence of wanting to commit suicide atop of the bridge and his guardian angel is taken straight from the film It's a Wonderful Life.
 * Also, not entirely sure, but Homer going through his memories and the camera cutting to an image of his face seems to be taken from the start of the "Jupiter and Beyond the Infinate" sequence from the film 2001: A Space Odyssey
 * The chalkboard gag, "The capital of Montana is not Hannah" is a reference to the hit Disney show, Hannah Montana.
 * The closing song is "Day After Day" by Badfinger.
 * Homer jumping into his own surprise party is a spoof of the movie The Game.
 * Duffman calling the new Duff Champagne, "The Beer of Champagnes." This tagline is a parody of Miller High Life's tag line: "The Champagne of Beers". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dominik92 (talk • contribs) 04:00, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Homer sitting in the "memory chair" and a little bit of blood seeping from his nose is a reference to a similar scene in the movie [Matrix (film)|Matrix]. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.174.66.64 (talk) 02:56, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Please leave this here, but if you find a WP:V/WP:RS source to back up something, copy that portion back into the article, and leave this list here as a reference. Just make a note of it on the talk page. Cirt (talk) 21:03, 17 December 2007 (UTC).


 * I'm all for it, but at this point, the new users and IPs will be adding this "vital" information so it will difficult to keep this stuff of the page without violating 3RR. -- Scorpion0422 21:58, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't you think the semi-protection will help against that? Cirt (talk) 23:36, 17 December 2007 (UTC).
 * no, all the rvts i've done have been since it has been semi. they are all from registered years  C t j f 8 3  talk 23:37, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) A little, but it's only protected for a week. -- Scorpion0422 23:38, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

it already is at the top of the page, just hit talk when you are on the main page. Notice I found references from a reliable source so i put them back on the main page  C t j f 8 3  talk 00:44, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I restored 's comment here, I'm assuming good faith all around that this was just an edit conflict between the two of you. Cirt (talk) 23:44, 17 December 2007 (UTC).
 * In response to both comments, it looks like so far since I moved the unsourced stuff here we're doing a bit better. Cirt (talk) 23:46, 17 December 2007 (UTC).
 * Well, I think the big thing is making sure the section isn't there to begin with. If people see it, they feel the need to expand it, but with such sections gone, they are less inclined. -- Scorpion0422 23:48, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Cirt (talk) 00:00, 18 December 2007 (UTC).
 * Is it possible that we can place a link on the page and when clicked, it sends them here? It would solve all our conflicts. Also CTfj, I'm not trying to vandalize this page so don't give that warning for vandalism again.
 * It is a warning for unsourced not vandalism...and what do you mean a link when they click?  C t j f 8 3  talk 00:18, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * First to make everything easier, let's let bigones be bigones. I shouldn't have brought back all the souces without a discusion and you should have phrased the warning like a block threat- and Halo 3 is overated. Now, what I mean is like the words you click to get to another article or the big number you click to get to a website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yoshiarecool (talk • contribs) 00:30, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm still slightly confused as to what you are asking. do you want a link from the article to this discussion, or are you asking how to get references to show up with the little numbers. btw, those are premade templates, so i don't control what they say, and again, please sign each of your posts by typing ~ thank you,  C t j f 8 3  talk 00:33, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The first one Yoshiarecool
 * Cool and thanks for finding sources. But for people just flicking by who know nothing about wikipedia, they may not know about this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yoshiarecool (talk • contribs) 00:48, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * yes, but it isn't really logical to link it from the section to this, no one would agree with that, and thank you for properly signing!, well the first time  C t j f 8 3  talk 00:51, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I have a reference for the badfinger song: under the trivia on that page--Dominik92 (talk) 01:03, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * TV.com is not a reliable source. -- Scorpion0422 01:09, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * i was just gonna say, if it says edit it isn't reliable  C t j f 8 3  talk 01:10, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Good call, because that was not the Badfinger version. Sounds like a studio redux because they couldn't get rights to the original, which has happened several times before.  Anybody know/recognize the artist(s) who performed it?  Alf Clausen's nephew, maybe?74.71.28.76 (talk) 15:54, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * "While planning for Homer's surprise party, Duffman plugs the new Duff Champagne, "The Beer of Champagnes." Duff Champagne's tagline is a parody of Miller High Life's tag line: "The Champagne of Beers." This is also one if a source can be found.--Dominik92 (talk) 01:11, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * yes, if you can find a reliable source  C t j f 8 3  talk 01:13, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * On a whim, I decided to check out the "reliable" sources used. One was an IGN-link which was a summary + slightly review of the episode that didn't even corroborate what it's supposed to corroborate (it did not mention how Mel Gibson once slandered Jews)! The other was a review by some guy over at TVSquad and said review was quite mediocre, even! The article showed lack of knowledge of the show, so why would we assume the guy has any inside scoop on the writing? It's ridiculous what people consider "reliable sources" nowadays. As per the new stricter rules on CR, the entire section will be blanked (by me) soon unless someone finds reliable sources for them. FallenAngelII 10:39, 20 December 2007 (GMT+1)
 * TV squad is run by AOL, so I would think it is reliable. It's either use that, or have no references at all I guess  C t j f 8 3  talk 09:49, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * My response: So? Since when is AOL the Speaker of Truths? Just because some random reviewer (who's obviously not well-versed on The Simpsons if you check the review out) says something does it make it true. Especially not when it's a review. He said stuff like "Scrat from 'Ice Age' makes an appearance". This does in no way mean that it's an official statement corroborated by the writers, as such it's not a good source. It might be a good source for stuff like "Well, this happened in the episode". But it's not a good source for "Well, these are the cultural references in the episode" as what the AOL reviewer is doing is Original Search. I don't understand why you're even defending using TVSquad as a reliable source, anyway. Didn't you say something along the lines of "If it ain't got a reliable source, it's gotta go"? Wouldn't that indicate a high bar for sourcing? --FallenAngelII 12:23, 20 December 2007 (GMT+1)
 * Well if you don't want the page to have any cultural references section whatsoever, then go ahead and remove it. -- Scorpion0422 20:51, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Aren't you the one always going around deleting things as "unsourced"? I thought you wanted the sources cited to be reliable. And reviews by laymen with no affiliation with the production of the shows they review whatsoever (not to mention with flawed insight into the shows) are not reliable sources. --FallenAngelII 17:28, 3 January 2008 (GMT) —Preceding unsigned comment added by FallenAngelII (talk • contribs)

Noah Kalina
I was surprised to see the obvious parody of Noah Kalina's Youtube video was not mentioned. It's very obvious that's what it is, no one could find a reliable source saying that? The song playing in the background is the one from Kalina's video, and it was verifiably written specifically for that video (says the New York Times: ). A cursory search of my own did not reveal any really reliable sources discussing it, but one's gotta be out there somewhere.--Cúchullain t/ c 21:07, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It would be greatly appreciated if one was found, this is something that people keep adding without a source and linking to the video on Youtube (a copyright violation), personally I have no strong objections to adding it without a source, but others do. We've really searched and there doesn't seem to be a RS online.--The Dominator (talk) 21:27, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I've put this back in. This information was as easily verifiable as it was obvious and shouldn't have been removed.  Linking to the actual youtube video is not a copyright violation as the video itself is not a copyright violation (Noah Kalina put his own video up and not someone else's without their permission). This article is suffering from WP:OWN and not being edited per WP:CONSENSUS. --Oakshade (talk) 04:00, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, it's being affected by policies like WP:V, WP:A, WP:RS and WP:NOR. You really should assume good faith. -- Scorpion0422 04:11, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I second Scorpion that you should assume good faith. That said, I have no problem with the reference being made, except that it's not as notable as some of the others. The Dominator (talk) 04:17, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

The Way We Weren't
It should be noted that the particular memory Homer crashed through that Lisa said was his first kiss was taken from The Way We Weren't in season 15--Dan2paul (talk) 08:02, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

The Way We Weren't
It should be noted that the particular memory Homer crashed through that Lisa said was his first kiss was taken from The Way We Weren't in season 15--Dan2paul (talk) 08:26, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

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