Talk:Eugen Sandow

Diet
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Biography assessment rating comment
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Could certainly use an infobox, a few more refs, but basically a B.

The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Yamara 18:55, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

My grandfather told of having seen Sandow lift on his back a carousel laden with various animals - possibly part of the Trocadero show. 121.210.24.166 (talk) 06:17, 12 August 2011 (UTC) Ian Ison

Discussion
Is there a source for his personality, such as his laugh, high intellegence, and good manners?

Development of Physique
This article doesnt discuss how he came to develop his physique. As the "Father of Modern Bodybuilding" IMHO there should be some discussion of this. Were the training methods he sold the same ones he used? Wasn't he a gymnast at first? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.236.234.27 (talk) 16:33, 30 January 2007 (UTC).

I added in the article information on reps and weights what book that information in the link Eugen Sandow and the Golden Age of Ironmen that it is found in,as well as the name of the book the exercsies he used to build himself up are found in.

TheTempleofthefreespirit 22:09, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Sexual preference
Was he really gay, or just bisexual?

No one knows.He was married and had two children but had a very close relationship with a male friend of his,but know one knows if it was sexual are not. TheTempleofthefreespirit 22:33, 13 August 2007 (UTC)


 * His Oxford Dictionary of National Biography article mentions no homosexuality. It mentions his marriage and children and that he was unfaithful to his wife.  The writer of the article states his certified death cause was an aortic aneurysm which could be syphilitic.  (It was newspapers who announced brain haemorrage.)Cloptonson (talk) 11:58, 1 February 2014 (UTC)


 * All of the rumors of his homosexuality or bisexuality have remained just that. Rumors. No evidence, just that he had a good relationship with one of his friends and had turned down a female prostitute at one point. Sandow was a known womanizer, and had slept with other women than just his wife. However, David L. Chapman wrote that Sandow may have been bisexual but provided no evidence for this. https://www.jstor.org/stable/43609711?read-now=1&seq=3#page_scan_tab_contents That book shows Chapman's rather dubious contentions of Sandow's sexuality and why they don't really make sense. Also, I would warn people to stop seeing sexuality in close friendships between two men. People need to stop trying to present doubtful and unreliable RUMORS of a specific sexuality to fit their narratives or agenda.Peppapig123456 (talk) 04:15, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Name
Was his first name Friederich or Friedrich (as stated in the german wiki)? In this article http://einestages.spiegel.de/static/topicalbumbackground/1334/brachiale_erotik.html (in the german newspaper Spiegel) his original name is said to be Karl Friedrich Müller, not Fried(e)rich Wilhelm Müller. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.89.45.58 (talk) 09:49, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

his name was Friederich Wilhelm Mueller —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.191.14.220 (talk) 00:15, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Why is there no explanation as to why he changed his name? WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 02:35, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Remarks about "good temperment" leading to succes and whatever
In "Strength and How to Obtain it" Chapter:My First Hour in America, Sandow basically tries to sell his equipment and pedagogy before using the word "boy" and "nigger"(nigger three times) to describe a bell boy that he threatened after an escalation initially involving niggers not wanting to shine shoes according to Sandow.

It is certainly possible that Sandow's civility and refinement are far over-played in this article. I might remove a couple of sentences of full unbridled, worshipful, unreferenced $^@*#&.

hmmm, actually this article is needs work
There are too few references and the section "Motion Pictures" goes on about his family and weight-lifting methods far beyond having anything to do with his being in a couple of motion pictures... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.219.115.63 (talk) 03:31, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Legacy
The Venture Bros reference on the episode ORB is a satirical representation of Sandow and should be included in the Legacy section. It seems to me that some peoples interpretation of WP:HTRIVIA and WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is letting some topics under an All-purpose heading survive and others ending up getting deleted. Some editors are not being consistant and essentially should wipe many of the entries in the Legacy section if they don't like trivia lists in the Sandow article --Momosgarage. talk . contribs 08:50, 04 September 2009 (UTC)

Is the Zbyszko comment relevant to Sandow?

Check! Anachronism
Under section Early Life it states he was designated special instructor in physical culture to King Edward VII in 1911. Either the king's name or the year are wrong because Edward VII died in 1910, to be succeeded by George V who reigned beyond Sandow's lifetime until 1936.Cloptonson (talk) 20:16, 31 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Own question answered. His Oxford Dictionary of National Biography article confirms the year and states rightly George V was the relevant monarch.Cloptonson (talk) 11:59, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

"In 2008, the grave was purchased by Chris Davies"
How do you purchase a grave that already has a body in it? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 05:50, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

It's in England. Apparently burial plots / land can be bought and sold just like regular land and houses. 2600:8800:784:8F00:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D (talk) 13:41, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

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"The Grecian Ideal"
In the section, there's a photo of Sandow supposedly modelling a Roman copy of The Dying Gaul statue.

However, his pose is barely half correct.

Where is it verified/stated that this pose is The Dying Gaul or even based on the statue.

I could see the photo's caption stating that his pose is his interpretation of the statue, but not actually a "model" of it.

Just curious. 2600:8800:784:8F00:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D (talk) 13:32, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Pronunciation of Sandow
In my opinion, the IPA pronunciation guide given in the first sentence for the German pronunciation of his name is incorrect. I have removed the German IPA pronunciation key until we can get independent, valid confirmation for it.

As a German speaker, I would pronounce 'Sandow' in German as. It is unusual, but not unheard of, to have silent  in a German place name or family name especially if it's of Slavic origin (see -ow), but it's not clear if that's the case here. For example, in English, the Russian scientist who worked with conditioned responses in dogs is Ivan Pavlov, but in German he is Iwan Pawlow.

Additionally, the #Early life section states that he adopt[ed] Eugen Sandow as his stage name, adapting and Germanizing his Russian mother's maiden name, Sandov. The spelling 'Sandov' would, of course, be a transliteration from Cyrillic, the Latin letter 'v' does not exist in Cyrillic, and the English vee sound would be rendered  in Cyrillic. The Russian Sandow article is, in fact, listed as Евгений Сандов and his surname is pronounced  in Russian. The way you would "Germanize" Сандов is by spelling it Sandow in German, and it would have approximately the same pronunciation in German and Russian with that spelling. Unless it's one of those weird exceptions, where the -ow is silent.

While searching for sources for the German pronunciation, beware of Wikipedia mirrors or consolidators, like dofaq which merely copy Wikipedia's version of the pronunciation. Ditto YT videos, which may do the same thing, and have other problems with reliability.

Note that none of the above applies to how his name would be pronounced in English, which might well be different, and is a separate issue. The lead does not give a pronunciation guide for how his name was pronounced in English at the time, or how it would be pronounced now. It's common for German names in -ow to be [mis-]pronounced without the vee sound in English, especially if they are not well known. This is en-wiki, and it would be more important to give the English pronunciation than the German one; but if we give the German one, it needs to be accurate. Mathglot (talk) 20:52, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * See also de:Talk:Eugen Sandow. Mathglot (talk) 21:42, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Shirt
In Philippines and in Bengali, sleeveless shirts (wifebeaters) are called Sando shirts, after Eugen Sandow. "In the Philippines, when used as an undershirt it is called a sando. In Bangladesh and the State of West Bengal in India, it is called a sando-genji..." Drsruli (talk) 03:38, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Sandow‘s cacao factory in Hayes
The new „Hayes Village“ at the former Nestlé factory in the London borough of Hillingdon is grouped around a new „Sandow Square“, with regard to Sandow’s cacao factory which operated here between 1913 und 1916. As to believe https://www.28dayslater.co.uk/threads/the-nestle-factory-hayes-june-2018.113488/ the Street leading to the factory was named Sandow Ave before it was renamed to Nestles Ave.   95.33.35.149 (talk) 06:41, 20 May 2023 (UTC)