Talk:Evander Holyfield

Photo copyright?
I can't find any documentation that the photo of Holyfield vs. Savarese is indeed a CC file. The photographer is credited, but does not appear to be the person who uploaded it. --Rhymworm (talk) 20:51, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

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Article says Holyfield won several championships, "Earning him the nickname 'Real Deal'." This is incorrect. He adopted the 'Real Deal' nickname very early in his career, long before winning any championships. See e.g.http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7WI7JlMLhFY, ring announcer introduces him in his 7th fight as "Real Deal". There may be even earlier instances.

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Hmm.. I'll be doing my own research later tonight, but I came here from the Mike Tyson page because it clearly talks about multiple headbutts Holyfield delivered to Tyson "accidentally" through the fight, from which he suffered no penalties (which makes Tyson biting his ear(s) seem oddly reasonable, since it was only an "accident", after all, hah!).. If these headbutts are indeed a part of history then I feel it needs to be listed here, for Wikipedia's good name and historical accuracy both.. Again, I'm unclear on the subject since I'm reading Tyson's page as a result of him starting an animated series on Adult Swim, no boxing fan here, but I was shocked to find out that Tyson's seemingly random ear-attack may have had a very serious meaning behind it.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.242.211.149 (talk) 05:08, 17 March 2015 (UTC) --- Since this article is locked, I cannot make an edit. So instead, I am submitting a request. In the "Present" section, the second-to-last sentence states, "However, In June 2014, after not fighting in over three years, Holyfield announced that his final retirement." This sentence is a fragment and the words don't make perfect sense, although it is perfectly clear what is intended. Would someone be willing to fix the sentence so that the intended meaning is represented more clearly? Thank you. 67.186.207.83 (talk) 04:37, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

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Bankruptcy
Evander Holyfield squandered his £350 million lifetime earnings before his 49th birthday.

Source - http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/others/boxing-holyfields-life-goes-under-the-hammer-8210385.html

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 * ✅, albeit without the loaded term "squander". Also did a bit of rearranging in the "outside the ring" section. The section could probably benefit from further reorganizing as it is pretty vague in scope as it currently is. Timothy Joseph Wood  15:08, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 10 January 2017
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Semi-protected edit request on 3 February 2018
Article incorrectly states Holyfield's height as 6 ft 2 and ½ inches, and his reach as 78 inches. In his pro debut, he was listed as 6 ft 1 and ¼ inches tall, with a reach of 75 and ¾ inches (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb4Wn78CIuc). he was also listed as 6 ft 1 and ¼ inches tall on this website (https://www.celebheights.com/s/Evander-Holyfield-4506.html). v=fb4Wn78CIuc Boxing-related (talk) 23:37, 3 February 2018 (UTC)


 * ❌ – HBO listed Holyfield's height as 6ft 2½in, and reach as 77½in, for the Lennox Lewis rematch. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 18:17, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

This is why people don't respect wikipedia mods.

In professional wrestlers' pages there's at least a clearly indicated field for "Billed Height", indicating an acknowledgement that advertisements can lie.

Think for yourself, for one second, what's more likely to lie: HBO with a higher measurement, or an official professional boxing introduction with a lower measurement?

So worthless. --2001:4878:8000:50:DA9E:F3FF:FE2A:2191 (talk) 20:36, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Amateur career
Can I get access to the article, so I could add there "Amateur career" chapter, the same I did here and there Wladimir_Klitschko, Mark_Breland, Riddick_Bowe, Lennox_Lewis. At least for a day or two. I promise not to interfere to any other chapter, I'm not interested, all I want to do is to add people amateur boxing careers. 93.73.36.17 (talk) 11:15, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
 * No, you can’t. Honestly, I hope you’re banned for your agenda-driven editing. Clearly not to build an encyclopedia here. There’s currently a discussion regarding his behavior here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gumswick55 (talk • contribs) 11:20, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Honestly and truthfully, I don't see any agenda-driven editing in adding amateur career listings or professional boxing records. 93.73.36.17 (talk) 11:21, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

The fellow user:Gumswick55 was blocked indefinitely for sockpuppetry. If anyone concerned would decide that I am good enough to contribute to this article adding "Amateur career" chapter, please notify me on my talkpage. 93.73.36.17 (talk) 16:51, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 December 2019
Add AGE column to the "Professional boxing record" section between DATE and LOCATION. Keteague (talk) 19:10, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 19:46, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

My apologies for not being clear the first time.

Change the table in section 4 (Professional boxing record) to include a "AGE" column between the DATE column and LOCATION column. This is to indicate the age of the boxer at the time of the fight and can be calculated by his birthday and the date of the fight.

An example can be seen on George Foreman's page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Foreman#Professional_boxing_record

Here's an edit from the current source of what I'm asking for:

==Professional boxing record==


 * -- Nemoschool  ( talk to me ) 00:06, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- Nemoschool  ( talk to me ) 00:32, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

High school
Can you reflect what high school he attended? --2604:2000:E010:1100:BCFD:3A9A:91DC:D9AB (talk) 07:59, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 April 2021
When Evander Holyfield was knocked into the ropes against Bert Cooper it was correctly ruled a knockdown by referee Mills Lane and not a standing eight count. If you only the ropes are holding a fighter up as the result of a punch it is indeed a knockdown. The standing eight count does not normally exist in a title fight. The mandatory eight count is indeed in effect where the referee always clearly counts to eight after a knockdown. A standing eight count, which is prominent in the amateurs, allows the referee to properly access the condition of a hurt fighter without the fighter actually going down but, as is noted above, being knocked into the ropes by a punch is a legal.knockdown and the highly experienced Mills Lane knew this. Please correct this as to say that Bert Cooper scored a legitimate knockdown against Evander Holyfield. He deserves the credit. 68.193.46.254 (talk) 18:08, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Please provide sourcing for this, as well as the exact text you'd like to add, remove or change. Thanks. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:47, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2022
It should be noted Evander Holyfield defeated Frez Oquendo in 2006 to become USBA United States Boxing Federation Regional Heavy Weight Champion. It should be corrected... Evander Holyfield is not a 4 time heavy weight champion he is a 5 time Heavyweight champion of the world by way of winning a "version" of the world heavy weight championship 5 times. Evander Holyfield won the WBF World Boxing Federation Heavyweight championship in 2010 vs Franz Botha to become a 5 time Heavyweight champion and he defended the title twice vs Sherman Williams and Brian Nielsen before Retiring in 2011 as the Oldest Heavy Weight Champion ever at 48 years of age and is not a 3 decade champion but in fact Evander Holyfield is the only 4 decade champion of the world 1980s, 1990s, 2000s, 2010s... This information is 100% true facts and can been looked up for verification online including Wikipedia under Evander Holyfield boxing record which shows all his fights in chronological order including the dates times and outcomes. 146.115.248.187 (talk) 06:03, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
 * His fight with Oquendo is mentioned in the prose and the record table. As for your other points; we go by what WP:Reliable sources say, and reliable sources tend to ignore the WBF when talking about world title reigns. Why, you might ask? Because the WBF are one of the most insignificant organisations in boxing. – 2 . O . Boxing  08:10, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
 * All of these "X-Time Champ" labels depend upon how one interprets (1) weight classes and (2) legitimate accreditation and, maybe, (3) the record. Maybe. What I think that we need is a comprehensive page-article on "Alphabet Soup (boxing)" that has sufficient space to discuss such concepts as "lineal super-middleweight emeritus champion" and sort out which of WBA/WBC/IBF/WBO and all of the xBy versions are noteworthy. Every such claim should footnote and/or link there. WHPratt (talk) 05:38, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
 * "Alphabet Soup (boxing)"—what a great idea for an article! I have no doubt it could get off the ground because the whole concept has long been in public consciousness. "Boxing has so many champions", etc. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 17:39, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Glad you like the idea. I'll look forward to contributing. WHPratt (talk) 06:09, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

"You get this straight: there're only eight champions. Everybody else are also-rans." — Keenan Wynn in Requiem for a Heavyweight, A 1956 TV drama by Rod Serling

"You get this straight: there're only forty-two (WBA/WBC/IBF) champions, including junior divisions, unless you count cruisers, super-middies, strawweights and pound-for-pound, in which case there're only fifty-four champions, unless you count the WBO, the WBU and the IBC or IBA or IBO (whichever it is), there're only a hundred and eight champions, and, oh yeah, the linear and national and commonwealth titles, and, ... sorry, what-the-hell point was I trying to make?" — Requiem for a WBO Light Bantamweight, A modern re-write. WHPratt (talk) 04:40, 26 December 2022 (UTC) ;)

three decade champion
In the sixth paragraph it states that Evander Holyfield is the first boxer to hold world titles in three different decades (80's, 90's 2000's), this is incorrect. Robert Duran achieved this record before Holyfield (in the 70's, 80's, 90's), having vacated the WBC World Middleweight Title in early January 1990. DomusBellum78 (talk) 21:55, 27 January 2024 (UTC)


 * In which case, probably better to re-word it to "win world titles in three different decades". Then the original premise would be true. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 22:00, 27 January 2024 (UTC)