Talk:Evans Gambit

The Evans gambit was discussed at length by President Bartlett in a 3rd season episode of the West Wing! Does anyone remember the details? Cogent 07:20, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Correction/Clarification
I've removed this section from the article as I think it's more appropriate here:

The "Normal Postion" can be reached with either the 5...Ba5 or the 5...Bc5 bishop retreat (1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.b4 Bxb4 5.c3 Ba5 6.d4 exd4 7.O-O d6 8.cxd4 Bb6 or 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.b4 Bxb4 5.c3 Bc5 6.d4 exd4 7.O-O d6 8.cxd4 Bb6. It is actually easier for black to reach the Normal Position with the 5...Bc5 option as white cannot deviate with an early Qb3 as black can disrupt the queen & bishop battery with Na5.

Is this correct?Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:16, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I think so, Ba5 does prevent Na5 and thus allows an option for white of Qb3.ChessCreator (talk) 18:04, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't like 5. ... Ba5 because of this reason: 6. d4 cxd4 7. 0-0 dxc3 8. Qb3 Qe7 9. Nxc3 Nf6 10. Nd5 Nxd5 11. exd5 Ne5 12. Nxe5 Qxe5 13. Bb2 Qg5 14. h4 Qxh4 15. Bxg7 Rg8 16. Rfe1+ Bxe1 17. Rxe1+ Kd8 18. Qg3 Qxg3 19. Bf6#. 23191Pa (chat me!) 10:13, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

7...dxc3 is too greedy, Black usually plays 7...Nge7 in that line, anticipating 8.Ng5 (or 8.cxd4) d5.Tws45 (talk) 13:34, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Chessgames.com calls 7...dxc3 the "Compromised Defence". What an apt name! Double sharp (talk) 09:34, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

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"German game"?
Daniel Naroditsky's brief history of the Evans gambit mentions a 1915 debate in the press over whether it should have been called the German game, since a German player discovered it in parallel with Evans. Worth mentioning that here? 67.193.78.205 (talk) 11:08, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Black cannot "retreat" to c5 as black's Bishop is already on c5
There's a mistake in the section about the declined gambit LemonShackles (talk) 01:23, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure the section is referring to the sequence 4...Bxb4 5. c3 Bc5. The bishop retreats to c5, which it vacated the move prior. Banedon (talk) 02:13, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Fine on the Evans
Did he really say ...d6? The thematic move against most of the gambits in the open games is ...d5 (e.g. King's Gambit 2...d5 or 2...exf4 3.Nf3 d5, Danish Gambit 3...d5 or 3...dxc3 4.Bc4 cxb2 5.Bxb2 d5, Vienna Gambit 3...d5, Urusov Gambit 4...Bb4+ 5.c3 dxc3 6.bxc3 d5, etc.), and that is a move that is difficult to play in the Evans, whereas there's no problem getting ...d6 in there (4...Bxb4 5.c3 Ba5 6.d4 d6 and we have it already). Double sharp (talk) 22:28, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Alternate Acceptance Trap
Black can also accept the gambit with 4... Nxb4, baiting white into taking what looks like a free pawn with 5 Nxe5? instead of playing the correct 5 c3. If white falls for it like I did, 5... Qf6 threatens to connect with the bishop for mate on f2 while hitting the knight on e5 and x-raying the rook on a1. White's best move is to castle and give up the knight, and only then does white realize c3 is the move. This appears to force the black knight back to c6, but black can threaten mate first with 7... Bd6, forcing white to open up the king with 8 g3. Black has a distinct superiority.

I don't have a source for this but I'm sure I'm not the first to see it in the engine. No master games in the Chess.com database feature the Nxe5? mistake, but in the Lichess database, about 10% of non-masters fall for it, with black winning 61% of games when playing Qf6 Mhults7791 (talk) 14:54, 17 May 2023 (UTC)