Talk:Fabulous Freebirds

Big Daddy Dink
Shouldn't he be under managers with DDP, rather than under members?76.226.128.109 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 18:54, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

"Freebird Rule"
The listing for the "Midnight Express" claims and supports with a footnote that the Freebirds did not invent the "Freebird Rule," nor did they influence the Midnight Express to use it as they (the Midnight Express) were already using it. It says of the Midnight Express: "Together the three men would win the AWA Southern Tag Team title in the CWA and invoke a rule that’d later be referred to as the Freebird Rule which allowed any two of the three men to defend the titles on a given night so that their opponents never knew what combination to expect.[4]" #4 Greg Oliver and Steve Johnson (2005). "the Top 20: 7 The Fabulous Freebirds", The Pro Wrestling Hall of Fame: The Tag Teams. ECW Press, 46-52. ISBN 978-1-5502-2683-6. I'm going to change the main entry to reflect this if there are no objections. Jimsurge74 (talk) 19:37, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Freebird Rule #2
can anyone provide a more complete list, at least of the major promotions? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.235.162.134 (talk) 00:13, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Origins of the team
There are any number of sources which point out that Hayes and Gordy began teaming in George Culkin's short-lived territory based in Jackson, Mississippi. From what I've gathered, Culkin was a local promoter who was granted an exclusive franchise of sorts by the state's athletic commission, simliar to the arrangement Leroy McGuirk and later Bill Watts had in neighboring Louisiana. Culkin later had a series of problems with McGuirk and Watts; Hayes stated that it started when Watts accused Gil Culkin, George's son, of being high on something while he was ring announcing and handling matters backstage at a show. As a result, Culkin broke away from them, formed an "outlaw territory" and filed an antitrust lawsuit against the NWA. When Watts broke away from McGuirk, he was told by McGuirk that he was washing his hands of the problem and that Watts could deal with it from now on. Anyway, Watts stated in his autobiography that he hired Hayes and Gordy but really didn't want them teaming together, because he didn't think Hayes was a good enough worker in the ring. He brought in Roberts, whom he had used a decade prior to resurrect the career of Jerry Brown, creating the Hollywood Blondes (not Blonds, that's more recentism). Hayes was supposed to serve as the manager and wrestle on occasion. From what dim memories I have of watching Georgia Championship Wrestling in 1980 when their feud with Ted DiBiase and Robert Fuller was absolutely screaming white hot, the in-ring team was primarily Hayes and Gordy (who famously split and feuded the following year, which gave rise to the short-lived wrestling career of Otis Sistrunk). RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 06:08, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

And now for something completely different
These guys certainly could and did evoke real emotion from audiences in large numbers. This is why they drew the kind of business during the early and mid 1980s that a lot of folks in the business would have given their left nut to be able to draw. Prior to the current era of WWE making a big deal out of audience signs, I think the funniest sign I ever saw was at an AWA show at Sullivan Arena in 1985. Someone in the front row was particularly rabid in verbally expressing his hatred towards them, and kept holding up a sign reading "THE FAGULOUS THREENERDS". Some of the boys had a hard time believing that he was a real fan and not a plant working for the local promoter. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 09:01, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

For future reference
Since there was a brief dispute about Sanity, I think we should implement the following policy going forward:

If WWE.com shows 3 (or more) people as holding a tag team championship, we should just automatically assume the Freebird Rule is in effect. The earlier confusion stemmed from Killian Dain being shown on the WWE.com roster page (and their NXT Tag Team Championship history page) as part of the NXT Tag Team Championship team with his Sanity teammates, but there was no grand announcement specifically saying Freebird Rules were being implemented.

Now every promotion does things differently, but regarding specifically WWE, I think it would make things easier and less likely to have disputes if we just assume Freebird Rules are in play if more than 2 guys are shown as tag champs on the roster page.

Thank you.

Vjmlhds (talk) 22:15, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

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Freebird Rule examples
Do we really need a list of every single team who defends under the Freebird Rule? This either needs to be condensed or removed completely.  JTP (talk • contribs) 01:19, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Split
I think this page should be split, because the Free Bird rule is basically most of this page and is its own thing now a days. if not for its own article, there's likely somewhere else it can go. Tag Team opr example.Muur (talk) 01:46, 18 August 2019 (UTC)