Talk:Falling in Reverse

Alias
I do believe that "From Behind These Walls" should be removed because the name was changed from it due to copyright infringement, so technically it wouldn't be an Alias of theirs.--Kygora 15:18, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * From Behind These Walls in gathering from my research that can be justified was the former name before the band adopted the name to officially call themselves as Falling In Reverse they are no longer known as From Behind These Walls. This name had already been adopted by another band due to copyright infringment they have claimed changed there band name during there formation. If you would like to prove the infomation as false and prove the band is as also known as From Behind These Walls as well as Falling In Reverse please cite otherwise of some reference to this. FIR is a abbreviation of Falling In Reverse therefore they cannot be known as an abbreviation. Reverb100 (talk) 17:43, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Picture
Why do people keep changing it? should need to change it unless the current on gets deleted.--Kygora 13:41, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The current ones have been getting deleted. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously, and it looks like the user who has been uploading each new image is failing to provide evidence of permission. Not any old image one finds in a Google Image search can be used. Fezmar9 (talk) 15:59, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * hey you should look into it before you comment with false info. its been changed, and the image it was changed from is still on wiki and meets copyright yada yada all that stuff.--Kygora 19:28, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I have looked into it. With this edit an image removal bot removed a previously deleted image. According to the file's history, it was deleted on August 8 for violating non-free content criteria, and again on August 9 for a copyright violation. The two images that you are referring to that currently exist will be deleted shortly for the same reasons. The image File:Falling in Reverse @ Key Club Hollywood with lead vocalist Ronnie Radke.jpg is claiming to be from the band's website under a creative commons license, but not only is that image not on the website, the website clearly states the site is copyrighted. Fezmar9 (talk) 19:58, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Destructive article edit
I have noticed non users destructively re-editing this article doing such edits can land you a ban on Wikipedia so please do not blank, remove or destroy a very good cited article about this band. Reverb100 (talk) 18:20, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Genre has been recently edited to homosexual. Maybe whoever edited should be banned, as well as the edit be changed to something more appropriate. 20:05, 20 August 2014

Edit Request
Semi-protect. There have been a high level of IP vandalism. This article provides good sources and cited information. Since this article is being is occurring to vandalism such as page blanks, removal of good cited information/sources and bad edits I wish to request a semi protect all of this article from IP edits. Reverb100 (talk) 19:07, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Padlock-dash2.svg Not done: requests for changes to the page protection level should be made at Requests for page protection. Jnorton7558 (talk) 19:54, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Worth mentioning Deuce
Would it be worth mentioning that Ronnie Radke and Deuce may be doing a song together?

http://twitter.com/#!/Deuce9lives/status/99235885782020096 http://twitter.com/#!/Deuce9lives/status/99643680205455360 http://twitter.com/#!/REDRUMRONNIE/status/99659444039847936 http://twitter.com/#!/Deuce9lives/status/101808263158431746 http://twitter.com/#!/Deuce9lives/status/101201643638497280

There are a couple more tweets and several facebook statuses from Deuce regarding the Ronnie collab. Just wonder if it's worth mentioning that it it's possible there may be a collab between the two. Deuce & Ronnie have very similar pasts concerning their previous bands (Deuce - Hollywood Undead, for anyone who doesn't know) and coincidently - their previous bands are on the same record label xD — Preceding unsigned comment added by TrueBlue9LIVES (talk • contribs) 11:47, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Negative Ghostrider. those are not proper sources or even close to proper sources. when it gets on a music site or something of the likes of Alt Press than it can be put in the article.--Kygora 16:06, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

hi
i added the company to associated acts cos anthony avila left to join that band they had a facebook page but i can no longer find it if anyone else has the lin kcould they place it on — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.0.93.67 (talk) 20:44, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

We Strike At Dawn
shouldn't they have a page the released an EP Album called legend and Gilberts in the band — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.0.88.75 (talk) 12:44, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Requested move
Falling In Reverse → Falling in Reverse — the word "in" is lowercased in titles. • GunMetal Angel  18:42, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅. Jafeluv (talk) 20:55, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Backing vocals
Seaman, the drummer, realize backing vocals and screamed ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG7FVOAuz_M — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.239.95.52 (talk) 22:45, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Thats a video not actual proof, he wasn't even there to record the album it was Scott Gee, and youtubes not a reliable source, please read the guidlines, Thanks 82.0.94.223 (talk) 17:16, 9 January 2012 (UTC)ericdeaththe2nd17:16, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Ronnie Radke
Ronald(Ronnie) Joseph Radke (Born Dec. 15th, 1983) is an American Vocalist/Singer(for Escape The Fate{ex}, Falling in Reverse{current}) who was born and spent most of his life in Las Vegas, NV. His Mother split when he was young and his Father, Robert(Robbie) Radke raised him. Throughout his youth Ronnie enjoyed music and began experimenting with it at an early age. Ronnie, as a teenager, ran away from his home in Las Vegas to play guitar in a Pop-Punk band in Southern California named 3.0(Three Point O). When the band didn't make it in So Cal Ronnie came back to Las Vegas and began attending High School again. Ronnie was immensely inspired by one or more songs from bands like Blink 182, Thrice, and Taking Back Sunday and also took fashion sense from Pro Skateboarders of the era. Throughout High School formed many bands and forged many good musical relationships with fellow artists/musicians.When Ronnie left high school, him and his friend Max Green made a band called escape the fate or ETF and found more members. Escape the fate became very famous and people loved them. But one day Ronnie was with max green and Michael cook when a gang of people walk up to them and had a gun, max tried to get the gun out of the guys hand but it went off shooting Michael cook , the gang ran off and so did max , Ronnie was left there , when the cops got there they arrested ronnie for battery murder and for doing drugs/drinking a lot of alcohol and was in jail in 2008 for 2 years. Escape the fate couldn't wait for Ronnie to get out so they got a new singer, the old singer of blessthefall , Craig. Craig went on tour said that "Ronnie radke was found with drugs in prison and that Ronnie radke is going to be in jail for a long time ", but that was a lie Ronnie radke did not have drugs in prison he became sober in prison and was released from prison in 2010 December 20th. In prison he made many new songs and made a new band that he want to make called from behind these walls but the record said no to the name yes to the band and now know as falling in reverse is on its second album. When Ronnie was released from prison he drank a little bit but stoped it because it was not right to him so he became sober. I <3 Ronnie radke.  Sources: MAIN SOURCE: http://www.altpress.com/podcasts/entry/ap_podcast_54_guest_ronnie_radke/ OTHER SOURCES: http://www.clarkcountycourts.us/Anonymous/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=754610 http://www.altpress.com/features/entry/exclusive_ex-escape_the_fate_vocalist_ronnie_radke_breaks_his_silence_after/ http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/news/2008/oct/16/dealing-his-own-fate/ https://twitter.com/#!/RonnieRadke http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falling_in_Reverse — Preceding unsigned comment added by FaYdid (talk • contribs) 11:06, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * will add more in morning*

Screamo? Metalcore?
sorry i was just wondering would these two be considered part of there genre? Ericdeaththe2nd (talk) 17:11, 2 March 2012 (UTC)ericdeaththe2ndEricdeaththe2nd (talk) 17:11, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Screamo? not even close! Metalcore should be on there, but there was a huge debate and a huge edit war about it yada yada loads of crap. and well it was removed.--Kygora 05:30, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Agreed with Metalcore, because on the album wiki page it says metalcore 2.101.121.47 (talk) 19:34, 9 April 2012 (UTC)ericdeaththe2nd2.101.121.47 (talk) 19:34, 9 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Metalcore is not referenced. The band does not demonstrate the stylistic definition of metalcore. Metalcore will not be included. Screamo is referenced. The band may or may not fully meet the stylistic definition of screamo (it's disputable). So screamo may or may not be included in the infobox (we will have to see what sort of consensus is reached). End of discussion. --  ♪ ChrisBkoolio     ...    (Talk)    17:17, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Links to proove FIR is metalcore
http://www.the-top-tens .com/lists/post-hardcore-metalcore-bands.asp http://post-hardcore09.blogspot.co.uk/20 http://www.theaureview.com/albums/falling-in-reversethe-drug-in-me-is-you-2011-lp11/08/falling-in-reverse-drug-in-me-is-you.html http://www.sputnikmusic.com/review/44598/Falling-in-Reverse-The-Drug-In-Me-Is-You/ http://www.metalkingdom.net/band/13533_falling_in_reverse http://www.killyourstereo.com/reviews/747/falling-in-reverse-the-drug-in-me-is-you/ 2.101.121.47 (talk) 19:57, 9 April 2012 (UTC)ericdeaththe2nd2.101.121.47 (talk) 19:57, 9 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Those sources are not reliable. Even though some of the band's songs resemble metalcore, this is certainly not a metalcore band. They occasionally introduce breakdowns and screamed vocals, but those are not a staple in their music (as they should be in metalcore). Post-hardcore sufficiently describes their sound.--  ♪ ChrisBkoolio     ...    (Talk)    20:16, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Well i hardly think Pop Punk or Alternative Rock covers it, I mean when i think Alternative Rock i think muse, greenday, coldplay etc, And Pop Punk i think Busted , McFly, Blink 182, and FIR doesn't compare to them,and please if several websites say metalcore can you turn a blind eye on them. Plus Allmusic say's their Pop Punk etc but and opinion from website competiting with several others :/ but i can see where your coming from 109.149.143.121 (talk) 19:26, 10 April 2012 (UTC)ericdeaththe2nd109.149.143.121 (talk) 19:26, 10 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the comment. Pop punk and alternative rock help specify, but primarily the band is post-hardcore. But actually for the most part, Falling in Reverse is closer stylistically to some of those bands you mentioned than to modern metalcore acts. And I know that certain websites call the group "metalcore," but not every website on the internet can be used as a reliable source. I think post-hardcore is sufficient. The band has been associated with other metalcore bands, but stylistically isn't a metalcore band themselves. It's just way too much of a stretch. --  ♪ ChrisBkoolio     ...    (Talk)    14:03, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

How is Coldplay and Muse anything like FIR, and 7 websites were talking... and A Smile from the trenches, escape the fate....there more closer to FIR then any of the act's above and their Metalcore, And i did agree about POST HARDCORE that's one of the best genres up there, honestly Busted and McFly aren't like FIR, but i agree Alternative and Pop Punk are good but please Metalcore is one of there genres Sink or Swim, Don't mess with Ouja boards,i think there metalcore songs at least, but what Alternative Rock songs have FIR done? I can only thing the westerner is there only one 81.97.131.168 (talk) 20:17, 11 April 2012 (UTC)ericdeaththe2nd81.97.131.168 (talk) 20:17, 11 April 2012 (UTC)


 * The number of unreliable websites doesn't matter. They are still unreliable. But admittedly Falling in Reverse does often associate itself with the metalcore scene. However, the two songs that you named are basically their only examples of actual metalcore. Almost every other song by the band can be categorized as pop punk and alternative rock. Most of their songs have absolutely no screamed vocals and no breakdowns, both staples in metalcore music. While they use screamed vocals on occasion, that doesn't automatically make them metalcore. Most of their songs, especially their debut single "Raised by Wolves," are just post-hardcore. --  ♪ ChrisBkoolio     ...    (Talk)    21:02, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

How exactly is Allmusic reliable? None of the songs are Pop Punk or Alternative Rock, and there's more Post-Hardcore and metalcore songs, please explain what songs are Pop Punk or Alternative Rock? 82.0.90.20 (talk) 13:14, 12 April 2012 (UTC)ericdeaththe2nd82.0.90.20 (talk) 13:14, 12 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Allmusic never calls Falling in Reverse a metalcore band. Please know what you're talking about before you respond. And I don't need to waste my time listing every single Falling in Reverse song. but to humor you, here are a few of their pop punk / alternative rock songs: "Caught Like a Fly," "Pick Up the Phone," "I'm Not a Vampire," "The Westerner," and "Listen Up" (which is a textbook example of pop punk). The bottom line is that there are no reliable sources that call this band metalcore, because quite simply they are not a metalcore band. --  ♪ ChrisBkoolio     ...    (Talk)    14:28, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

I never said Allmusic said they were i was saying that its wrong, but seriously Allmusic called FIR screamo and indie rock..., Caught Like A Fly and Pick Up the Phone are not Pop Punk XDDD they contain samples of screamo, and please Listen Up was recorded when Ronnie was 18 he doesn't consider it a FIR song, also it was a demo, and how exactly is Allmusic reliable 86.2.131.68 (talk) 16:19, 12 April 2012 (UTC)ericdeaththe2nd86.2.131.68 (talk) 16:19, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Also the Wiki article for the album doesn't mention Alternative Rock but does mention Metalcore being the albums genres, please tell me why the owners of the Wiki Page state its Post Hardcore, Pop Punk, Metalcore and not Post Hardcore, Pop Punk, Alternative Rock. If FIR was Alternative Rock then how come theres no genre on it stated on their First Album's wiki page? Now i know Wiki Pages aren't considered reliable sources at all but there should be reliable sources stating the album is Metalcore 86.2.131.68 (talk) 16:23, 12 April 2012 (UTC)ericdeaththe2nd86.2.131.68 (talk) 16:23, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * "and "Listen Up" (which is a textbook example of pop punk)." Actually Listen Up was used as a promotional song, and isn't actually a song by Falling in Reverse.  It's Ronnie Radke singing a pop song in 2004 before he joined Escape the Fate. I think FIR is Metalcore but (Post-Hardcore is sufficient imo). TJD2 (talk) 02:10, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Enough talk about Listen Up, let's drift back to the original subject, shall we?Considering Allmusic is not only a professional music website, but a company owned by another major company probably means it's going to be reliable. Allmusic never said Falling in Reverse was Indie rock, they said Falling in Reverse was Alternative Rock and/or Indie. The only slight metalcore song on their debut album is Goodbye Graceful. The other hardcore tracks (Don't Mess With.... and Sink or Swim) are easily post-hardcore. The Drug In Me Is You, Good Girls Bad Guys, and Tragic Magic are alternative rock/pop punk. Raised by Wolves is the epitome of a post-hardcore song. I'm Not a Vampire, Pick Up The Phone, Caught Like a Fly, and The Westerner are alternative rock. The genres are best left at post-hardcore, pop punk, and alternative rock. Plus, nearly every song on the album has major pop-elements in the chorus. Panic Reaper (talk) 21:22, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Firstly Listen Up wasn't our subject, Allmusic said ETF were Nu-Metal, and made many numerous mistakes on these bandsm e.g A smile from the trenches, I am a genre expert and if i could contact Allmusic and let them know about their mistakes i would. Also Allmusic doesn't say any band are Metalcore so you should use your ears, and there Alternative Rock songs you mentioned some of those songs were actually Post-Hardcore and if they are Pop Punk or Alternative Rock then please add it to The drug in me is you albums page please, to avoid confusion when they look at the FIR page and see metalcore isn't on there or Pop Punk or Alternative Rock isn't on the album page then it'll cause confusion. 86.2.129.236 (talk) 17:22, 20 April 2012 (UTC)ericdeaththe2nd86.2.129.236 (talk) 17:22, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Did you read my post at all? Read it clearly and read Chrisbkoolio's posts as well. The fact is just that Falling in Reverse is simply not metalcore. Chrisbkoolio already explained everything. There's only one slight metalcore song on the album and that is Goodbye Graceful.Panic Reaper (talk) 22:36, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. It just takes some people a while to understand. --  ♪ ChrisBkoolio     ...    (Talk)    17:01, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry did you read mine at all, i think Allmusic are liars, see if you take strongly to this then fine, but Pop Punk is a waste of time, alternative rock hmmm debatable. I think Post-Hardcore should be the only one up there Ericdeaththe2nd (talk) 23:41, 20 April 2012 (UTC)ericdeaththe2ndEricdeaththe2nd (talk) 23:41, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

For the record, I agree with you about allmusic being an unreliable source for genres. Unfortunately it is not viewed as such by Identifying reliable sources. I've started a dialogue about this here if you want to discuss it.Hoponpop69 (talk) 14:25, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Finally someone who agrees, and yes I agree. I will join now Ericdeaththe2nd (talk) 15:56, 23 April 2012 (UTC)ericdeaththe2ndEricdeaththe2nd (talk) 15:56, 23 April 2012 (UTC)


 * You're wasting your time. This is not a metalcore band. I don't feel like repeating everything that I've already discussed here. As far as I see it, this conversation is over. --  ♪ ChrisBkoolio     ...    (Talk)    17:01, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * And as for the genre screamo in the infobox: I personally wouldn't vote for its inclusion, but at least it's referenced, unlike metalcore. Post-hardcore is certainly sufficient. Screamo isn't much of a stretch, however; it is a derivative form of hardcore punk and post-hardcore with emphasis on stylistic transitions and screamed vocals. Would that accurately describe this band? Possibly. But that's another topic entirely (one that I don't particularly want to discuss). Ultimately the band does not meet the stylistic definition of metalcore.--  ♪ ChrisBkoolio     ...    (Talk)    17:12, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

No matter what your say FIR will shouldn't be Pop Punk, so today class your homework is to listen to Busted - Thunderbirds and FIR - the drug in me is you, then tell me how exactly they are similar. Secondly I disagree i think screamo is to heavy for them, especially if you call them Pop Punk. I would let it go if metalcore was up there with Pop Punk and Alternative Rock, but if i had to change my opinion i think Post Hardcore and Alternative Rock should be the only ones up there, if they were then i would also agree with Screamo 109.150.166.186 (talk) 19:46, 24 April 2012 (UTC)ericdeaththe2nd109.150.166.186 (talk) 19:46, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: Opinions don't matter. And screamo is certainly not heavier than metalcore. You probably have no idea what screamo is. Read the thoroughly referenced "Characteristics" section of the articles for those genres before you claim to know what they are. --  ♪ ChrisBkoolio     ...    (Talk)    19:53, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * By the way, I would completely agree to having just post-hardcore and alternative rock mentioned in the infobox. That's actually a pretty good suggestion. :) --  ♪ ChrisBkoolio     ...    (Talk)    19:53, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

I gathered that now, and I'm sure but in that discussion on my talk isn't Metalcore a form of hardcore punk and extreme metal, or heavy metal, and that screamo built up of Hardcore Punk and Emo if so, then surely metals heavier then emo. Sorry the other post's on the talk all said different things, and yeah because i think Pop Punk is just to light but its properly right. Ericdeaththe2nd (talk) 15:58, 25 April 2012 (UTC)ericdeaththe2ndEricdeaththe2nd (talk) 15:58, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Please note
An administrator, User:Drmies, has said this section:

"basically consists of a bunch of guys wanking over what songs are in what genres and why they are experts. Allmusic is generally considered to be reliable for genres, and they list a bunch of genres including screamo. Edit-warring aside (I'm going to count reverts in a moment), Hoponpop appears to be correct. Besides, you keep removing a reference to Allmusic--on what grounds? No, those edit summaries that boil down to "shut up it's on the talk page", well, it's not on the talk page, at least no consensus that can be called reasonably argued on the basis of reliable sources. Oh, if a reliable source calls something country, it's country. You seem to be arguing from your own taste and convictions". Hoponpop69 (talk) 14:49, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Okay guys big editing issue here, Allmusic is reliable for Biography not for genres. User: User:IllaZilla quotes that "'Allmusic's biographies, reviews, and credits are widely accepted as reliable, but its sidebar lists of genres and styles are generally dismissed because all they do is list genres, they don't provide any context or description of how or why the act fits those descriptors. We tend to place much more weight on how the act is described in the biographies and reviews than in the sidebars.'" So can someone please find a "Reliable source" for alternative rock, pop punk, screamo and metalcore. Ericdeaththe2nd  talk

Also User:Drmies I could report your language to an admin the "basically consists of a bunch of guys wanking over what songs are in what genres and why they are experts." is offensive and has no place in wikipedia, also I want to note that Allmusic is reliable for Reviews, Biographys and Credits, whilst many of its genre listings have been dismissed, please find a source which discusses the genre not some sidebox on some website, secondly me and chris never said "shut up it's on the talk page" so please think your arguement thoroughly. Ericdeaththe2nd  (talk )
 * Ericdeaththe2nd, I never thought about the language but I agree an admin has no excuse for using it on a public website...children go on these sites. And he is wrong in my opinion because he states "if it's sourced as X it IS X.  So Creed for example is sourced as Christian rock on some websites, but THE BAND THEMSELVES state they are not.  This puts a HUGE hole inUser:Drmies's statement.  That Hoponpop guy almost got me blocked for deffending the page.  I agree, if any more genres are to be added, sources excluding Allmusic should be used.  We should also have an admin look into the language issue. TJD2 (talk) 23:55, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Agreed and Hoponpop should be blocked himself, I remember looking back he erased all the members exluding scott, mika and nason which is considered vandalism. Also I agree although Drmies did help me on the A smile from the trenches page but after insulting us i thought it was unnecessary, Also FIR is metalcore but a more "pop" like metalcore i have found a source for it but it was another sidebox source. Ericdeaththe2nd  (talk )

Would you consider this an reliable source User:Panic Reaper posted it http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/store/artist/album/0,,8976881,00.html  Ericdeaththe2nd   (talk)

Ronnie Radical Radke
Guys working on this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation/Ronnie_Radke, can you please help me create and find reliable sources Ericdeaththe2nd (talk) 23:11, 14 April 2012 (UTC)ericdeaththe2ndEricdeaththe2nd (talk) 23:11, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The article will be redirected to this page. He does not qualify for his own page. Panic Reaper (talk) 21:11, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

He's been in two bands, featured vocals with blessthefall, recording a song with deuce, has appeared on tv, has had a criminal pass, but he doesn't qualify for an article Ericdeaththe2nd (talk) 21:23, 20 April 2012 (UTC)ericdeaththe2ndEricdeaththe2nd (talk) 21:23, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

How is it that Craig Mabbitt qualifies for his own article, yet there is just as much info if not more on Ronnie? As Eric said he's been in two bands, featured in various other bands, recorded a rap song, been in many interviews, etc. I'd almost say he's even more qualified than Craig to have an article of his own. Carson Allen has his own article as well as Omar Espinoza, yet they don't have nearly as much exposure as Ronnie. TJD2 (talk) 04:17, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Craig Mabbitt has been in numerous bands and has a solo project, as well as Omar and Carson. Ronnie's only been in 2. Ronnie has not done vocals for blessthefall. Every artist does "many interviews". A rap song? Has that song officially been released under a record label? I don't think so. He has a criminal past? Cool, so do millions of other people, go make articles for them. He's done vocals with one person? Craig Mabbitt has collaborated with many. I've been on TV before, am I qualified for an article? No. Does Ronnie have his own TV show? I don't think so.
 * P.S. Why are you bringing Craig Mabbitt into this anyway? Craig has been in multiple bands, labels, has an upcoming side project, has collaborated with many artists, has provided vocals for many other artists, has filled in for multiple bands such as Scary Kids Scaring Kids, etc. Panic Reaper (talk) 22:08, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

I brought him up because he's been in three bands (BTF, ETF, and The World Alive), and has been featured in a few songs by other bands. Ronnie has been in two bands (ETF and FIR), and has also been featured in other songs by other artists. The two of them each have enough sources to qualify for an article, yet Craig qualifies but Ronnie doesn't. I just found it odd that's all. Aslo, all Omar's article talks about is his time with ETF and a paragraph about Perfect Like Me. There are 14 sources all of which lead to ETF and FIR albums/biographys. So by this logic Omar wouldn't qualify for an article either. TJD2 (talk) 22:40, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

I completely think that he is notable enough for his own page. He has been in two very successful bands, been on TV, and had spent time in prison. His prison sentence was quite controversial considering that to this day he claims he shouldn't have been to prison. The number of bands someone has been in is not the only factor considering which 2 bands he was in. Everyone with a criminal record doesn't have a page because they have done anything else notable. Ronnie has collaborated with more than one. Ronnie was on LA Ink which is more notable than being on the local TV stations charity marathon. He has been featured on countless magazine covers and has only just begun. He should have his own page so that this page remains a band page not a page that is mainly focused on my one member. 198.53.4.30 (talk) 09:33, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * That is a very good point...most of the FIR talk page practically REVOLVES around Ronnie. TJD2 (talk) 19:04, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

could we use this image
Found it on spanish wiki — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.170.2 (talk) 19:08, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Omar Espinosa
would he be an associated act — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.205.53.223 (talk) 16:39, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Mocking Max Green's entrance into rehab?
I've listened to The Drug in Me is You numerous times and i can't find one song that mocks Max's entrance into rehab.On Twitter Ronnie and Max are even talking to each other. I believe that the note should be removed. Someone needs to find proof of this claim or it should be corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.93.65.174 (talk) 03:07, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree. I've listened to the record over and over when it first came out and haven't found a single lyric suggesting such.  Besides it's not even sourced.  Removing. Oh and please sign your posts next time by typing four tildes (~) consecutively. Thanks!TJD2 (talk) 03:43, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Khaled Biersack
Khaled biersack was a short-lived member who was in FIR till he was replaced by a more exprienced scott gee 90.205.53.223 (talk) 22:23, 5 May 2012 (UTC)ericdeaththe2nd90.205.53.223 (talk) 22:23, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Source? TJD2 (talk) 22:46, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

I'll look now 90.205.53.223 (talk) 12:07, 6 May 2012 (UTC)ericdeaththe2nd90.205.53.223 (talk) 12:07, 6 May 2012 (UTC) not good sources, but i know he was ,but he was barely memorable. since he was short-lived, its hard to find reliable sources 90.205.53.223 (talk) 12:07, 6 May 2012 (UTC)ericdeaththe2nd90.205.53.223 (talk) 12:07, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=Khaled+Biersack+falling&oq=Khaled+Biersack+falling&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=hp.3...32054.190336.2.191300.10.10.0.0.0.1.1360.6725.1j3j6-1j4.9.0...0.0.yQQCurvzcnA&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=9d406f46a04988ea&biw=1366&bih=639
 * http://zeromuch.net/music/CttAAr/mika_horiuchi_bass.html,http://www.mashpedia.es/Falling_in_Reverse
 * https://www.facebook.com/FiRChile?sk=info
 * http://zomobo.net/falling-in-reverse-the-departure-read-description-lyrics
 * http://www.rtbot.net/radkes
 * Fair enough. I don't know much about the guy so I'll leave it to someone who does to look into it.  To be honest I didn't even know he existed until you posted here. TJD2 (talk) 19:32, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Khaled never was a member of the band, there is no valid reference or endorsed by the band. Looking around the internet and see that Ronnie Radke and Khaled Biersack have no musical relationship.

Please provide a reliable source for your theory, and please sign your posts  Ericdeaththe2nd

Ronnie Ficarro
I want to create an article for Ron Ficarro but i want to know is he notable enough? Ericdeaththe2nd

Anthony Avila
I don't think he was the lead guitarist i think that was gilbert because Jacky was in the band when Anthony was in the band so I persume Jacky was the Lead Guitarist  Ericdeaththe2nd

It's okay, when Gilbert left both Jacky and Anthonys guitar playing was expectational, so they co-leaded guitars depending on the song   Ericdeaththe2nd

Block IP's
can we please block User:98.234.119.219, the have continued to vandalise the page to much removing all former members  Ericdeaththe2nd    — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.0.199.50 (talk) 17:29, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Found this in the Spanish wikipedia
Catalano and Avila left the band due to a fight between them and Nick Rich left the band due to his studies. Rich was replaced by Oskar Garcia, who left in mid-2010. Jacky Vincent was contacted by Nason UK via MySpace, and traveled to the United States to join the band. Derek Jones, after leaving A Smile from the Trenches joined in mid 2010. They had hired Khaled Biersack till he was replaced by a more exprienced drummer, Scott Gee, the drummer of LoveHateHero, who was involved in parallel until April 2011, which was replaced by Ryan Seaman, former member of I Am Ghost and The Bigger Lights.   Schoeffler left the band on April 22, 2011, to devote himself to be vocalist MeMyselfAlive,   Wjo was replaced by former bassist Cellador Mika Horiuchi. 

Members
As well as this, on May 16th 2012, Ronnie had called 'Wikipedia' a liar denying that Falling in Reverse has had '9' former members (one being Omar who made a guest appearance), but this was later disproved by videos of Jacky Vincent, Nason Schoeffler alongside previous members e.g Nick Rich and Anthony Avila, which have appeared all over Youtube. Also names and photos had appeared on FIR's Official myspace of Oskar García but had been changed or been removed since the members departure. Pictures of the band with Nick Rich snd Anthony Avila had appeared on many sites, as well as some old 'From Behind These Walls' photos with Gilbert Catalano , and individual pictures of Oskar García alone , not only this but Gilbert had confirmed on his Youtube and Bandpage that he use to be a member.

Prove that all those members exist Ericdeaththe2nd (talk) 19:29, 13 December 2012 (UTC)ericdeaththe2nd
 * What you need is information from reliable sources, not Facebook pages and whatnot, and stuff about what photos or whatever was seen where is just not interesting. Also, some dude calling Wikipedia a liar is just nonsense, if only for the fact that there is no one Wikipedia that speaks. There's Wikipedia editors, who work on these articles, including you. Drmies (talk) 19:32, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Proof
As well as this, on May 16th 2012, Ronnie had called 'Wikipedia' a liar denying that Falling in Reverse has had '9' former members (one being Omar who made a guest appearance), but this was later disproved by videos of Jacky Vincent, Nason Schoeffler alongside previous members e.g Nick Rich and Anthony Avila, which have appeared all over Youtube. Also names and photos had appeared on FIR's Official myspace of Oskar García but had been changed or been removed since the members departure. Pictures of the band with Nick Rich snd Anthony Avila had appeared on many sites, as well as some old 'From Behind These Walls' photos with Gilbert Catalano , and individual pictures of Oskar García alone , not only this but Gilbert had confirmed on his Youtube and Bandpage that he use to be a member.

Read this and the links Ericdeaththe2nd (talk) 19:35, 13 December 2012 (UTC)ericdeaththe2nd

They may have been a Member of the band back in the day before they ever did anything. But when the band started working on actual music for their current album they weren't a member. No music was released with them in it. there is no OFFICIAL record of them being a part of the band. Why should they get shown on Wikipedia if they claim to have been in the band before it even was really a band? i could claim to have been in the band back then, do i get to be on the wikipedia too?--Kygora 04:21, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Kygora, what are you doing? Here you are maintaining what seems to be a perfectly reasonable position which agrees with our guidelines, and yet here you are again reverting my removal of a bunch of chit-chat and fan talk, including all the trivial OR and Facebook nonsense you are denouncing. I can only assume that your (insufficiently explained) revert was made in error, and I will act on that assumption. One more thing: stop using Twinkle to make such reverts. It has a nasty aftertaste of rollback to it. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 06:05, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

False Members
Anthony Avila, Gilbert Catalano, Oscar Garcia, Khaled Biersack... These members were never official members of the band. Ronnie says that they just said they were in the band, but they were not. Ronnie Radke has said in an interview about en: wikipedia liar. There were recordings before the album "The Drug in Me is You", Falling in Reverse arrived to launch a demo in 2009.

Demo songs (check the date of videos uploaded):
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXLLZS5MMm0
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYT7Xp2MvVs
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHGnv4lgfb0
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c9_UXxfrRE

Track listing:
 * 1) The Departure
 * 2) Raw Not Final
 * 3) Listen Up
 * 4) The Worst Time

Musicians:
 * Ronnie Radke — vocals
 * Nason Schoeffler — bass
 * Jacky Vincent— guitar
 * Nick Rich — drums

"they do not have nine members, or nine former members for that matter"
 * http://q103albany.com/lead-singer-falling-in-reverse-says-wikipedia-liar/

"The band came together because of Nason. I was like, “I’m going to give up singing, man. I’m just going to work a job.” I remember Nason looked at me—I was coming down off of pills—and he’s like, “Dude. You can’t do anything else, man. You were born for this.” I’ll never forget that. That was right when I was wanted on the news, I was at his house. The [U.S. Marshals] came and got me the next day. I was like, “Hey, Nason, do you want to be in my band?” And he’s like, “Yeah, dude.” A month later, he just started a MySpace page and started building and building and building. We changed the name From Behind These Walls to Falling in Reverse, because Falling in Reverse means so much more, right?

It just started building and building. Then he met a guy named Jacky [Vincent]. He has a degree in music and there’s nobody in this industry, in our genres of music, that’s better than him. He is seriously the best. [Search for him on] YouTube. He’s like a Steve Vai. He’s that good. And he’s 21 years old. He’s like [Avenged Sevenfold guitarist] Synyster Gates, he’s really good. Then we got this guy named Derek [Jones], he played in the Agony Scene. He also played in this band called A Smile From The Trenches. We’ve been going through drummers. A couple drummers didn’t work out because there were some drugs involved, and I don’t want to be around anybody that does drugs. We’re just going to have somebody fill in for the drums on the album. We’ll find a drummer, though. We’re supposed to drive [on] the 27th to go record this album."


 * http://www.altpress.com/features/entry/exclusive_ex-escape_the_fate_vocalist_ronnie_radke_breaks_his_silence_after/P1

There were seven former members of his band. Are you working hard?

No, I'm not. It's just that I was in prison and all these people were saying they were part of the banda. I had no control over them. When I left, things changed. It was my banda fucking. And these people could not say anything. I was out. While I was in prison, I had no control over that. I could not do anything. Many people were talking about me.

Official members

 * Current members
 * Ronnie Radke — lead vocals (2006 or 2008-presente)
 * Jacky Vincent — lead guitar (2008-presente)
 * Derek Jones — rhythm guitar, backing vocals (2010-presente)
 * Ryan Seaman — drums, percussion, backing vocals (2011-presente)
 * Ron Ficarro - bass guitar, backing vocals (2012-presente)


 * Former members
 * Nason Schoeffler — bass guitar, backing vocals (2006 or 2008–2011)
 * Nick Rich — drums, percussion, backing vocals (2008–2009)
 * Scott Gee — drums, percussion, backing vocals (2010–2011)
 * Mika Horiuchi —bass guitar, backing vocals (2011–2012)

Wrong
That link was not even reliable, I know gilbert and anthony, they were both members and even confirmed it, there is a video where nason alongside anthony and jacky and nich which confirms they are members. Gilbert has his own youtube channel and confirms he was in the band till he was dismissed because they felt he played a different style.
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G0NDc_LRx0 - you can see here they are with Jacky and Nason who were in the band.
 * http://www.myspace.com/fallinginreverse/photos/albums/album/1249868 - you can see on their official myspace there are photos of oscar
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7pLceFsEqg - you can see in the info that it says gilbert was on guitar, they got the info from the myspace as it was in 2009 before FIR changed the info.

Ronnie denies it a lot due to the fact that they are on bad terms with him and because people judge bands with a lot of former members. He also announced Gilberts departure on Facebook. https://www.facebook.com/notes/ronnie-radke/falling-in-reverse-ronnie-radke-new-band-/144482031114

Ericdeaththe2nd (talk) 15:46, 21 February 2013 (UTC)ericdeaththe2nd


 * these links do not say anything, gil may even have played guitar but was not a member official, and the others do not even talk. UchimakiPro (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:03, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit warring
All of you, stop it. This is childish. Edit warriors will be blocked if this flares up after protection runs out: you have three days to come to a consensus. See Edit warring and let this serve as a warning to you all. Also, Information must be based on reliable sources. Good luck. Drmies (talk) 16:26, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

I have an idea! Why don't we display it as


 * Current members
 * Ronnie Radke — lead vocals (2006 or 2008-present)
 * Jacky Vincent — lead guitar (2008-present)
 * Derek Jones — rhythm guitar, backing vocals (2010-present)
 * Ryan Seaman — drums, percussion, backing vocals (2011-present)
 * Ron Ficarro - bass guitar, backing vocals (2012-present)


 * Former members
 * Nason Schoeffler — bass guitar, backing vocals (2006–2011)
 * Nick Rich — drums, percussion, backing vocals (2008–2009)
 * Scott Gee — drums, percussion, backing vocals (2010–2011)
 * Mika Horiuchi —bass guitar, backing vocals (2011–2012)


 * Unofficial members
 * Anthony Avila - lead guitar, backing vocals (2008-2009)
 * Gilbert Catalano - rhythm guitar, backing vocals (2009-2010)
 * Oscar Garcia - drums, percussion, backing vocals (2009-2010)
 * Khaled Biersack - drums, percussion (2010)

Ericdeaththe2nd (talk) 16:34, 21 February 2013 (UTC)ericdeaththe2nd

Also for the genres I'm happy to have glam metal and hard rock in the genres but can we display it as post-hardcore, metalcore, melodic hardcore, glam metal, hard rock, pop punk. Ericdeaththe2nd (talk) 16:38, 21 February 2013 (UTC)ericdeaththe2nd

Well they can be cited in this way, but not as official members. After several reliable sources say they never were official members. UchimakiPro (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:41, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Kind of confused, on the myspace page it has photos of Oscar titled "Oskar - Drums", which was uploaded by the band. That can count as either one to be honest, and that interview says they were members but ronnie said it was never official, therefore they were unofficial.

Are you trying to say it could be put that way? Or did you not finish your sentence, just you put "until". Ericdeaththe2nd (talk) 16:46, 21 February 2013 (UTC)ericdeaththe2nd
 * What are those reliable sources? Just asking. As a general rule, it's not a good idea to cite things because they appeared on MySpace or Facebook pages. Drmies (talk) 18:13, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 24 February 2013
gil catalano was a part of this band at the same time as nason and nick. you need to add him
 * no, he was notAstronn (talk) 12:07, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

98.113.30.36 (talk) 06:23, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -- Red rose64 (talk) 12:27, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Years active
I tried to fix it but someone reverted it. How come the band says they've been active since 2008, yet it says Radke was in the band since 2006? How can you be a member of a band that doesn't exist? Also Ronnie himself said he created the band when he was in prison. He originaly wanted to call it "From Behind These Walls". So the band was formed in 2008? Riiiight?Teresa44 (talk) 22:51, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Ronnie formed "From Behind These Walls" in 2006 and invited Nason, but soon after he returned to the ETF, and after he had been banned of ETF in 2008, Falling in Reverse started.

"The band came together because of Nason. I was like, “I’m going to give up singing, man. I’m just going to work a job.” I remember Nason looked at me—I was coming down off of pills—and he’s like, “Dude. You can’t do anything else, man. You were born for this.” I’ll never forget that. That was right when I was wanted on the news, I was at his house. The [U.S. Marshals] came and got me the next day. I was like, “Hey, Nason, do you want to be in my band?” And he’s like, “Yeah, dude.” A month later, he just started a MySpace page and started building and building and building. We changed the name From Behind These Walls to Falling in Reverse, because Falling in Reverse means so much more, right? It just started building and building. Then he met a guy named Jacky [Vincent]. He has a degree in music and there’s nobody in this industry, in our genres of music, that’s better than him. He is seriously the best. [Search for him on] YouTube. He’s like a Steve Vai. He’s that good. And he’s 21 years old. He’s like [Avenged Sevenfold guitarist] Synyster Gates, he’s really good. Then we got this guy named Derek [Jones], he played in the Agony Scene. He also played in this band called A Smile From The Trenches. We’ve been going through drummers. A couple drummers didn’t work out because there were some drugs involved, and I don’t want to be around anybody that does drugs. We’re just going to have somebody fill in for the drums on the album. We’ll find a drummer, though. We’re supposed to drive [on] the 27th to go record this album."


 * sources:
 * http://www.altpress.com/features/entry/exclusive_ex-escape_the_fate_vocalist_ronnie_radke_breaks_his_silence_after/P1
 * http://q103albany.com/lead-singer-falling-in-reverse-says-wikipedia-liar/

AtheistRomero (talk) 23:04, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Ronnie Radke Possibly Quitting
http://www.underthegunreview.net/2013/05/19/rumor-ronnie-radke-walks-out-on-falling-in-reverse/

It seems that Ronnie may have resigned from the band, so definitely keep an eye on the news until it is confirmed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.224.105.36 (talk) 05:43, 19 May 2013 (UTC)


 * This is very fake. All information posted on the website were false, the site "Pup Fresh" (known to increase the notices in order to generate media). In such a "reliable source" which the website noted, is nothing more than a fan who even have direct contact with the band, just playing online with guitarist Derek Jones.


 * The wife of Radke posted on his twitter, they cancel the tour because they will have a baby.

@crissyhenderson: "This is a lie lie lie! He's having a fucking baby! “@PupFresh: Ronnie Radke walks out on Falling In Reverse members” " (http://www.twitter.com/crissyhenderson/status/335939983703683073)


 * And the supposed "reliable source" posted on his twitter too.

@OfficialFIRFans: "I did not text Derek. We hardly talk the only time I see him is when we play COD we talk nothing but Call of Duty shit. Not FIR news." (http://www.twitter.com/OfficialFIRFans/status/335921093137268736)

AtheistRomero (talk) 15:18, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * and sources that talk about Radke have a baby.
 * http://www.altpress.com/news/entry/falling_in_reverse_cancel_remaining_tour_dates_as_ronnie_radke_prepares_for
 * http://www.alterthepress.com/2013/05/falling-in-reverse-cancel-tour-frontman.html
 * http://loudwire.com/falling-in-reverse-nix-tour-dates-frontman-ronnie-radke-be-with-pregnant-girlfriend/

Member time line
Is it worth adding the "Significant Others" to the timeline? To fill in those durations where Jacky joined mid 2008 (after gil left) and the gaps before Derek and Scott?

Ericdeaththe2nd (talk) 12:03, 11 February 2014 (UTC)ericdeaththe2nd

Genre Discussion
I was going to wait to see if Binksternet would start a thread here, but forget it, I'll just do this myself.

Binksternet keeps insisting the trim down the infobox genres down to only post-hardcore, saying it's the most general genre associated with the band. I can't see how it's anymore general than pop punk, hard rock or metalcore, which are all currently listed alongside post-hardcore, and which are all cited in the prose by multiple sources. Even if that was the case, "aim for generality" is only a template suggestion, which is superseded by WP:V and WP:MOS. Even if we're going by template suggestions, the template also suggests to use somewhere from 2-4 genres anyway. Binksternet was trying to trim it down to 1, and I'm trying to keep it at 4.

Not to mention, other editors keep messing around with the genres a lot lately. For these reasons, can we just establish some kind of consensus here?

Personally, I would keep the four that I was trying keep it at: post-hardcore, pop punk, hard rock and metalcore. Maybe also glam metal, if we're pushing things. Some input from other editors would be nice. 75.129.101.158 (talk) 09:21, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Timeline
I believe the timeline should stay the way I have because some members roles cannot be summarized at just "backing vocals" such Derek Jones', Max Greens, Ryan Seamens's Ron Ficarro's, and Nason Schoeffler;s because they provide co-lead/co-screaming vocals while Jacky Vincent or other members will only provide backing vocals on the chorus, a much smaller part then the members I think should be listed as vocals. Below are some bands that follow what I have on this page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dead_Rabbitts#Band_members https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blessthefall#Members https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_Attack!#Band_members

JD.LaVanway (talk) 15:13, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

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