Talk:Ferrari/Archive 1

Rampant Horse
I was wondering if any might know who Count Francesco Baracca commissioned to paint the Rampant Horse on his plan?

Thank you!

C.J. Hepburn

I changed the Scuderia logo back to the old version in the "Cavallino Rampante" chapter. The images there shall demonstrate the similarity between the Cavallino and the Stuttgart Coat of Arms. Thus, it does not make sense to show here the logo on a car. --Pfg 16:58, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I deleted & rewrote this:
 * "The horse was originally the symbol of Count Francesco Baracca, a legendary asso (ace) of the Italian air force during World War I, who painted it on the side of his planes. Baracca died very young on June 19, 1918, shot down after 34 victories; he soon became a national hero.


 * "Baracca had wanted the prancing horse on his planes because his squad, the "Battaglione Aviatori", was enrolled in a Cavalry regiment (air forces were at their first years of life and had no separate administration), and also because he himself was reputed to be the best cavaliere of his team.


 * "It has been supposed the choice of a horse was perhaps partly because his noble family was known for having many horses on their estates at Lugo di Romagna. However another theory suggests Baracca copied the rampant horse design from a shot down German pilot who had the emblem of the city of Stuttgart on his plane. This is supported by the evidence Barraca's horse looks more similar to the one of Stuttgart (not changed since 1938) than the current Ferrari design, especially as the legs of the horses are concerned.


 * "Interestingly, rival German sports car manufacturer Porsche designed its logo by embeddeding the prancing horse logo of Stuttgart into the emblem of the state of Württemberg, just like the city is placed within the state. In the 1920s, Ferdinand Porsche had constructed supercharged cars for Mercedes-Benz in Stuttgart before starting his own engineering company there in the 1930s, designing the Auto Union race cars, amongst others.


 * "Curiously, the name Stuttgart is derived from Stutengarten, an ancient form of the modern German word Gestüt, which translates into English as stud farm and into Italian as scuderia. In turn, the Italians call Stuttgart Stoccarda. Obviously, the Ferrari-led Alfa team often met the Silver Arrows Mercedes-Benz (from Stuttgart itself) and later Auto Union at race tracks in the 1920s and 30s, so each knew of the other.

While interesting, this isn't relevant to Ferrari. (I also sense an Italian bias.) If anyone wants to include it on the Baracca page, with reference to his influence on Ferrari, feel free. Trekphiler 23:54, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Thinking about the history of the cavallino, it occurs to me we could & should create a page on side/nose art, where its use might be mentioned. Could also include the Stork of 12h Fighter Gp (Fr AF), the Hat in the Ring (17h Aero Sqn, USAAS?), & the like. Comment? Trekphiler 11:26, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

I restored the original version of the "cavallino rampante" chapter because it is interesting information and the chapter is no too long. In my (and I believe many other's)opinion this is very "ferrari-relevant".--Pfg 17:46, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Sure, just bin other people's work of one week! I've re-reverted and edited it. If you think more infos need to be in the text, do it properly! --Matthead 23:35, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Ok, Matthead, but I added again the two main theories for the origin of Baracca's "cavallino". This information is very"ferrari-relevant". --Pfg 17:25, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Li'l GTO
Can somebody correct the sidebar reference to the 288 GTO? I've never heard of it, & as I recall, it was a 275 (3.3L). Trekphiler 01:14, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

It is correct. The 288 GTO was based on the 308's body and has a 2.8L twin-turbocharged V8 with 400hp. It was the supercar predecessor to the F40 and widely regarded as one of the most exciting and understated Ferraris of all time. I believe offical Ferrari documentation referred to the car as simply the "GTO", although it is always referred to with its number designation to avoid confusion with the 250 GTO as well as other various GTO models of other manufacturers (at least on the car forum that I moderate). Tifosi should be aware of such significant models. marcusmv3 20:32, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Dino
His name was used after his premature death (at 24?). I'd have added why, but can't recall; I think it was leukemia. Trekphiler 00:36, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Legend has it that the V6 engine that Enzo used in the first Dino named model was designed by Dino himself on his deathbed, although I have seen no solid proof for this. marcusmv3 20:35, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Mozilla Problem
Trying to open this page in Firefox 1.0.4 causes it to freeze and crash. Any ideas why? (This does not happen when looking at other pages in Wikipedia.) MrHumperdink 04:04, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
 * No idea, but the 1.0.x versions are outdated, as 1.5.0.1 (or later?) is available and working fine. Maybe the issue was known and corrected already. You could investigate yourself by "try & error", i. e. opening old versions until it doesn't crash anymore. You also could notice the Mozilla/Firefox-developers, but I suspect they do not care too much about older versions. --Matthead 09:21, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

(This is the only page on Wikipedia that crashes Firefox 1.0.4 - at least that I have came across...is there some extra code or something added? EDIT: Could it be that the 'Ferrari logo' and the 'coat of arms' images are ".svg" files?)

Yeah, this happens to me too with Netscape. Not just this page, but every page having to do with Ferrari seems to cause my browser to freeze and crash.

Out of date
The records by the ferrari f1 team are out of date I believe. --Ballchef 07:15, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Random Text
There is some random text in capital letters throughout the history section of the page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.185.236.111 (talk) 20:39, 27 February 2007 (UTC).
 * Removed. DH85868993 22:25, 27 February 2007 (UTC)



Badge, Stuttgart and Naples
I find it odd that in the section on the badge, it talks about similarities to the Coat of Arms of Stuttgart, when the Province of Naples (actually in Italy) is even more similar to the design used at the Ferrari logo. Surley this should be mentioned somewhere in the article as it is actually an Italian company. Opinions Ferrari experts? - SalvoCalcio 22:54, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Pencils
Since when did Ferrari license pencils?

--Stanleytheman 21:03, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

page move to Ferrari S.p.A.
according to Naming_conventions ("The legal status of the company (Corp., plc, Inc. or LLC), is not normally included") and Disambiguation ("When there is a well known primary meaning for a term or phrase, much more used than any other ... then that topic may be used for the title of the main article, with a disambiguation link at the top") the lemma Ferrari was and is the correct name for this article. That's why I'm going to revert that page move (which wasn't discussed here after all).--BSI (talk) 19:32, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. Thanks for doing this. -- Neil N   talk  ♦  contribs  21:10, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Ferrari Millechili
Can we add the 2010 Millechili to the models section? I got info on the car and driver magazine: weight:less than 2200 lbs, horse power:around 600, wheel base:104.3 in, engiene: V10, cars going to production:300(est.), price: at least $500,000 (not euros). The car is most likely to be fitted in the concept cars section. This is according to Car and Driver magazines, Jun 08 edition. signed by: Ferrariguy1000 (talk) 22:27, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

-I have added proof of existance of the ferrari millechili: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/car_shopping/future_cars_2009_and_beyond/2010_ferrari_millechili_car_news

WHICH YEAR IS THE 590 MODEL18:45, 5 August 2008 (UTC)66.74.74.2 (talk)ALBERT

Ferrari 246T
Where might this open wheel racing car go? --Falcadore (talk) 08:26, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Engine Displacement Naming Convention
The article states that "Four-Cylinder and V6 models used the total displacement (in decilitres) for the first two digits and the number of cylinders as the third." Then it goes on to state that the 206 was 2.0L four-cyl and the 348 was a 3.4L V6... This is blatantly wrong: The 348 was a V8 and the 206 was a V6. Wasn't it really something like "non-twelve cylinder" (not I4/V6) cars that used this naming convention? Jonheese 21:55, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Not a Ferrari expert, but, as I understand the system: V12s used displacement of 1 cyl (365=4.4 l); flat 12s used displacement/12 (512=5 l flat 12); others used decilitres/cyls (308=3 l V8, 206=2 l V6). Clear(er?)? Trekphiler (talk) 14:46, 6 January 2008 (UTC) (Recently, this seems to've been thrown out the nearest window, so the likes of the new Modena leave me completely confused...)

The Ferrari naming convention is very confusing, but what's been said here isn't quite right. The Ferrari 412S was a one of a kind 4 liter V12 built in 1958, the 412P was the customer version of the 330 P3 sold in 1967, so there were some V-12 cars built using the total displacement plus cylinder count. There were also some 4 cylinder cars that used the single cylinder displacement as the designator, like the 2 liter 500 Testa Rossa 3 liter 750 Monza and 2.5 liter 625 LM. The six cylinder inline engined cars, the 118 and 121 LM, I have no idea what convention they followed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shadowcatcher1 (talk • contribs) 05:22, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Ferrari 125 photo
I don't think the Ferrari 125 photo, featuring someone's face in front of the car, could be considered encyclopedic... maybe it should be removed. --88.12.131.66 (talk) 01:25, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

You said in the first paragraph that Enzo Ferrari founded the company in 1928 but in the bit at the side you said that ferrari was founded in 1947. There is two different answers, which is right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cr1000 (talk • contribs) 16:53, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

The P4/5 is not a Ferrari model, it was made by Pininfarina from an Enzo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rhbjorn (talk • contribs) 20:53, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

This Article is terrible. Apart from anything else, it's the best avoidance of mentioning Michael Schumacher that I've ever seen. Even if it was edited by his worst enemy, Michael Schumacher is the World's most successful racing driver ( FACT! ) and was instrumental in Ferrari's comeback in F1 ( FACT! ) and is their most successful driver ever ( FACT! ). The way these pages get edited is becoming tiresome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.44.105.1 (talk) 17:25, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Ferrari 365 GTC/4 and Ferrari 365 GT4 2+2
I've made new articles for these two models, which were previously included in the Ferrari Daytona page. Please help update/expand the new pages and correct links as required. Thanks. Spute (talk) 21:55, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Prancing horses drag me away
I'm very tempted to delete some of the "notable" drivers. Arnoux, Pironi, Tambay, & Irvine? Really? For what, being last? Much as I hate to admit it, Gilles is more notable for being killed in a Ferrari than anything else. Is there some minimum requirement? If not, I suggest there should be, like actually winning a world championship (or even a race?). TREKphiler  any time you're ready, Uhura  17:04, 6 March 2010 (UTC)


 * All of the people you mention won races for Ferrari, I'd say that would be a reasonable criteria for inclusion in that list.Tubefurnace (talk) 19:09, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Huh. I don't recall Eddie or Patrick doing it.... Even so, with Ferrari's history, shouldn't the bar be a bit higher? Just a win would be OK if it was, oh, BRM...  TREKphiler   any time you're ready, Uhura  22:05, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * 'Sfunny, I recall Eddie winning four and Patrick two. I've heard there'a a good reference resource called Wikipedia you could use to check... -- Ian Dalziel (talk) 01:19, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Y'know, I've heard WP is often criticized as being unreliable. (Any fool can edit, y'know.) And I stand by the proposition a Ferrari driver, like a Lotus or McLaren driver, should probably have to meet a higher standard. IMO, it's analogous to including every guest star of some P.I. show.  TREKphiler   any time you're ready, Uhura  08:49, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I do agree that the list is likely to grow excessively. Sooner than argue the toss about notability in Ferrari terms, though, I'd suggest deleting the thing completely and replacing it with a category. -- Ian Dalziel (talk) 11:05, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think we can delete them all; given their importance to F1 & Ferrari, leaving off Fangio & Schumie would bring howls & probably edit warring. List of Ferrari drivers, anyone? As a first idea, tho, I'd delete anybody who didn't become WDC in a Ferrari.  TREKphiler   any time you're ready, Uhura  12:18 & 12:20, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

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Data security breach 2023
Due to lax IT security precautions, Ferrari was hacked in March 2023 and its entire IT systems were encrypted using ransomware. Ferrari does not want to pay a ransom according to its own publication.

https://www.ferrari.com/en-EN/corporate/articles/cyber-incident-in-ferrari 82.135.125.110 (talk) 10:19, 21 March 2023 (UTC)