Talk:Filipino nationalism

Wikipedia vs WikiPilipinas
Dudes, this article is better suited for WikiPilipinas. TheTechieGeek63 (talk) 13:18, 27 June 2009 (UTC)


 * A WikiPilipinas:Filipino nationalism article already exists. Both that article and this WP article started from the 11:43, September 5, 2005 version of this article, but the two articles have taken different editorial forks from there.
 * I've added a refimprove tag to the article. From what I've seen, sparsity of cited sources is often an indication of WP:OR, WP:POV and/or WP:Plagarism. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 01:30, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Title
Patterned the title from the Chinese nationalism article. --Jojit fb 02:12, 8 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Shouldn't it be "Filipino nationalism" then? --Saintjust 17:00, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Brown Raise Movement
Mention of and references to Brown Raise seem to have appeared recently in this and other Filipino-focused Wikipedia articles. I'm wondering whether and to what extent this is spam. It seems to me that if this organization is to be prominently mentioned, it should meet Wikipedia's notability criteria, and there should be a Wikipedia article about it. If I was just seeing links to their website in External links sections, I might or might not remove them as apparent link spam (WP:ELNO #4). -- Boracay Bill (talk) 21:42, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Development section mis-statement?
This section says, "Spain had already ruled the Philippines for more than three centuries before Filipino nationalism developed." It seems to me that the Philippine revolts against Spain article provides a few (perhaps not all of the 53 listed, but probably some of those) counter-examples. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 02:20, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

The early revolts listed were neither directly nor indirectly linked to the 1896 Revolution that established the Philippines as a nation. Moreover, various history books written by Filipino historians etablish the execution of GomBurZa as the beginning of Filipino Nationalism.

Hmmm, you know, Philippine history is a delicate matter to edit on wikipedia. Even Filipino historians argue amongst themselves about the identity of Filipinos. Pre-Hispanic Philippines is just one side of the coin and Spanish Philippines another. For example, Teodoro Agoncillo seems to veer towards the pre-hispanic datus as the base of Filipino identity while Nick Joaquin and Jose Guerrero towards the Creole insurgencies. There seems to be a common denominator between the two schools of thought though and that is the Philippine nation was established in 1896 through that revolution. Agoncillo calls it the Revolt of the Masses (Indios) while Joaquin/Guerrero calls it the Revolt of the Ilustrados (Creoles). Historians from both schools of thought do not trace Filipino nationalism to the pre-hispanic civilizations.


 * I was apparently unclear. I take the assertion, "Filipino Nationalism is an upsurge of patriotic sentiments and nationalistic ideals in the Philippines of the 19th century that came consequently as a result of more than two centuries of Spanish rule ..." in the article's lead sentence to include the implied assertion that nationalism (from that article: "the identification of an ethnic identity with a state". "the belief that one's nation is of primary importance") did not exist in the Philippines prior to the 19th century and that movements to establish or protect a homeland did not occur in the Philippines prior to the Katipunan. In fact, such movements did occur (see the Philippine revolts against Spain article), and I'm pretty sure that participants in those movements could fairly be described as Philippine nationalists. I would describe Chief Dagami of Gabi, the primary participant in the Dagami Revolt of 1567 (which actually occurred in 1565) as having been a Philippine nationalist; the leader of the Magalat Revolt 1n 1596 is said in that WP article to have committed atrocities upon his fellow natives for refusing to rise up against the Spaniards. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 03:26, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Please render this in understandable English
From the article: "By July 1892, an Ilustrado mass man in the name of Andrés Bonifacio established a revolutionary party based on the Filipino nationalism that started with Los Hijos del País--Katipunan ng mga Anak ng Bayan." Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 06:28, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Chronological confusion
I noticed this edit adding material to the section headed Further progress of Filipino Nationalism (1820s-1860) out of chronological sequence in relation to material already present there. Then, looking at the section, I noticed that it contains material referring to dates outside of the period the header declares that it covers (1810-1813, 1807, 1816, 1762-1764, 1873). It looks to me as if some cleanup is needed here. This article is far enough outside my normal focus that I hesitate to jump in and fiddle with it, and I've got other things to do, so for now I'll just mention this apparent need for cleanup here. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 03:55, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Cleanup. Much more needed.
I did a little cleanup editing on this article today. One thing I noticed was that the lead sentence had a cite reading "Nick Joaquin, History and Culture." I could not find such a book in Google Books. I did find the following, and it seems to me that one of these might be the intended source. I'm not sure which, so I've removed the questionable citation.

This article seems to cover a lot of historical material which is not directly related to its topic. It seems to me that much of the material in this article should be removed, and perhaps merged into one or another of the articles in the History of the Philippines group of articles. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 05:49, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Political Bias?
I have noticed that some of the sections in this article are written by left-leaning professors as well as those of the right and fear that the objectivity of the article might be lost. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.144.233.140 (talk) 06:46, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

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