Talk:Ford Expedition

Bronco
The expedition was NOT the replacement for the Bronco, the explorer was the replacement, the bronco centurion (1996) was replaced by the excursion.--AlxeMsatain (talk) 05:07, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Change Oil Soon warning reset
Your new Ford may have this message: "5% Oil Life, Change Soon". I searched the internet and almost gave up until I found these instructions.

When you change the oil on new Ford Expeditions you have to reset the oil life sensor. You do this with the button above the steering wheel. Follow these steps:
 * Press setup button until you see a message that says "press RESET at oil change."
 * Press reset and it will reset the oil life to 100% —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.9.169.183 (talk • contribs)


 * Thanks - but this should have been covered in great detail in your Owner's Manual, in the "Message Center" section, "Warning Messages" (or something to that effect). Check in the index.  Most Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury vehicles have this feature, which helps protect the engine from neglect.  The oil needs to be changed every 3000-5000 miles, or 120-180 days, depending on the model and driving habits.  The "5% Oil Life" or "Change Oil Soon" message appears when you are within perhaps, for example, 150 miles of 3000 or 250 miles of 5000 miles since the last oil change and reset.  If you pass the 3000 or 5000 mile limit, the message changes to "Oil Change Required".  Normally the dealership would hit the "reset button" for you during regular maintenance servicing, but if you have the oil changed at, say, a JiffyLube or your home, then you have to reset the message yourself.  --T-dot ( Talk/ contribs ) 17:41, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I studied the owners manual thoroughly and was unable to find a way to change that "5% Oil Life, Change Soon" message. It is good to have the information available for the next person who has the same problem. We got our oil changed on our 2007 4x4 Expedition at a GM dealership because we live about an hour from the Ford dealership. Also, they washed it for FREE! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.214.26.113 (talk • contribs)


 * OK, well I checked the Master Document version of the 2007 Expedition Owner Guide (3rd Printing) and found the needed information in the Driver Controls section, page 136-137. It says:
 * OIL CHANGE REQUIRED/CHANGE OIL SOON. Displayed when the engine oil life remaining is 5 percent or less. When oil life left is between 5% and 0%, the CHANGE OIL SOON message will be displayed. When oil life left reaches 0%, the OIL CHANGE REQUIRED message will be displayed.
 * An oil change is required whenever indicated by the message center and according to the recommended maintenance schedule. USE ONLY RECOMMENDED ENGINE OILS.
 * To reset the oil monitoring system to 100% after each oil change [approximately 5,000 miles (8,000 km) or 180 days] perform the following:
 * Press and release the SETUP control to display “OIL LIFE = XXX% HOLD RESET = NEW”.
 * Press and hold the RESET control for 2 seconds and release. Oil life is set to 100% and “OIL LIFE SET TO 100%” is displayed.


 * I do deeply regret that you were unable to find this inportant information in your copy of the Owner Manual. I think I see why - in the Index (p. 372-373) under "Engine Oil" and then "change oil soon warning, message center" it indicates to look on page 334.  Unfortunately that is the page for changing the oil, not for resetting the warning message, which is on page 137.  I think this was a typo, which is regrettable.  If you could, please confirm that the needed reset information is on page 137, and mark your index accordingly so you can find it in the future.  I'm not sure we can do much about fixing the 2007 Owner Manuals, but we might be able to get it fixed for the 2008 and beyond Manuals.  --T-dot ( Talk/ contribs ) 12:26, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Who writes this?
Who write these articles? With such clear advertising claims like, "Over 500,000 Expeditions have sold since 2004, reflecting high consumer demand for its family-friendly interior, cargo space, off road capability and high towing capacity", it looks like a Ford marketing employee is writing them. That quote was taken from the "background" section. Is that relevant information for a vehicles background? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.171.119.63 (talk) 18:48, 21 July 2010 (UTC) BTW, it seems like unless that section actually contains information relevant to the background and history of the vehicle, it should be removed. The present information contained in the section has more to do with promotion than the events that lead to the design and manufacture of the vehicle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.171.119.63 (talk) 18:55, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Amazingly, that line has been here since January 2, 2006! It looks like it was added by an anonymous user who edited a lot of Ford articles.. probably not very NPOV.  Since the sales figure is four years out of date anyway, the line can be removed, or an updated sales figure can be provided (without the commentary). --Vossanova o&lt; 19:03, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Condition of article
This article has become a complete joke. With a dissertation on the four-wheel drive system, all kinds of OR about its capabilities, the usual POV, a section on "luxury" features, and a bunch of detail fit for buyer's guides and shop manuals, this page needs a lot of attention. --Sable232 (talk) 00:12, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, the phrase "best in class" needs to be changed or removed.. it is used throughout the article, and is also heavily used in Ford's own press releases.. coincidence? --Vossanova o&lt; 14:07, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

What is wrong exactly with the Luxury features section? Firstly, the third generation Expedition has a vast amount of features (many of which are not listed as it would extend that section even more, it is abridged) not found on the first and second generations. Which is why I put them in a separate section, so as not to clutter the main article of the third generation article. Why not include them in a separate section, as other vehicles here on Wikipedia list their features, some in dedicated article sections? If this is wrong, then the Luxury Amenities section that list features on the Range Rover should be removed.

Second, there is nothing wrong with listing the section as Luxury features. A synonym for the word luxury is extra, as that’s all a "luxury" is, something that is an "extra". Eating at McDonalds is a luxury, as you could stay home and fix yourself healthy food.

The four-wheel-drive section does not praise, nor does it compare the system to any other four-wheel-drive system. All it lists is general information and differences in the mode operation. Which pertain to all generations of the Expedition. What is wrong with that? Oh, and its not OR. The majority of that information can be found in the owner’s manual, which it seems few people read anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NeptuneTwo (talk • contribs) 14:50, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Exactly. It can be found in the owner's manual, so why should it be here? WP:NOTMANUAL is policy. Wikipedia has a sister project, Wikibooks, which would be the place for that kind of information. --Sable232 (talk) 14:47, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Recent edits
I have requested protection for this page and that the two editors discuss their reasons for change (or not) here on the talk page. Edit summaries -especially when in another language - are no substitute for actual discussion. I don't know myself which version is correct - if indeed either are - but I do know that edit warring over it is wrong. Chaheel Riens (talk) 16:44, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

The anonymous user (shows his/her IP address) keeps editing the model years wrongly. The vehicle entered production in 1996 for 1997 model year. The model year is normally released ahead of the actual calendar year (i.e. 2014 models are already on sale, yet its still 2013). The first generation started for 1997, the second generation for 2003, and the third generation for 2007. They have been listed that way since the page was created. It’s pretty much common knowledge. It’s also cited and documented knowledge. --Hydra-Matic (talk) 22:57, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

"''The original Ford Expedition set the standard for full-size sport utilities when introduced as a 1997 model. For 2003, we've built upon Expedition's key strengths and added many features customers have been looking for in a full-size SUV. From the passenger and cargo room to its go-anywhere toughness, the new 2003 Expedition features refinements and functionality that significantly raises the bar in the full-size SUV market."

Jim O'Connor President - Ford Division''" http://www.ford-trucks.com/specs/2003/2003_expedition.html

So 1997 for the first gen, and 2003 for the second gen. And... http://www.ford-trucks.com/specs/2007/2007_ford_expedition.html (2007 for the third generation). --Hydra-Matic (talk) 22:57, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

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Sourced material contains marketing bullshit, what to do about it?
Under headline Four-wheel drive system is some totally wrong claims that are correctly taken from the stated source and repeated as facts.

1) "The Expedition's system uses a two-speed dual range BorgWarner transfer case with a software controlled variable intelligent locking center multi-disc differential."

The vehicle has no center differential, it has a multi-disc clutch that connects the front axle to the rest of the transmission when engaged. The torque the clutch transmits can be controlled by the software as long as the output axis of the clutch connected to the front axle is rotating at slower angular speed than the input axis connected to the rear axle. No clutch can transmit power from axle with slower rotation speed to faster one, as that would violate conservation of energy as the following mathematical formulation proves:

Input torque times input angular speed = input power > output power = output torque times output angular speed due to the laws of physics. Mechanical energy will not be created by passive components of transmission (including multi-disk clutch), but since there are associated losses mechanical power is reduced hence > sign must be used.

2) Selectable Automatic Full-Time ControlTrac Four-Wheel Drive Four High (4H)	All-wheel drive (locked) "The intelligent locking center multi-disc differential is locked providing a permanently locked 50:50 torque split.[93] The front and rear drive shafts are mechanically locked together forcing them to turn together with absolute zero rotational speed difference"

Same angular speed due to locking guarantee that torque split can be anything from 100:0 to 0:100 depending on conditions. There is nothing manufacturer of the car or their marketing people can do to prevent that fact. There is zero percent probability that torque split happens to be exactly 50:50, even though it is within the allowable range, because there are infinitely many other possibilities of different torque split ratios as well that are equally probable. All the infinitely possibilities have 0% probability, to combine to exactly 100% total as required by the laws of mathematics.

3) Same false claim is repeated for "Four Low (4L)" "the permanently locked 50:50 torque split is maintained"

4) Does anyone know, is there a little different gear ratio at the front and rear differentials? If yes, that do allow transmission of power to the front even when front wheels are rotating faster than rear wheels on average, which always happens while cornering without slipping wheels. Without that, no power can be transmitted to the front while cornering if rear wheels have traction and are not slipping. That is why many car producers using Haldex multidisk clutch in place of central differential are FWD as 2WD, not RWD. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.50.116.35 (talk) 11:53, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

U553 MCA, Replacement
As an engineer, I am briefing anyone editing, that a face lifted Mid Cycle Action U553 arrives for 2022. Why do I know this? Concerns my work. U554 Navigator as well. Next generation vehicles will ride on new Ford architecture by 2025. Carmaker1 (talk) 18:44, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

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