Talk:Ford Fiesta

Date Format Again!!!

 * The Ford Fiesta is an American branded car since the Ford Motor Company is an American company. Per MOS:DATETIES, Articles on topics with strong ties to a particular English-speaking country should generally use the date format most commonly used in that nation. This Format would be MDY. The argument being used to keep it as DMY is MOS:DATERET, which says that, If an article has evolved using predominantly one format, the whole article should conform to it, unless there are reasons for changing it based on strong national ties to the topic or consensus on the article's talk page., There is clear reason to change it from the incorrect DMY to the more correct MDY for this article.
 * This has been discussed on other talk pages for other American branded vehicles. The consensus has been to use the MDY format, even if the DMY format had been used previously.-- JOJ Hutton  03:28, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * My bad thought Ford was a british company for some bizarre reason, Moment of madness!, Anyway I've changed it back. – Davey 2010 Talk 03:40, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay. I see where we crossed wires. Good to see we've made amends. Good day my friend. JOJ Hutton  04:10, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Per WP:CARNAMES: "Manufacturer headquarters refers to the entity chiefly responsible for designing and/or producing the subject vehicle, not necessarily the uppermost corporate parent." As such, the Fiesta is either British or German, no matter where Henry Ford's desk stood. The Fiesta is certainly not an American car, at most ever an import from a foreign US subsidiary.  Mr.choppers &#124;   ✎  03:36, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
 * My train of thought has been "American manufacturer > American Dates" regardless of where the vehicle's sold, It makes life easier doing it that way. – Davey 2010 Talk 15:41, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
 * The Fiesta was built by Ford Germany, Ford UK and Ford Spain. So there's no American manufacturer there. What about the Opel/Vauxhall cars? Part of GM but still German/European manufacturers... --Luitold (talk) 10:18, 6 July 2019 (UTC)


 * The Fiesta is a European product, Dearborn or no. DMY as per strong ties.  Mr.choppers &#124;   ✎  16:07, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Ford is the parent company. Many products from different countries are manufactured in other countries due to global politics and economy.-- JOJ Hutton  16:33, 6 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Don't know if this has been addressed but the mark 8 launched in the uk/ Europe in 2017 and is the current and newest model meaning the mark 7 dates listed are completely wrong as it hasnt been in production for a number of years. also another issue is that there was no mark 5 in the uk we moved straight from the four to the mark six
 * The "Mk8" is ONLY used in the UK, NOT globally. 182.30.85.0 (talk) 02:17, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Dates conflict internally
The first section says in 2008 the seventh-generation Fiesta was "introduced worldwide, making it the first Fiesta model to be sold in North America" etc. But the article says the Fiesta VII was introduced in Germany in 2016, and the subhead says 2017, which I guess is the model-year. The date in the lead is clearly wrong, but I don't know how to correct it. If I just change it to 2016 in the lead, there's still the inconsistency of where it was introduced and when. As a casual reader of the article, I'm going to leave it to others to correct.

This article has bizarrely excessive detail. Kirkpete (talk) 16:41, 28 October 2018 (UTC) Kirkpete


 * Quoting from the mk5 section "n November 2005, a revised version of the fifth generation Fiesta was launched for the 2006 model year, also known as the Mk 6 facelift (Mk6.5)"
 * Surely that was the mk5 facelift, or Mk5.5
 * The Mk6 section comes next. It's a different car. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.187.166.85 (talk) 11:35, 8 February 2019 (UTC)


 * The conflict in generation numbers comes from different methods in outher countries. In Germany the MK4 Facelift (Fiesta '99) is the fifth generation as the outside look is so much different from the fourth generation. So Fiesta '02 is the sixth, Fiesta '09 the seventh and Fiesta '18 the eigth model here. From what I know people in the UK usually label the Fiesta '02 as fifth generation and so on.
 * And it's right, the first Fiesta was sold in Northern America and the '09 model was the second Fiesta generation ever sold there. --Luitold (talk) 05:19, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Splitting
Any discussion that this "flag" generated at the time seems to have disappeared into an archive somewhere, but: Regards Charles01 (talk) 11:58, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 * 1. Yes, the entry is getting rather unwieldy, especially with a telephone or in other places where download speeds are slow.   If you're still offering, please do it.   Though given the way that the present arrangement has become a bit unstructured, the task needs to be undertaken with care and should not (please) be rushed.
 * 2. Ditto sixth generation.
 * 3. If the thing has already been discussed to death on this talk page when I wasn't looking, and a conclusion reached to do nothing about it, then the little flags on the entry page are simply getting in the way and should be removed.


 * Support - My general opinion is that the 4th, 5th and 6th Gen should all have their own articles - If there's consensus for this then I'll do it over the New Year, Cheers, – Davey 2010 Merry Christmas / Happy New Year 13:00, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Strong Support – About time someone had the guts to say so. Perfect idea, but I won't be the one doing it. -- Eurovision Nim (talk to me)(see my edits) 15:09, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Support. Can't possibly do any harm.  Mr.choppers &#124;   ✎  17:29, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Support We already did this in the german WP de:Ford Fiesta when the parts for Fiesta 1, 2, 3, 6 (2002-) and 7 (2008-; there might be a difference in model numbers in Germany) got too big. We splitted the whole article and made a new one for every model. Worked very well and looks much better now. --Luitold (talk) 10:07, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Support Pelmeen10 (talk) 20:23, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * what happened? Pelmeen10 (talk) 20:23, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Pelmeen10 Oops I'd forgot all about this. Will do all of these either tomorrow or over the weekend (I've added it to my notes this time! :). – Davey 2010 Talk 20:52, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Mr.choppers - I've split MK4 and MK5 however the MK4 and MK5 makes no mention of it being Front-wheel-drive or subcompact so I've commented those out but as you know a lot more about cars than I do I didn't know if you wanted to take a look, Many thanks, Kind Regards, – Davey 2010 Talk 17:15, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * - Hi Davey, nice work. Yes, there is some maintenance work to be done to make it a proper standalone, but that's no problem. Best,  Mr.choppers &#124;   ✎  18:08, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Mr.choppers, Thanks so much for your help :), Was just about to mention the lead but see you've done that, I appreciate you taking the time to help, Thanks, Kind Regards, – Davey 2010 Talk 18:50, 24 October 2020 (UTC)


 * I have removed the split template from Ford Fiesta as this hasn't been discussed in a very long time. Place a new template to start a new discussion, or simply perform the split as I doubt it would be opposed given the other generations have been split off. A7V2 (talk) 05:40, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

The Torino Motor Show
In the Sixth generation-section, in the Facelift-subsection, it is said that the new facelift-version of Ford Fiesta (the mark 7.5 in UK or 2014 Ford Fiesta in USA) was introduced at Torino Motor Show in June. I am not sure such a motor show exists. Apparently the Turin Auto show is a real thing, but it was not arranged for years 2001-2014, which just the time when facelift Ford Fiesta would have been introduced. The Torino Motor Show also exists, but it is a race-event and probably not an event where you present new cars.

I have found information that says that the facelift deputed in Paris Motor Show in late September of 2012. So is the "Torino Motor Show in June"-reference a mistake?

Infoboxes
I don't think there should be full infoboxes on this page when the same info exists on the generational page, e.g. Ford Fiesta (fifth generation). It adds white space to the condensed sections, and duplicates info so infobox changes have to be made to two different pages. I propose removing all text from the infoboxes (except 7th generation which does not yet have a separate page) except production years and possibly platform and/or body style. Photos can remain. Any objections? --Vossanova o&lt; 15:47, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Seconded. I think body style and platform should be included.  Mr.choppers &#124;   ✎  17:11, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, done. --Vossanova o&lt; 18:02, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Potential copyright issue?
The section on Mark II starting with “A truly "hot" Fiesta was never produced…” is exactly the same as found on https://classiccars.fandom.com/wiki/Ford_Fiesta. I don’t know if there is cross-licensing or which site is the original. Just pointing this out since I was searching for some info on the subject and had a déja vu moment. Equals42 (talk) 01:22, 4 July 2022 (UTC)


 * it's compatible, as is the rest of Fandom, but it can't be used as a source. PRAXIDICAE🌈 01:23, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, our article pre-dates fandom by several years and it appears they copied from us. PRAXIDICAE🌈 01:25, 4 July 2022 (UTC)