Talk:Frank Sinatra discography

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Following the inclusion of a Gwen Stefani song Cool as todays featured article, which Frank album do people feel should be nominated for featured article status?Gareth E Kegg 00:29, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

I would say none of them have enough information in them to be considered yet. That song entry has an AMAZING amount of information in it, much more than any Frank ALBUM article. I think we all have some work to do before any can be considered. Williamnilly 04:26, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

His Finest Collection
I have a Sinatra 2 disc CD called Frank Sinatra His Finest Collection. Is it mentioned here?


 * It sounds like a compilation album, and as such is not listed in the discography, or the list would be endless! The songs from your album were released before on other albums :) Gareth E Kegg 14:26, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Can someone please add release dates to all these singles and albums listed? 21 January 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.12.87.94 (talk) 20:49, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Discography
Why not title the article 'Frank Sinatra discography', instead of the overly long 'Chronological list of singles and albums recorded by Frank Sinatra'? To me, it seems like the two names mean the same thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KearF (talk • contribs) 13:17, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Requested move
I believe the article should be moved to Frank Sinatra discography based on overwhelming precedence and widely-accepted naming conventions. Discographies are chronological by nature, so having such a long title is unnecessary. Drewcifer (talk) 09:56, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Fine with me. Powers T 11:49, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Problem: What are the criteria for inclusion?
Discographies of artists like, say, Gwen Stefani are easy because a) they haven't been around very long, and b) pop stars record far, far less material today than they did fifty years ago. Frank Sinatra's full discography is, without the slightest bit of hyperbole, HUGE, and fills an entire book that is 640 pages long. Even abbreviated discographies, like the one in Friedwald's ''Sinatra! The Song is You'' runs to nearly a hundred pages if I remember correctly. Realistically speaking, I think we need to stake out some criteria for what does, and does not, merit inclusion in this article. Ford MF (talk) 22:22, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I reiterate my concerns, particularly in light of the recent edit-and-revert that just happened. Exactly what are the criteria for inclusion in this discography?  Does it cover any legitimate Sinatra release anywhere, at any time?  Including rarities and greatest-hits compilations?  What about notable bootlegs?  Because that way lies madness.  The criteria in use tacitly seem to be "legitimate releases in the English speaking world including compilations", which, frankly warrants tagging the article with a  template.  Ford MF (talk) 17:46, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, the list as it is now (the longer one) is a completely reasonable length, and a very helpful resource. At the very least, if we were to shorten it there would need to be some established guidelines. I would propose that the compiliation in question would have to meet one of these 2 requirements: 1) it appeared on the US or UK album charts or 2) it is still currently in print. VillageGreen1215 (talk) 18:53, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

EPs
Has anyone attempted to compile a list of EP issues? (Shortmatters (talk) 13:13, 4 February 2009 (UTC))

RE: "It's Funny To Everyone But Me"
What is the difference between the 1939 Jack Lawrence song "It's Funny To Everyone But Me" and the 1934 Franklin and Jones version?

I have a Sinatra CD and the composer info was messed up, so I wanted to add it, and all I have is the lyrics, see: "It's Funny To Everyone But Me" at Jumbo Jimbo's. But, I need someone who knows the difference to confirm if it is correct.

Okay, hope somebody knows.

> Best O Fortuna (talk) 01:28, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


 * It looks like the lyrics are different, very similar, but different. I would like to hear the melody. "People are laughing, I hear them laughing, I'm just the biggest joke in town. Oh, how you fooled me."


 * > Best O Fortuna (talk) 20:58, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Also, just above it says "Where a song is listed as (by X), or (instrumental), Sinatra does not feature", and that single says "It's Funny to Everyone but Me" (21) (by Jack Lawrence) / "Vol Visto Gailey Star" (by Jack Palmer)", so something's wrong or misleading - the first sentence suggests that a single listed as (by Jack Lawrence) on one side and (by Jack Palmer) on the other wouldn't feature Sinatra at all, and presumably it does or it wouldn't appear here. Scatterkeir (talk) 15:05, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Glaring errors for singles' chart positions
The singles listing in many cases shows the peak chart position of the song in parenthesis. As a "chart freak", I was surprised at how many of these are incorrect. My source is Joel Whitburn's Billboard chart research. Some examples:

"Same Old Saturday Night" (65) correct position: 13

"(Love Is) The Tender Trap" (23) correct position: 7

"Flowers Mean Forgiveness" (35) correct position: 21

"(How Little It Matters) How Little We Know" (30) correct position: 13

"Can I Steal A Little Love?" (20) correct position: 15

"All the Way" (15) correct position: 2

"Witchcraft" (20) correct position: 6

For other songs their chart positions aren't listed. Example: "Melody of Love". This song peaked at number 19. Considering that Sinarta sang on 60+ top tens, not listing the positions on one or two is not that big a deal. But if they are going to be listed, I think that whomever posts the information has an obligation to get it right. And the editors have an obligation to fact check the numbers.

If no one objects, I will edit these errors some time this upcoming weekend (July 9-10). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.7.223.111 (talk) 18:35, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Separate articles/clean up style of singles discography
Last thing first: the singles discography section should be cleaned up to acceptable standards, in a table. The article has a tendency to get confusing in this section.

And maybe a way to clean it up, given Sinatra's rich recording history, would be to split this article into the format of "Singles discography" and "Album discography" with all that entails. Mind you, I'm not a master Wikipedia editor, just someone who came into this specific article looking for information. If I had the skills to handle tables to fix the singles section, and do so correctly, I'd attempt it. But seeing how Sinatra's recorded history is so deep, I'd at least recommend cleaning up the singles category, and perhaps splitting his recordings history into 2 pages as has been done for similar artists of other genres. 160.3.158.156 (talk) 09:14, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

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"Billboard" chart placements
As the Billboard Hot 100 was only created in 1958, by definition no chart placings prior to that can be Billboard Hot 100 hits. It would be good to correct the multiple 1940s/early 1950s "Billboard" hits with the correct chart name (and ideally a source for placings). 86.11.220.58 (talk) 20:59, 6 June 2022 (UTC)