Talk:Frankfurt/Archive 1

Talk from Frankfurt am Main
Um...Charlemagne wasn't crowned Emperor until 800, so I don't think the assembly was imperial. I'm pretty sure it was just a synod, but will have to look it up in the ARF and the AF. Should also be changed (when I have time, unless someone beats me to it) to reflect that Frankfurt was much more important for Louis the Pious than Charlemagne. Louis also built a major church (cathedral?) there. JHK


 * It was a synod. --MichaelTinkler

Infobox
I think an infobox would do the article well or at the very least a map showing Frankfurt's location. The articles for Berlin, Bonn, Augsburg, Kiel, Lübeck, Stuttgart, Rostock, Potsdam, Wiesbaden, Düsseldorf, Oldenburg and probably some more all have such an infobox. The articles for Hamburg, Munich, Cologne, Koblenz, Aachen, Dresden, Hanover, Leipzig, Mainz, Dortmund, Bremen, Nuremberg and many more all have at least a map showing where these cities are. Francfort-sur-le-Main, Frankfurt am Main, Frankfurt nad Menem, for example, have an infobox for their article on Frankfurt. NightBeAsT 13:59, 10 August 2005 (UTC)


 * We should transfer over and translate the one used on DE Wikipedia... That seems to be the standard for German cities. Tfine80 17:38, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Since the EU is a economic union and not a national entity like the US,i think comparing the two is flawed logic. Now if NAFTA,the North American economic union was used as a comparison,you would find that North Americas' economy is much larger than the EUs'.

A personal comment
I used to visit Frankfurt occasionally to meet my ex-girlfriend. She warned me in advance that Frankfurt would be in her words "ugly, dull, boring, dreary, miserable, did I say ugly? Really really ugly". (I wrote the words down to quote them back to her.) She was of course exaggurating. Frankfurt was far uglier than she had led me to believe, so boring even the duck in the river I saw was asleep (maybe it had died of boredom!). The modern buildings were grotesque. The historic buildings were tacky rebuilds. The place was grey, grey, grey. The niteclubs were zzzzzz. One local joked to me: "We are so boring we have a cathedral but no bishop. Who would want to a bishop to this place?" It was without doubt the goddamn ugliest place I have ever been in. Merely thinking of it sends a shiver down my spine. What an utterly dreary dump!!! (Sorry all fans of Frankfurt of there (if there are any? I don't think it is interesting enough to have any) if I offended you. But I couldn't let this page pass without a chance to say the one word that comes to mind when I think of Frankfurt. "Yuch!". Or the phrase: "When's the next plane out of here?" FearÉIREANN\(caint) 05:20, 4 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Granted, the skyscrapers are not the most aesthetically pleasant of that type which exist (although they are probably engineered exceptionally well). And, yes, most of the old section was destroyed in the war. The city is a bit unique for having these huge skyscrapers that stand alone alongside large open spaces, but that's probably not enough to sell the city to some people. And, yes, the city is rather serious in demeanor with its financial significance (which can also sometimes bring a sort of internationalized and cultureless decadence). HOWEVER, there is still a bit of the feel of the Frankfurt of old and the hometown of Goethe; you just have to search for it. Maybe you will be able to find it someday in an old corner of Frankfurt while having a nice meal of Rippchen and Apfelwein. Tfine80 06:16, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

There is an interesting site about Frankfurt before and after the war (http://www.altfrankfurt.com) which might explain why the city today is an ugly place. After the war there were no will and no means to reconstruct the rich architectural heritage. Unfortunately, this is true for virtually all German cities.

Did u visit those German citys? Frankfurt is not a boring and ugly place. I lived there for 8 years. The city is unique and special. The skyscrapers are very nice, modern and futuristic. The city is SOOO not boring. Allmost all nationalities of the world live there. 30% of the city dont have a German citizenship. I would say that more than half of the city's population have 2 citizenships. Its called Mainhattan for a reason. You just have to know it better.

Only think about one sentence: Frankfurt is originally not such a big party place like Köln, Hamburg, Munich or Berlin for example, and if you are there you will see the financial center in the foreground. Perhaps Manhattans Financial District at N.Y.C. isn't the best place to have fun like a tourist...

Hey
I didn't know if anyone caught the fact that this page has been vandalized. I'd fix it myself, but I don't have an account and I've never posted anything on wikipedia so I don't know how. I was starting to read the article, and I glanced at the contents navigation and saw "al gore is gay" is a subsection. Just thought you guys would want to fix that. Thanks, Rob. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.210.160.20 (talk) 20:25, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Tfine80's edits
Tfine80, I am not interested in the skyscrapers. My concern is the results from the University of Liverpool which shows that Frankfurt is the richest city in Europe by gross domestic product per capita. That it is "Frankfurt's financial industry [which] gives it the highest GDP per capita" is unsubstantiated and needs sources. Until these are provided we should stick to the results from the University of Liverpool and simply state that it is the richest city by GDP per capita. --John 21:12, 3 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I don't have a problem with listing that statistic at all. I think it is a fine addition. My only problem is the phrase "richest city", which has no precise economic meaning and can be misleading. Rich often has social connotations and often means acculminated wealth. I would think of some exclusive suburb or some resort town -- or maybe the days when venice was all-powerful. For example, google lists about only 13,000 hits to "richest city". (and if you note the use it is often very imprecise) Why not just state the statistic and let the reader decide if that makes it the richest city by any measure. Tfine80 22:52, 3 August 2005 (UTC)


 * And I see your point about the financial industry. Having lived there I thought it was self-evident. I think one of the reason its GDP per capita is so high is because of the strength of its finance industry in a city of about 600,000. So let's just say something like: "Frankfurt's key role in finance and other industries gives it the number one GDP per capita of major cities in Europe." [CITE] I think it would be best to include the overall city GDP rank as well, just to put it in perspective - What do you think? Sorry about the reverting but the edits came across to me as a bit chauvanist at first. Best, Tfine80 23:12, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

The anonymous user (aka John) should provide the link to the study by the University of Liverpool. According to official statistics by Eurostat, the region of Frankfurt is absolutely not the region with the highest GDP per capita in Europe. Places like Luxembourg, Brussels, Greater London, or Paris metropolitan area have a higher GDP per capita than the region of Frankfurt. You can check Economy of the European Union. The GDP per capita of Hesse as a whole is only #10 of the NUTS-1 regions in the EU, while the GDP per capita of Regierungsbezirk Darmstadt (the region of Frankfurt) is not even in the top 10 of the NUTS-2 regions. Hardouin 10:34, 4 August 2005 (UTC)


 * This is not about Hesse but about the city of Frankfurt in case you didn't notice. The link is already provided. In 2001 Frankfurt had a GDP per capita of 74,465 €, while Paris had 67,200 €, Brussels 51,106 € and London 35,072 €. --John 11:30, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

A city GDP means absolutely nothing in itself. What is meaningful is the metropolitan area GDP. A city is just an administrative territory with limits fixed arbitrarily. Small cities like Frankfurt have automatically high GDPs because commuters are not counted inside city limits, whereas in countries that have large cities like Rome or London, most commuters live inside city limits, which automatically deflates the GDP. But this is just artificial. Again what's really meaningful is the GDP of a whole metropolitan area. The Regierungsbezirk Darmstadt matches quite well the metropolitan area of Frankfurt, and it is not in the top 10 of the highest GDPs in the EU. The claim that Frankfurt has the highest GDP per capita in Europe is therefore unfounded. Hardouin 18:05, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I would tend to agree that the metropolitan area is the important one, or perhaps just the urban area. For instance, the City of London, tiny as it is (the most of what people think of as London is actually part of Westminster - the City of London not the same as the city of London), has a huge per-capita GDP.  This is because of a combination of fewer than 10,000 people living there and the high concentration of banks and other commercial powerhouses based there. And as its working population swells to over 300,000, this a pretty meaningless measure.  Matthew 08:28, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

SimCity parodies
I think someone should add something about how several buildings in Frankfurt have been parodied in SimCity 3000 and 4. Just for example, many of the buildings are very comparable to the buildings in SimCity 3000, and the Commerzbank tower is REALLY comparable to the 'Hurt Enterprise' building in SimCity 4. --4.227.102.227 03:14, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * As a "trivia" piece, this shouldn't go in the main article. It could be added to a sub-article on buildings in Frankfurt, perhaps.
 * Hey don't forget the other spire which in simcity is named Hogan and Wallace White Insurance.

List of famous people born in Frankfurt
This list, described as a stub, might be appropriate for a sub-article on this subject, but a huge alphabetical list on this is completely inappropriate for an article of this prominence. There is so much to say about a city like Frankfurt, every section has to be very concise. Other major cities like London and Paris don't even have a section on this, it would simply be far too long. Can someone working on this page perhaps spin off this section into a sub-article, with a link from the culture section? Thanks, Walkerma 17:49, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Name
There is currently a discussion at Talk:Freiburg concerning the question of whether the article should be moved to Freiburg im Breisgau. Similarly Frankfurt would also be moved to Frankfurt am Main. Please take part in this discussion if the quesion concerns you.--Carabinieri 12:04, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Revert war over picture in info box
Would you guys not rather talk about it here? Lars T. 21:20, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Location
It seems to me that this article should be at Frankfurt, since it is by far the most famous Frankfurt. Currently, Frankfurt is a redirect to Frankfurt (disambiguation). john k 23:05, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * I agree. I think Franfurt should lead to this page, and a link to the disambiguation page should appear at the top. If not, at least the disambiguation page should somehow make it more clear which Frankfurt is the one commonly known among English speakers (I had to click both links because I couldn't figure out which page led the article I was looking for). Rc251 23:07, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, there are two Frankfurts in Germany: Frankfurt am Main; and Frankfurt An Der Oder. The former is on the Main River, while the latter is on the Oder River. The former was in West Germany, while the latter was in East Germany. For that reason, there need to be two articles, using the full names. -SSG Cornelius Seon (Retired) 02:47, 25 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Wp:disambiguation: "Ask yourself: When a reader enters this term in the Wikipedia search box and pushes "Go", what article would they most likely be expecting to view as a result? (For example, when someone looks up Joker, would they expect to find information on a comedian? On a card? On Batman's nemesis? On the hit song or album by The Steve Miller Band?) When there is no risk of confusion, do not disambiguate or add a link to a disambiguation page." Most people expect to find information about the city named Frankfurt here. Lars T. 06:44, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Offensive words
The second paragraph starts off as, "Situated on the river Main,**** ****". I am not even going to write the offensive words that are there. This is my first time signing on to Wikipedia and I am not sure what I need to do to have this taken off the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brokn (talk • contribs) 18:04, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Pronunciation
Is there some reason the pronunciation given is the German pronunciation? This is the English wikipedia after all. Perhaps it should follow the example of Paris and give both? Stevage 19:24, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Since when is it said with [ε] in American English?? Xipirho (talk) 18:46, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Climate in Frankfurt
I think there should be a section on the climate in Frankfurt.

Numbers are available from Weatherbase (http://www.weatherbase.com/weather/weather.php3?s=73601&refer=&units=metric), but I have only been in the city a few times and felt someone who actually lives there should describe it.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kosyoboy (talk • contribs) 09:19, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Bombing
"The Military Governor for the United States Zone (1945-1949) and the United States High Commissioner for Germany (HICOG) (1949-1952) had their headquarters in the IG Farben Building, intentionally left undamaged by the Allies' wartime bombardment."

This statement has to be tosh because aerial bombardment simply wasn't that accurate. There are many similar myths in Britain about buildings that were deliberately left unbombed because the Nazis wanted to use them after a successful invasion —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.143.163.137 (talk) 05:59, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Frankfurt WikiProject
I'll see what I can do to restart this. WhisperToMe (talk) 00:46, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Article issues
I don't want to tag this, but I think there are several issues in this version: I hope, anybody can improve this article. Thank you and happy editing Sebastian scha. (talk) 13:30, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * the name should be the name used for English person, and IMHO it's Frankfurt not Frankfurt am Main although FaM is the proper name (but the redirect Frankfurt to FaM is okay).
 * the table of content is much to long, maybe the Main sights, Economy and business, Transport and Education can be put into prose?
 * there are only 8 inline citations (Berlin: 106, Los Angeles: 71)
 * there is no information on the government of Frankfurt
 * there is no climate information, but with the airport this must be easy to find.
 * the section Sport is like many other sections only a list, it should be prose.
 * commons is the place for galleries not the wikipedia article.
 * and there is an intro and a section overview? this should be merged.

I revised the paragraph on the University of Music in Frankfurt for several reasons. 1. The name was incorrect and 2. the article seemed to imply that the Hoch Conservatory doesn't exist anymore.--Ebrownless (talk) 12:37, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Can someone please clean up the mess with the edits. They are often in wrong place. Does anyone know why and what does one do to correct this? --Ebrownless (talk) 09:23, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The problem are the long lists of left-flushed images. See my edit for "Culture". Lars T. (talk) 14:43, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

the city is located on the anicent in the river main —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.228.123 (talk) 13:12, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Football teams
Why Frankfurter FC Germania 1894 has to be listed? Eintracht and FSV must be listed but even in Frankfurt Germania are unknown despite their historic role in German football. But for a rough overview of notable sports teams they are not worth to be mentioned. -Lemmy- (talk) 21:48, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Strange layout
Maybe wants to take a look at several other city articles ? Many subsection seem to be to specific. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.53.4.235 (talk) 13:56, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Demographics is missing
This is a standard section in city articles, why not here ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.53.4.235 (talk) 13:56, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

City Classification
Only country capitals are classified "top". Wallie (talk) 17:37, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Inconsistency in the population data between article and wikicode?
Today (2010/06/14) in the article infobox the values for the population are 667,330 (30 June 2009). But in the wikicode the relevant lines show |Einwohner = 651899 |Stand = 2008-03-31, how could this be? If I edit these lines there are no changes in the population statistics, but if i edit the ruling party for example, there are changes in the article. Are there external resources where the data come from? Or are there any rendering problems? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.45.137.72 (talk) 15:02, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Sorry: confusion solved. Template:Population_Germany (better read before posting) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PK2K (talk • contribs) 15:53, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Capital city

 * "Frankfurt is the German capital that never was."

Is this the reason why the largest and the most important German airport is located in the vicinity of this city and not in Bonn or Berlin for that matter? Meursault2004 09:35, 4 May 2005 (UTC)


 * No, the reason is that Frankfurt is both very central in Germany and Europe. It is also home of the largest US Air Force bases in Germany and has been a key location for the Americans in many post-war situations (for example the Berlin airlift).


 * Actually it nearly got the capital of the Federal Republic of Germany in '49. There even had been built a parliaments-building in Bertramstrasse, Frankfurt for it was quite sure Frankfurt would win the election of Germanys new capital. On May 10, 1949 with only 33 to 29 voices of members of the parliament at that time, Bonn won the election over Frankfurt and then became the capital. The building now is the HQ of a local radio and tv-station, called Hessischer Rundfunk (HR). -- fake.kevin 23:01, 25 August 2005 (UTC)


 * No, actually, it's because that's where the Frankfurt Assembly gathered during the Revolution of 1848.Zweifel 22:55, 10 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Frankfurt am Main has been a capital of Germany for several times. Last time it was the capital of the Deutscher Bund (German Union) from 1815 to 1866. In the middle ages, when there was not such thing as a place called capital, it was the place for election of the Kaiser and it held the reference copy of the Constitution of the Holy Roman Empire. From 1564–1792 Frankfurt was also the place where the Kaiser was crowned. It has always been a Kaiserpfalz, i.e. place where the current Emperor had an imperial palace. As the German Emperors where quite mobile, there where several such places the oldest and at Charlemagne's time most important of which was Aachen. After WW II, Frankfurt was from 1947-1948 domicile of the "Wirtschaftsrat der Bizone" (Economic Council of the American and British occupied zones in Germany) which was a forerunner of the following German Government. All the base work for the new legislation of Western Germany was done there, laws of that time are still valid today. The buildings of the coming German Government where already built in Frankfurt (and still exist today, the rotunda intended for the Bundestag is under monument protection, the other buildings today used by the Hessischer Rundfunk - Hessian Broadcasting Company) when Konrad Adenauer, the first elected chancellor of Western Germany, decided to move to Bonn as the decidedly provisional capital because he feared that making Frankfurt the capital of Western Germany would become irrevocable even after a hoped and expected reunification with the parts of Germany occupied by the Soviet Union. --193.30.140.138 (talk) 08:31, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

am Main & an der Oder
In the US, "Frankfurt" refers to a single city most commonly. Is this true elsewhere? (i.e., should one of these cities have an article here with the less famous one at a disambig block) Does anybody know which one is what Americans call "Frankfurt"? (Specifically, I want to fill in the link at Timeline of trends in music (1951-present).) Tokerboy
 * I know of two Frankfurts in Germany. The larger and more prominent one (Frankfurt a.M. = Frankfurt am Main (Main is a river)) is the financial centre of Germany. The other (Frankfurt a.d.O. = Frankfurt an der Oder (Oder = a river)), is much smaller and located on the border to Poland. So when someone talks of just Frankfurt - it is most likely going to be the former. I would leave this article as it is and just refer to the specific city when necessary. snoyes 23:04 Feb 14, 2003 (UTC)
 * Is it more likely enough to make this not a disambiguation page? An awful lot of pages link here, and if they're mostly meaning Frankfurt am Main, this shouldn't be a disambig page -- it should have a disambig block. Tokerboy


 * I'm relatively new here, so am not entirely sure. I'll give you the population (and with the info stated above) you make the decision: F.a.M.: 650 thousand; F.a.d.O.: 70 thousand. snoyes 23:22 Feb 14, 2003 (UTC)


 * I think that's enough -- if someone who knows more about it disagrees, they can always switch it back. I'll go make the move. Tokerboy


 * There is an important difference between the function of "am Main" and "an der Oder". While most such add-ons are to distinguish otherwise same-named cities and are only created for this purpose, but not an initial part of the name, this is not true for Frankfurt am Main, where "am Main" is an integral part of the name itself. So, the name of "Rothenburg ob der Tauber" is Rothenburg and "ob der Tauber" distinguishes it from several other Rot(h)enburgs. "Neustadt an der Saale" distinguishes this town from "Neustadt an der Weinstraße" and 30 other Neustadts in Germany. The name of "Frankfurt an der Oder" is Frankfurt and "an der Oder" only to differentiate. But there is no Frankfurt with an add-on "am Main", as the full name is "Frankfurt am Main" from beginning of its documented history. At that time, the "other" Frankfurt ("an der Oder") did even not exist. For this reason, the article's only correct name would be Frankfurt am Main. --193.30.140.138 (talk) 08:55, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Please move to Frankfurt am Main
It makes me a little bit sad to see that the article Frankfurt refers to Frankfurt am Main and that it isn't a disambig page. The German Wikipedia came to a compromise, look Frankfurt. Frankfurt am Main is more popular than Frankfurt (Oder), but Frankfurt am Main is also the official name of this city, so please move it. --Grandy02 12:19, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm just passing through, but it seems to me that Frankfurt is by far the most common name for this city in English. The same is often true the other way round - how many Germans would think to look first for the city of Los Angeles under Los Angeles, California?  The intro also prominently displays a disambig, and an explanation in the introductory paragraph.


 * The comparison above with Los Angeles, California is not the same. Frankfurt am Main is the full name, Frankfurt is just an abbreviation which is only used when it won't be ambiguous. The equivalent to Los Angeles, California would be Frankfurt am Main, Hessen; which is something no German would say as it is too much of a mouthfull and unnecessary. Because Frankfurt (Oder) was "in the east" it previously got a lot less coverage in english-language media, this is not now the case.
 * I vote move this article to Frankfurt am Main. If German Wikipedia thinks Frankfurt should be a disambiguation (Frankfurt), English-language Wikipedia should follow. TiffaF 08:14, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think we have to follow the German Wikipedia here. Frankfurt (Oder) is far less significant internationally than it is in Germany (where it is also not very significant). Kusma (討論) 10:26, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I also vote for moving this page. To compare it with Los Angeles, it's like the article about LA is at LA. The full names are "Frankfurt am Main" and "Frankfurt (Oder)". Of course Frankfurt am Main is more popular because it's bigger, but Frankfurt (Oder) also has more than 60.000 inhabitants (so Frankfurt am Main is only 10 times bigger), is it's own urban district (doesn't belong to any county) and even has a university, where for example the Humboldt brothers studied. --APPER 01:22, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I vote for not moving this page, because noone knows the smaller town Frankfurt/Oder international.The most people are talking about Frankfurt am Main (bc. of the airport and soon) if they say Frankfurt. So we dont need a change. If there is really a person who is searching for the smaller town Frankfurt/Oder, he can find the text with a few clicks. Thats really not the problem. Frankfurterz (talk) 23:01, 22 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Note that "am Main" is not an add-on to distinguish it from "Frankfurt an der Oder" where "an der Oder" is such an add-on. The original full name is "Frankfurt am Main" from the earliest documents and there was no Frankfurt an der Oder at that time. This is different from most places. Therefore, Frankfurt am Main is the only correct name and Frankfurt a mere abbreviation for this city whereas the simple Frankfurt is the correct name of Frankfurt (a.d.O.) or Frankfurt (Oder) or Frankfurt an der Oder or Frankfurt (O). --193.30.140.138 (talk) 09:16, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

US Army Base in Frankfurt am Main
I'm an American born in Frankfurt; my father was a US Army MSG stationed in Germany during the Cold War when he met my mother. I didnt stay long, we left around 1990 when I was 2, so i dunno much. Can you guys include a section on the US Army base in Frankfurt, i dunno what it is. I heard that American comedian Martin Lawrence was also born under similar conditions on the Frankfurt Base too. Thanks alot, Xlegiofalco 04:18, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi take a look at this article: Rhein-Main_Air_Base bye --143.93.98.26 15:06, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Rhein-Main is nice, but that is a former US Air Force base in the area, now turned over completely to the Luftwaffe and vacated by the Americans. On the other hand, Frankfurt am Main was the former headquarters city of the US Army in Germany. What is left of that organization (not very much), now has its HQ somewhere out in the country in Germany.74.249.77.168 (talk) 03:50, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

I was born in Frankfurt am Main in 1954. My father was a US Army MP and my mother was a WAVE. I know I was born in thr general army hospital but cannot find anything about it anywhere. Any help?02:44, 2 May 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Readered54 (talk • contribs)


 * The headquarters' main building of the US Army was the former IG Farben-building and is now used by the Johann-Wolfgang-Goethe-Universität of Frankfurt. It's located in an urban, central area of Frankfurt close to Grüneburgpark in the urban quarter Westend. The general army hospital was afaik situated in the northern area of Frankfurt between the quarters named Nordend and Preungesheim. I don't know whether it still exists as a hospital, but I know that the US consulate moved to this site some years ago. --193.30.140.138 (talk) 09:28, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Franconia
Was Frankfurt part of Franken in the beginning...e.g. a Frankish fortress? Also, do Frankfurt and Franconia have most receptiveness to French culture of all Germany? Les Invisibles 07:09, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * See History of Frankfurt am Main Lars T. 12:09, 14 February 2007 (UTC)


 * To give an extensive answer to these questions here: the name Franken refers to different entities. First, the Franconian Empire of Charlemagne was an Empire containing the areas of todays France, western parts of Germany (including Frankfurt), Northern parts of Italy, Switzerland, Belgium, and the Netherlands. Second, after the breakup into mainly a romanic and germanic part, the latter one was divided in duchies (Herzogtümer) the largest of which was the Herzogtum Franken. This was the region where Franconian tribes have mostly settled during the time around 600. Frankfurt was the largest, most important and centrally situated city of this duchy, but soon became by the grace of the Emperor a Free Empire City (freie Reichsstadt), i.e. a political separate own entity. The Duchy of Franconia later broke up in many smaller territories, the most important of which where the Kurfürstentümer Trier and Mainz. Another one in the East was the Fürstbistum Würzburg which was the legal inheritor of the Duchy of Franconia and consisted of about 20% of the area of the former medieval Herzogtum, mainly in the Eastern parts of it. In Napoleon's time, this legal entity ended and its territory was distributed to Napoleon's allies Baden, Württemberg and Bavaria. Franconia as a political entity had ended, it became the name for an area and some dialects. The expression altfränkisch (old Franconian) came up with the meaning of "outdated, out of fashion, antiquated". During the 19th and 20th century the name Franken was reestablished for the former Franconian territories which Bavaria, Baden and Württemberg had received by decision of Napoleon 1803-1812. Today, Franconia refers to three Northern Bavarian districts and the northern region of Baden-Württemberg ("Region Heilbronn-Franken"). Most Germans think of Northern Bavaria only if they hear the name Franken today. The name Franken even applies now for several areas and cities which have never been part of the historical Herzogtum. Today, most people are not aware that Frankfurt am Main has or had any relations to Franken. However, the city was not only the geographic center of the Duchy of Franconia, but shares also the heraldic colors and the flag with it. Frankfurt was not a Frankish fortress, but a place with an imperial palace (Kaiserpfalz). As far as I can say, Frankfurt and Franconia do not have any special receptiveness to French culture, but many French religious refugees during the 16th until 18th centuries went especially often to the Frankfurt area and even founded new cities there, e.g. Neu Isenburg. There are still today many Hugenot churches and parishes in and around Frankfurt. However, what one can say is that French influence was generally stronger in the south-western parts of Germany (Saarland, Baden, Hessen) than elsewhere. --193.30.140.138 (talk) 10:09, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * 193.30.140.138, your essay is only partly right. Franken has nothing to do with France, Frankfurt was never the capital of any douchy, .... . If I find the time, I'll give a more thoroughly answer. In the meantime, please consider to read the articles Franks, Franconia and some about German history from 800 to 1000 A.D. . Greetings --Kgfleischmann (talk) 21:15, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I did not write anywhere that Frankfurt has been the capital of any douchy. And Franconia/Franken has to do with France, in fact, the word France actually means Franconia. It seems to me that all what I wrote is correct. --193.30.140.138 (talk) 16:04, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Please, stop and read a bit German history and posibly also your own text:"However, the city was not only the geographic center of the Duchy of Franconia, but shares also the heraldic colors and the flag with it.". RTFM and EOD --Kgfleischmann (talk) 19:03, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, the IP did not claim that Frankfurt was the capital of the duchy (not at all the same thing as a geographic centre). Overall, what the IP wrote is entirely reasonable and agrees with all I know. Apart from the interesting historical account I can also confirm the last two sentences about affinity of various German regions to France. Hans Adler 16:04, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Move. Jafeluv (talk) 10:42, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Frankfurt am Main → — The customary English name for this city is simple Frankfurt. There is a case for making Frankfurt the dab page, none for having it be a redirect. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 15:50, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Support as nom. To quote the article Among English speakers, the city is commonly known simply as "Frankfurt", though Germans occasionally call it by its full name when it is necessary to distinguish it from the other (significantly smaller) "Frankfurt" in the state of Brandenburg, Frankfurt (Oder). Septentrionalis PMAnderson 15:51, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:USEENGLISH. -- Ja Ga  talk 16:22, 1 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose because Frankfurt (disambiguation) reveals that even when the intended city is Frankfurt am Main, the intended article depends on the time period. I support moving Frankfurt (disambiguation) to Frankfurt.  64.105.65.28 (talk) 03:46, 2 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Support. In common English, it's just Frankfurt. The East German city is not only smaller, but relatively obscure owing to its period behind the Iron Curtain. Andrewa (talk) 13:17, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Comment: And have a look at above for another perspective on this. Andrewa (talk) 02:47, 3 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Support, as "Frankfurt" appears to be the common English name for the city and the city on the Main is the primary topic for the term "Frankfurt". The IP's comment is false; although the political entity covering this city has changed over the years, the Frankfurt am Main article rightly covers the entire history. I don't find the support per WP:USEENGLISH particularly compelling, since "Frankfurt am Main" is in fact used by reliable English-language sources, including Encyclopedia Britannica. Ucucha 10:50, 4 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Support, "Franfurt" is the common English (as well as German) name for the city. "Frankfurt am Main" is the formal name in German, but is commonly referred to as Frankfurt, unless for some reason the context is unclear or more formality is needed. older ≠ wiser 06:12, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
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It is called Hessen, somtetime ther is a incorrect spelling of the word an th N at the end is missing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.96.227.91 (talk) 14:49, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

The Name in English is.....
Francfort and not Frankfort. The English allways use the french Exonyms for foreign Towns (with some exceptions). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.60.105.106 (talk) 20:16, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * There are a lot of cities called Frankfort in the US as well as Canada ... .--Kgfleischmann (talk) 05:58, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Skyscrapers

 * The Frankfurt Stock Exchange is Germany's largest, the site 85% of Germany's turnover in stocks

Where is this 85% figure from? -- JeLuF 21:02, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)

In Germany, only Frankfurt and Düsseldorf have high-rise skyscapers.

Are you sure about that? What about cologne? Isn't the "Köln Turm" a high-rise skyscraper as well?
 * That's nonsense! Nearly every bigger city in Germany has got an high-rise skyscraper! And you bet there are some. Think of the television-tower (Fernsehturm) of Berlin, Stuttgart, Munich etc. IN FACT do think twice everytime you're writing on a subject you don't know really much about! Sincerely -- fake.kevin 22:40, 25 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Some cities in germany have one (or two...) high-rise buildings above 300 ft (100 m). But the most and highest of them are in Frankfurt, the skyline is unique in Germany. Take a look at the list of the highest buildings in germany: - You are right, you can find tv-towers on every field in germany, but they cannot be considered as skyscrapers.


 * What really strikes me about this place is that the skyline is quite artificial: Unlike e.g. downtown New York or Singapore where houses are built tall due to high real estate prices, in Frankfurt this seems not to be the case as you have normal 2- story houses between the skyscrapers! When approaching Frankfurt by train, 10 minutes from the center you are still in the middle of a forest, wondering if you took the right train. Seems that the highrise buildings are there only as status symbols, one bank trying to out-build the competing banks' buildings in the area. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tikru8 (talk • contribs) 05:37, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Population by districts
The article contains a table of all the administrative districts in Frankfurt, showing their area in square kilometers, population, number of foreign nationals, and foreign nationals as a percentage of population. It was included by Gizmo23 at 17:05 on 26 September 2011, and is now out of date. The source of the information is the annual statistical handbook of the City of Frankfurt, which gives a lot of other information, such as age and religion profiles of the people of Frankfurt. I don't think it is obvious why the Wikipedia article on a cosmopolitain city needs such a detailed focus on the number of foreigners in each district.

Be that as it may, there are a couple of issues: (a) The table may be better located in the Demographics section; and (b) the decimal and thousand separators should be English, not continental European (that is, the table should have decimal points rather than decimal commas, and thousand commas rather than thousand points). If it is appropriate to retain the table, does anyone know an easy way to correct it?

(It is useful to have a linked list of the districts, which all seem to have their own articles.)

Frans Fowler (talk) 15:19, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Requested move 2012

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The result of the proposal was not moved A poster child for application of the primary topic and common names policies.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:25, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Frankfurt → Frankfurt am Main – 1.) Frankfurt am Main is the official name. 2.) The name in full has been known since the 14th century 3.) "Frankfurt" is ambiguous as there are two German cities called Frankfurt: Frankfurt am Main and Frankfurt (Oder). 4.) 75 Wikipedia articles in the latin alphabet use "Frankfurt am Main" (including, of course, German Wiki), compared to 30 which use "Frankfurt". 5.) Encyclopædia Britannica and Columbia Encyclopedia use "Frankfurt am Main". 6.) While in this article it is made clear by the first sentence that it is an article about Frankfurt am Main, ALL OTHER articles about Frankfurt am Main lack this information, e.g. in MyZeil it says "MyZeil is a shopping mall in the city center of Frankfurt" or in Bundesautobahn 5 it says "between Frankfurt and Darmstadt". These are inaccurate information. A lot of articles already use "Frankfurt am Main" instead for clarification. 7.) The only reason for keeping "Frankfurt" as the article's name is the assumption that almost everyone would guess that "Frankfurt" is Frankfurt am Main. This is, at first, questionable and without proof. I don't question it, but even if you do would a redirect from "Frankfurt" to "Frankfurt am Main" cover this just fine.Donald24 (talk) 19:51, 22 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Weak Support The new name is more precise, but a hatnote might solve the problem? I do agree that the lack of distinction between the two in other articles is a worrying trend, though, and a move would certainly clear that up. Cheers, Zaldax (talk) 20:28, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose, this Frankfurt is overwhelmingly the primary topic; it is a major financial center. The name "Frankfurt am Main" is practically unknown in English.  We favor common names over official names in any case, see WP:COMMONNAME. — P.T. Aufrette (talk) 21:43, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose per P.T. Aufrette. The am Main/am Oder distinction is important in German but of very little concern in English due to this Frankfurt's prominence and that Frankfurt's obscurity on a global scale. The usage notes in #6 just reinforce the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC argument, and I've learned the hard way names in other language Wikipedias have little to no bearing on our names (see Talk:Cannabis coffee shop). --BDD (talk) 22:10, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose – The name is ambiguous, but this city is the clear primary topic. It is also a much more widely recognized name than the full name (which is given in the first sentence anyway).  Kanguole 23:57, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Mild oppose - I think it boils down to what P.T. Aufrette says that the distinction matters in Germany, but not much outside. Frankfurt (Oder) has a population of only 60,000 compared to Frankfurt am Main's 6,000,000, so in practice the "am Main" is redundant in all but official EU English language sources. If "am Main" was a useful natural disambiguator I'd be weak support but it isn't since I can't help thinking that adding "am Main" might confuse non Germany-familiar readers who have no idea about the geography of the River Main vs River Oder (on Polish border). In ictu oculi (talk) 03:06, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I do think however that Frankfurt (Main) Hauptbahnhof (cf. de:Frankfurt (Main) Hauptbahnhof) would be an interesting restore. And have just restored it per WP:BRD. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:14, 23 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Common name and primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:02, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose WP:COMMONNAME WP:PRIMARYTOPIC cover this nicely. Lectonar (talk) 11:05, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose per COMMONNAME.  Lugnuts  And the horse 16:53, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
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Frankfurter Rundschau filed insolvency with courts on November 13. 2012
Can someone include that one of the major Frankfurt newspapers has filed for insolvency protection / German equivalent of Chapter 11? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.190.229.211 (talk) 11:03, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Frankfort on the Main
Hello,

the English title is Frankfort on the Main, or Frankfort, not Frankfurt, the German name. Regards.--Tomcat (7) 10:40, 5 February 2013 (UTC)


 * see, which explains that the customary English name is Frankfurt. Apuldram (talk) 11:01, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Climate data is incorrect
The "Mean monthly sunshine hours" data for August is obviously broken. I don't know where to find the source data since the references are in German and I can't find the source data even when translating.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.218.4.2 (talk) 16:14, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
 * That seems to have been fixed, but there is now an edit war switching between two versions of the data. Both users involved claim to have their data from DWD = Deutscher Wetterdienst.
 * I am not sure that the DWD site supports deep links, so here is how to get the correct data for Frankfurt Airport:
 * Go to http://www.dwd.de/ and switch language to English
 * Click "Climate + Environment" in the menu bar at the top
 * Click "Climatological Data" in the side bar on the left
 * Click "more" in "Climate data – online – free", the top left content brick
 * Open "Climate Data for Germany" in the side bar on the left
 * Open "... per Measuring Stations" in the side bar on the left
 * Open "Long term means" in the side bar on the left
 * Switch language to German because the required information has not been translated
 * In "Tabelle B", the bottom table, click the download link in row "Sonnenscheindauer" and column "1981-2010"
 * On the download page "Download der Mittelwerte der Sonnenscheindauer bezogen auf den Standort 2010", download the 24 KB ZIP file
 * Open the Excel spreadsheet "internet_sonne_1981-2010_fester_Standort.xls" in the ZIP file "download_mw_sonne_1981-2010.zip"
 * Locate row 65: "FRANKFURT/M. (FLUGWEWA)" = Frankfurt am Main (FLUGhafenWEtterWArte, i.e. airport weather station)
 * Based on this, one of the two versions is clearly the correct one, though it has an additional digit of precision not present in the spreadsheet. As this precision clearly makes no sense for this kind of data (sensible rounding would leave roughly two digits, not 3-4), I will restore the correct information without the extra digit. Hans Adler 07:32, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Frankfort-on-the-Main
"It is also called Frankfort-on-the-Main in English, a translation of Frankfurt am Main." Who calls it that? Lfh (talk) 14:28, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't and wasn't aware that people did, but, there's 375.000 hits for it on google - so I think it's fair to say that apparently it is called that by some people. BabyNuke (talk) 14:51, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Fair enough! Lfh (talk) 09:33, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Frankfurt-on-the-Main is very old fashioned. It was quite common in past centuries. I use it sometimes on posters when I intend to be old fashioned. I've lived in Frankfurt for a long time and don't know anyone (German or English) who uses it. Frankfurt am Main is the correct name for the city, but it's long - so we often shorten it to Frankfurt. --Ebrownless (talk) 09:20, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

If you see old destination maps in London from 1900, then they will say Paris, Vienna, Frankfort and Berlin.

Recently restored station in London - Blackfriars, has large desinations display, and Frankfurt is spelt -Frankfort. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.254.158.212 (talk) 16:07, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Real population?
In this article we see "Basic statistics: Population	691,518 as of 31 December 2011[citation 1]", main lead: "The urban area had an estimated population of 2,300,000 in 2010.[citation 3". Which one is true? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.252.226.160 (talk) 09:35, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Wikivoyage?
I think many sections of this article are imported from Wikivoyage and need to be simplified. RaymondSutanto (talk) 10:28, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Meaning of name
The article tells us that the word Frankfurt means "ford of the Franks." How then do we explain Frankfurt (Oder), in an area where the Franks never set foot, and indeed founded well after the Franks had ceased to exist as a people? A better explanation is that both cities were originally "free fords." Frank in both German and English means "free." We speak frankly, we frank a letter so it will be posted for free. In German "frank und frei" means "quite freely." The Franks, originally an amalgam of various Germanic people, were "the free men." I think this is a better explanation for existence of two Frankfurts. Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 05:27, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I do not know if you read German, but it seems that the name was "transported" by settlers from the Frankfurt am Main area to the newly settled Frankfurt an der Oder; this seems plausible as there is actually no ford in Frankfurt an der Oder, See this: "Der Ortsname ist höchstwahrscheinlich vom gleichnamigen älteren Frankfurt/Main (Erstnennung im 8. Jh.). übertragen worden, d.h. er wurde durch zugewanderte Neusiedler vergeben. In der Ursiedlung Frankfurt/Oder sollen Franken ansässig gewesen sein. Die Bedeutung von Frankfurt/Main ist "die Siedlung an der Furt der Franken". In Frankfurt/Oder gab es eine solche Furt allerdings nicht." Lectonar (talk) 10:37, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * There's no ford at Frankfurt Main either. Rivers change radically over centuries: the Oder certainly did after Frederick the Great drained the Oderbrucht. But I agree this is a plausible explanation for the existence of Frankfurt (Oder). I still like my theory, though. Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 05:10, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Who cares about a ford in modern times? Obviously Frankfurt Main am Main was a place, where people crossed the Main river in the days of the Frank empire. Nowadays people prefer to use bridges. You should propagate you theory in scientific magazines. If we find it in the history books, it is ripe to be accepted by Wikipedia. (See WP:NOR for more)--Kgfleischmann (talk) 16:00, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Dom-Römer Project
Hi! I started an article on the Dom-Römer Project in the old town, please help to extend it. Thanks! -- Cheers Horst-schlaemma (talk) 16:01, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Timeline of Frankfurt
What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 13:37, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Old page history
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