Talk:Frankie Kazarian

Return to TNA
The page currently states: "Kaz will return as the masked wrestler Evolution and team with Prince Justice Brotherhood, along Shark Boy , Super Eric , and Curryman."

There is no source given for this and this information does not appear to be anywhere in the public domain. Unless there is any objection I will be removing this sentence as being unsourced speculation. Salim555 (talk) 15:55, 3 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Already removed it myself, but you would have been right to remove it. If you see stuff like that, just go ahead and edit it out if you can't find a source. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 16:48, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Frankie currently does shows for JAPW(Jersey All PRO). He is an excellent to his art of wrestling and overall an enjoyment to watch in the ring...- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.12.116.203 (talk) 19:44, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

That pic
About that pic of him and Shannon Moore together. I think it's a WWE Velocity taping, not a Smackdown taping.- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.22.183.53 (talk) 02:41, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Same thing, Velocity was taped before SmackDown! - so it was a smackDown!/Velocity taping SAH-DennyCrane 14:34, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Flux/Flex Capacitor
On his profile at tnawrestling.com, his finishing move is technically called the Flex Capacitor. It's just something I noticed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

Height/Weight
OK, does TNA really bill him at that height and weight? I suspect that that part of the entry is the work of a vandal, because there is no way that they could bill him at that height, OR that weight. Jackjackjackjackjack (talk) 21:00, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Flux Capaciter
shouldnt the flux capaciter be described as a rolling moonsault side slam? he doesnt really backflip, just turns like in a rolling moonsault.Skilldog2 (talk) 02:03, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Release on TNA website
There is a story on TNA's website that states Kazarian asked for his release, but it's believed that the story's a work, so I suggest the story should not be added to the entry. Steveweiser (talk) 22:46, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Well what has been added is okay for now. I believe we all know it is a work. The segment Karen's angle was made last week and he on there to talk about his release. Though TNA said he asked Monday. That is days after he talked about his release. It is a complete work. But to be on the safe side. What is added will work until further notice.-- Will C  21:59, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Return as Suicide?
Kaz should be returning as a masked wrestler "Suicide." Multiple sites state it and TNA has been airing subliminal ads for this guy, such as the 8/21/08 episode during Booker T's entrance. As he's walking up the stairs, the ad appears for less that 16.25 milliseconds. This is what they've been advertising subliminally. Just to let you know. I'm not too sure if this should be noted or not, but I'm just letting everyone know. SAVIOR_ SELF  .777  07:58, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I don't think that Suicide will be him. TNA has Ric Flair as the bg on the Suicide Myspace, myspace.com/whoissuicide, not to mention it saying, "/wooo/ is Suicide!".  They also have a shadow of Randy Orton and his music on the page.  It could also be Stevie Richards, since he was released from WWE and led the bWo, and he Myspace has an avatar of the /wooo/ World order.  It could be Kaz, but I doubt it. Purpleknowitall (talk) 23:08, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, Kaz was "released" from TNA, but it's simply kayfabe, so that hints that he is Suicide. Besides, I highly doubt TNA owns the MySpace page anymore since it features Randy Orton. So, the MySpace page is probably unreliable. SAVIOR_  SELF  .777  08:28, 6 September 2008 (UTC)


 * but It should NOT say that he will most likely be returning as him as him, because right now it is just a rumor. So I am taking it off L0W3R1D3R | TH3 L0W3D0WN 02:15, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, adding that he was Suicide was not my edit. Also, I just said what the rumor was. I didn't expect it to be noted. Also, since it seems that Suicide is kinda big, and Kaz is kinda small, I don't think it's him anymore. SAVIOR_  SELF  .777  03:46, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Who added Suicide was me, BrunoXico2345, and about the size, it doesn't matter, if he had the skills, and about the DOA, is a modified haedscissors takedown into a leg trap sunset flip powerbomb (Also known as YOSHI TONIC). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.30.200.2 (talk) 23:27, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah but the whole "As suicide" move section should be removed as it is unsourced and only in the game. 24.226.23.56 (talk) 04:47, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


 * It was confirmed that he was Siocide even though he was injured back last month. So it should now be added as it was confirmed. But he will not say it in an interview, and he is definitely Suicide. Also, another note from the Final Resolution PPV, Daffeny from WCW was the fake Gov. Sarah Palin.Klrobinson93 (talk) 02:01, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Bring a reliable source that he is Suicide. Saying that it is confirmed is original research when a source is not presented.-- Will C  02:07, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Kaz can't be Suicide...because...I AM SUICIDE! TonyFreakinAlmeida (talk) 17:12, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Nah, Kaz is. But really, I am Siocide. --Numyht (talk) 14:48, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * PWInsider is not a reliable source. Will C  15:05, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it is. Let it go man. Mshake3 (talk) 19:50, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Verify that it is reliable. Will C  21:37, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * And how exactly would I do that? A better idea is for you to prove that their site writers are not. Mshake3 (talk) 05:15, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't have to, for a site to be reliable it must be Verifiable. If it can't be verifiable then it is not reliable. Explain why it is reliable. Will C  05:20, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * As far as wrestling news websites go, PWI is considered to be the most reliable by a clear mile. Even so, we cannot really take any news as fact regarding the Suicide character. I thought it was too tall to be Kaz, personally, but then they did wait longer than they were supposed to before they debuted Suicide, which the wouldn't do unless the guy playing him was stalled (Kaz had a injury/surgery). I say wait a little before doing anything. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.233.227.57 (talk) 15:49, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * "Articles should rely on reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy." A look around the wrestling community shows that those two sites are two of the best out there when it comes to this. Mshake3 (talk) 15:52, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

How about the Baltimore Sun as a reliable source? "It is Kaz in the Suicide costume, but the DOA finishing move he hit last night was a little sloppy, and that is very un-Kaz like." Now will someone add the Suicide section. Austinmayor (talk) 03:34, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * What makes the Baltimore Sun reliable? Not every publication is reliable. Will C  03:56, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Sure, not every publication is not reliable, but what makes the New York Times or Washington Post more "reliable" than the Baltimore Sun? Why should I consider them reliable sources at all? Perhaps I should go and flag all Wiki articles that reference these publications, as there is no proof that they are "reliable". As a matter of fact, what makes ANY print publication reliable? Might as well flag all of Wikipedia then.

Please tell me why would any print publication be deemed more reliable than the Baltimore Sun, a venerable newspaper with decades of history and numerous awards to its credit? --Goosedoggy (talk) 05:22, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't have too. It is your job if you want to use the sun as a source. It must be verifiable that it is reliable. It is guidelines of wikipedia. A reliable source is needed here since multiple rumors have went around it is either Christopher Daniels, Kaz, or Amazing Red. Prove that it is reliable and do not speculate when doing so. Don't say they are always right which you can't back up. You must be able to prove what you say.-- Will C  08:51, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

I didn't bring in the Baltimore Sun as a source actually. However, if you want to discredit the Baltimore Sun as a credible source, it is YOUR job to prove why it is NOT a credible source. I gave clear reasons above why the Baltimore Sun is both reliable and verifiable. If this were not a wrestling-based article -- say a political article -- and I used the New York Times as a resource, it would be considered a credible and reliable resource, and it would be up to you to provide reasons why we should discredit it as a source.

Here, a reliable source (The Baltimore Sun, a historic, award-winning, reputable newspaper) is reporting information on their website through one of their reporters. It is verifiable by making a contact to the Baltimore Sun, asking for the reporter, and verifying if he stands by the statements in his article.

Will, please don't stump about Wikipedia's standards because it is clear you don't fully understand them. In this case you are misinterpreting the standard of verification. If TNA as a company doesn't want to officially state who is playing Suicide, and Kaz himself isn't commenting, we aren't going to get a verification from the "source". Take the politics example again -- if a reporter from the Post or Times implicates a politician and sites only unnamed or "insider" sources, that information still makes Wikipedia.

"According to Dave Johnson of the New York Times, Senator Smith with Mr Davidson five times in November and received 1.5 million in illegal contributions" A typical statement you would see on fictional Senator Smith's Wikipedia entry. But how would this statement be "verifiable"? What if this were a breaking story and the NYT were the first to report it? Do we not allow the information to post until the information has been "verified" by other news sources? What if reporter Johnson has sources that no other news outlet has? How would his information be verifiable?

Wikipedia is an oxymoron in itself ... its a real-time community resource of historic information. But if a reporter from the Baltimore Sun reports in an article, even a web article, that Kaz is Suicide, that qualifies as a source. It doesn't matter that other unreliable, disreputable sources reported it to be Amazing Red or Christopher Daniels (really?) ... what matters is that a reporter from a reliable newspaper IS saying that it is Kaz.

And what if the reporter from The Sun is wrong? Well, if a more reliable source can be found that states that Suicide is someone else, then Wikipedia will be updated accordingly. It wouldn't be the first time that a newspaper, major news outlet, or Wikipedia published incorrect information. --Goosedoggy (talk) 06:54, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The Wrestling Observer strikes again. Mshake3 (talk) 15:46, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe you can be more straight forward and give an exact statement on the Kaz situation in that article because I don't see anything about him in it.-- Will C  21:19, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The "Find" dialogue box is your friend. "And yes, that is Frankie Kazarian under the mask as Suicide" Mshake3 (talk) 01:47, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Because you say so is not proof. You should know that Mshake considering you've been here a long time.-- Will C  02:15, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Sigh. That is the quote from the goddamn article! Mshake3 (talk) 04:08, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, did not understand what you were talking about. Considering that is one small sentence this will have to be discussed at WT:PW to get a bigger opinion if that is good enough.-- Will C  04:12, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Seriously, just stop! Stop dragging this out. Stop finding excuses for not including information. Mshake3 (talk) 05:04, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Well Christopher Daniels is now playing Suicide since Kazarian got injured. TonyFreakinAlmeida (talk) 04:20, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yup, PWTorch reported it last week as well. If someone can add, here is the link:

http://pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/TNA_News_1/article_29684.shtml --Goosedoggy (talk) 03:53, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

TNA Tag Champion
TNAwrestling.com doesn't recognize his title win with Eric Young. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.39.132.154 (talk) 05:36, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Armenian origin
The source that is being used for his Armenian origin seems to be far from credible — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.176.233.4 (talk) 15:15, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Will Revise
"In October/November 2012, Gerdelman and Brookshaw welcomed their first child, a son, which was confirmed in early July 2013." Why would they confirm it eight or nine months after the child was born? Wouldn't make sense to do so. I will revise that sentence to read "early 2013" as that makes much more sense. Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 19:38, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

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Kaz's birthday
I noticed that the reference for Frankie's birthday is dead. I Googled for some reliable sources, but found none. However, on his official FaceBook, he talks about his birthday and thanks people for birthdays on this past August 4th. Surely Facebook is generally an unreliable source, but can there be any exception when the information is coming directly from the horse's mouth, so to speak? "Yes... It's Raining " 17:56, 22 August 2020 (UTC)