Talk:Frisian languages

Topic
The page now has: ''This page covers the West Frisian language, spoken in the Netherlands. For other Frisian languages see Frisian language (disambiguation).'' It continues with a treatment of the super language, with only occasional reference to West-Frisian. Something is not quite right there. Aliter 17:50, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Saxon dialect?
Is Frisian a Saxon dialect? It is grouped with English, which is Saxon. --Vitzque (talk) 19:13, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry, mate, despite having an ancestry of Angles, Jutes, and Saxons, and later French, English is not Saxon - time has moved on. 98.67.191.44 (talk) 03:51, 29 July 2016 (UTC)


 * No. There are three related, but different, things called "Saxon".


 * "Anglo-Saxon" refers to the tribes that left Frisia 1600 years ago to conquer Britain. The people who stayed behind in Frisia are the Frisians. Their languages were mutually intelligible, but after all these centuries, they've diverged into English and Frisian, which are more closely related to each other than to the other Germanic languages, but separate languages.


 * "Saxon language(s)" is another name for the West Low German family, which came from the area east of Frisia, centered around the modern state of Lower Saxony. These languages are the next closest relatives to Anglo-Frisian (although they're even more closely related to East Low German), but are closer to Dutch than Anglo-Frisian is.


 * "Saxon dialect(s)" refers to the dialects of Upper Saxony, an area all the way on the other side of Germany centered around the modern states of Saxony and Thuringia. These are East Central dialects of High German, much closer to standard German than to Low German, Dutch, or Anglo-Frisian.


 * So, neither Anglo-Saxon nor Old Frisian, nor modern English nor modern Frisian, are Saxon languages, or Saxon dialects. But, just to make things more fun, there is a language called East Frisian that is not Frisian but Saxon. --157.131.246.136 (talk) 08:05, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Frisian in Germany
We have: "Saterland and North Frisian[9] are officially recognised and protected as minority languages in Germany". I assume this is true. However, it might be worth noting that the Friesisch-Gesetz given as source doesn't name the languages other than as "die in Schleswig-Holstein gesprochenen friesischen Sprachformen". That also means it doesn't refer to Saterland Frisian, which is spoken in Lower Saxony. Mysha (talk)

Comparative sentence suggestion
Having the sentence in Old Frisian and in Anglo-Saxon would be interesting, if someone could provide such a translation. Peter G Werner (talk) 19:26, 14 March 2020 (UTC) -

I've translated it using the same sentence structure as modern English as, grammatically, I'm not up to snuff for old English; I'm almost certain that this is incorrect (eg I am unsure of the gender for chin and lips), but I've tried my best. If anyone could go over it, that would be ggrreeeaat. There's no attestation for 'boy' though Wikia says it comes from 'boia', which, considering its Proto form makes sense, but it's unattested so I'm not using it. Cnihtcild could also be used, but this is a kenning for a (male) child.

Se mann gestraceð seo mægden onbutan seo[?] cinn and gecysseð on hire lippes

English, Frisian and Germanic links
There is a discussion about whether there is a linkage between Germanic, Frisian and English peoples and languages at Talk:English people. It would be helpful if editors could hold fire on making edits related to this topic until a consensus has been reached. Thanks. Bermicourt (talk) 13:30, 1 November 2021 (UTC)