Talk:Fully Integrated Robotised Engine

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Nice picture, but surely it is copyrighted? Notinasnaid 13:38, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The first FIRE engine has a 769 cm3 displacement and was applied on the Panda 750 Fire model.

Are the T-Jet/StarJet engines not GM Ecotec units rather than FIRE units? --89.101.141.253 (talk) 15:00, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey Guys, the 769cc engine has a stroke of 58 mm, please change this :-) Bit funny thinking of a Fiat Engine with a long stroke like a Austin Mini 1100... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.226.18.243 (talk) 02:08, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

The Opel Cars have the 1.229 cc 16V Ecotec TwinPort engine with 86 HP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Family_0_engine TwinPort)

The Fiat 1.2 Fire 16V is a 1.242 cc with max 80 HP. --Corvettec6r (talk) 18:09, 29 June 2010 (UTC) The 1.2 16V Fire production end in 2009 with Idea replaced by the new 1.4 8V Fire Euro 5...


 * 1) No FIRE engine has ever been called JTB, not even internally. The only engine which has JTB as an internal denomination is the 1750 TBI engine. JTB Stands for Jet-thrust Turbo Benzina, which is a variation on the older Jet Thrust Stoichiometric acronym used on the 1970cc direct injection Pratola Serra Famiglia B engine, and on the GM-derived direct-injection units used on the 939/946 family of cars. In other words, JTB was an internal denomination to identify an engine with both direct injection and turbocharging. It was never used as an official denomination, which was changed to TBI, which stands for Turbo Benzina Iniezione (Turbo Petrol Injection). Therefore, associating it to FIRE engines is incorrect.
 * 2) The 1242cc 8v SMPI engine without VVT went out of production in 2009, last usage was on the Fiat Idea. From 2007 onwards (first applied on the Fiat 500), Fiat uses an Euro5 version of the 1242cc 8v, which has VVT. I quote from the Fiat 500 launch press pack: "Fluid dynamic optimisation achieved by a new high turbulence combustion chamber combined with a continuous variable cam phaser."
 * 3) Starjet is a term which specifically identifies the 1368cc 16v unit with both PDA and VVT, and not 1368cc engines in general. Quote: "the new 95 bhp 1.4 16v Starjet (EURO 4) applies three technologies at the same time for the first time in the world. It adopts a variable swirl combustion chamber system based on an intake manifold with phased Doppler anemometry (PDA), combined with variable valve timing (VVT) controlled by the injection control unit." . There is no 8v Starjet either.
 * 4) Fiat PR has never stated that all Punto engines have PDA. And as I pointed out, the two engines I marked as having VVT do have VVT.

--Aprovera (talk) 21:10, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

1368cc 8v VVT
Upon further research, I found out that there's a 1368cc 8v engine with VVT. The first mention I found from official sources is from 2005, so I put 2005 as start of production. Please note that at this point I'm not even sure there ever was a 1368cc 8v without VVT, as I couldn't find 1.4 8v engines mentioned at all before 2005. For instance, Wiki says that the Fiat Idea used the 1.4 8v engine from 2003, but the Fiat press site doesn't agree. I'm leaving the non-VVT version in the article, though, since I'm not 100% sure about it.

--Aprovera (talk) 09:40, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

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