Talk:Genetic Studies of Genius

So, did they do better or not?
Reading this article, it feels like it is building up to a results section, the scene is set, the children have been chosen, followed for decades and then.... nothing. Please can some write a final paragraph? How did their lives turn out? How many went on to fame and fortune?
 * They didn't do any better. I've added an excerpt from Terman himself, plus Sorokin's criticism. -- Dandv ( talk &#124; contribs ) 04:08, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * This article is a perfect example of one that leaves the reader wanting. It doesn't mention the correlation (for ex., in terms of percentages) of genetics vs. intelligence that the doctor found. Even if the information is obsolete, you need to clearly and concisely leave that information for the reader to read. What's going on, man? Please, step it up.  Lighthead  þ 17:21, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Intelligence Citations Bibliography for Articles Related to IQ Testing
You may find it helpful while reading or editing articles to look at a bibliography of  Intelligence Citations, posted for the use of all Wikipedians who have occasion to edit articles on human intelligence and related issues. I happen to have circulating access to a huge academic research library at a university with an active research program in those issues (and to another library that is one of the ten largest public library systems in the United States) and have been researching these issues since 1989. You are welcome to use these citations for your own research. You can help other Wikipedians by suggesting new sources through comments on that page. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk) 17:18, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * In the Criticism section, I've added a mention of Pitirim Sorokin's critique of the study. However, I only have that form Malcolm Gladwell's book Outliers, and Sorokin's book isn't available on Google Books, save for very brief excerpts. It does see like Sorokin's critique is at pages 70-76, and if you have access to his book, it would be great if you could update the Criticism section. This review of Outliers claims that Gladwell "flagrantly misrepresents Pitirim Sorokin's critique of Terman". Thanks, Dandv ( talk &#124; contribs ) 03:24, 2 June 2011 (UTC).


 * I returned the book to my friendly local academic library recently, but I can readily get it again. I'll see what's on those pages. P.S. The Shurkin book (cited in this article, but not nearly enough) is very good. That's definitely going to be helpful for further edits of this article. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 04:21, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

@Dandv ,if you are familiar with the book Outliers, you probably know that 2 Nobel laureates for physics were rejected by Terman workers, because they did not scire IQ 135 or above on the test. I started another thread about this on talk. I think this is significant. But I believe it is nit something Terman wrote about. So where to put it. Can it belong to "Follow up" chapter ? "Criticism" ? Or a seoarate chapter ? SlovakBarbie (talk) 17:24, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

1991 follow up
In 1991 there was a follow up of living members of this group, around 1991 to 1993  Bruce Ariss was member of Mensa and the Steinbeck SIG, and mentioned his participation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Ariss — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.239.134.100 (talk) 20:38, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Necessary edits being blocked by childish editor
I saw that some very obviously sensible and necessary efforts had been undone for no clear reason so I restored them. A very childish editor is repeatedly removing them, for no reason that I can see other than he doesn't like the person who made them. He seems to have found support from an administrator, unfortunately, who has protected the article. So I will say here that phrases like "what makes these results remarkable" are an appalling violation of NPOV, which is a core policy of the encyclopaedia. If a phrase like that appears on an article even for a second, it is shameful. For an editor to repeatedly re-add this text is pure vandalism. It's absolutely absurd that he has not been punished for such behaviours. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.132.219.220 (talk) 21:36, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Religiosity of participants
I removed a few statements regarding the religious upbringing of the participants. These have been uncited since September 2013 and fail WP:V. I've looked briefly for the studies named (Robin Sears, Columbia University, 1995; Michael McCullough; University of Miami; 2005), but I've had no luck, so I'm leaving a note here in case anyone else can find proper citations. clpo13(talk) 19:53, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Notable peoole rejected by the study
Where to put the info, that none if the study participants win Nibel prize, whereas there were 2 Nobel laureates in physics who were IQ tested, but rejected in this study ? SlovakBarbie (talk) 10:22, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Sorry for the typos. SlovakBarbie (talk) 10:24, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Also two famius violinists were rejected. SlovakBarbie (talk) 10:24, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Citation: Randall Kisser (2017) Soft Skills for the Effective Lawyer. Cambridge University Press. p. 89. https://g.co/kgs/k4ju4k SlovakBarbie (talk) 16:35, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

The physicists awarded by Nobel prize were Luis Alvarez and William Shockley. The famous violinists were Yehudi Menuhim and Isaac Stern. SlovakBarbie (talk) 17:04, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

On Follow-ups
Terman had noted that as adults, his subjects pursued common occupations "as humble as those of policeman, seaman, typist and filing clerk" and concluded: "At any rate, we have seen that intellect and achievement are far from perfectly correlated."

Being a humble policeman, seaman, typist or filing clerk requires the mind of a genius and or common sense (as the saying goes, common sense is not common). Ayn Rand makes a negative criticism of the praise of the average, which is however a criticism on the bad common sense an individual and or society tends to have, for various reasons like sloth, decadence etc.

Morality takes precedence over Intelligence Quotient (IQ) in a moral society, and is the bigger reason for the prevention of delinquency and or midlife crisis. Success in personal and public life is largely due to the type of nurture, education, environment, lifestyle choices and destiny chosen for everyone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.78.157.209 (talk) 12:02, 12 July 2019 (UTC)