Talk:Geography of North Macedonia

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GEOGRAPHY OF FYROM IS NOT GEOGRAPHY OF MACEDONIA !! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.47.35.16 (talk) 09:24, 22 December 2002 (UTC)
 * Could you explain this? -- JeLuF 10:15 Dec 22, 2002 (UTC)

DAS IST Elementare Sache! 1+1=2! COUD YOU EXPLAIN THIS ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.47.35.16 (talk) 11:03, 22 December 2002 (UTC)


 * 1+1=2 is not elementary. 1+1=0 also results in a contradiction-free abelian group. 1+1=2 is an axiom, a useful convention.
 * As far as I understand it, FYROM is the name the UN uses for naming Macedonia. The Greeks don't like the name Macedonia since they have a region named Macedonia already. Is this wrong? -- JeLuF — Preceding undated comment added 12:10, 22 December 2002‎
 * PS: Could you please avoid shouting?

See FYROM and Macedonia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.47.34.231 (talk) 12:19, 22 December 2002 (UTC)


 * Pretty much what I said above. So what do you propose? Would Geography of the Former Yougoslav Republic of Macedonia be better? — Preceding unsigned comment added by JeLuF (talk • contribs) 12:33, 22 December 2002 (UTC)

JES!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.47.34.231 (talk • contribs) 14:02, 22 December 2002 (UTC)


 * Our anon user is correct - Macedonia and the FYROM are not the same thing. I've moved the page accordingly. --Camembert — Preceding undated comment added 14:09, 22 December 2002‎

POLL: Introduction for Republic of Macedonia article
Given ongoing discussions and recent edit warring, a poll is currently underway to decide the rendition of the lead for the Republic of Macedonia article. Please weigh in! E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 01:04, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

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Geography of North Macedonia
The geography of North Macedonia is an article about the geography of the country called North Macedonia that encompasses the northern part of the geographical region of Macedonia i.e. the ajective in this context should be North Macedonian: forests, lakes etc., not simply Macedonian, which has broader meaning. Jingiby (talk) 15:27, 13 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Please read #4 here under "detailed consensus". There is no consensus for non-state adjectives where there is no ambiguity, so we defer to stable wording until otherwise agreed upon. -- Local hero talk 15:31, 13 April 2019 (UTC)


 * "State-related" is a bit ill-defined. Having participated in the original discussion, I remember the spirit behind it being "things about the country/state of North Macedonia" as opposed to "things related to the Slavic Macedonian ethnic group and culture". When compiling reliable source references, forests, mountains, roads, etc., were put in the "state-related" category. --Antondimak (talk) 09:48, 4 August 2022 (UTC)


 * You are not the only victim of the North Macedonian obsession. I agree that we should use North Macedonian in the cases you report. It's really crazy how some specific people try to misinterpret WP:MOSMAC for their own interests and they block the improvement of this project. Ο Ροζ Πάνθηρας

Nomination for deletion of "Template:Largest cities of North Macedonia"
Template:Largest cities of North Macedonia has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 11:24, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

, North Macedonia's side, leads to cumbersome text
The sentence The biggest island in the Great Prespa Lake, on North Macedonia's side, is called Golem Grad ("Large Fortress"), or Snake Island (Змиски Остров). is hard to read and I changed it to The largest island on the North Macedonian side of the lake is called Golem Grad ("Large Fortress"), or Snake Island (Змиски Остров)., which sounds more natural to me, and seems to agree according to the last edit. has also expressed this opinion above and he was blocked by a specific user who blocks me as well. I would like to have the opinion of more users here. Ο Ροζ Πάνθηρας Ο Ροζ Πάνθηρας 08:09, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * "The largest island on the North Macedonian side of the lake" implies that there are larger islands on other "sides", which there are not. The "side" wording should probably be revised though, islands aren't on sides, they're in the lake itself. "Biggest" is also an odd choice, given there are only two. CMD (talk) 09:48, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes. Reading it quickly I also accidentally read "Albania" as "Albanian", because of its position inside the parenthesis next to the name. How about "It has two islands, the bigger of which is called Golem Grad ("Large Fortress"), or Snake Island (Змиски Остров), and is located on the North Macedonian part of the lake. The other island, Mal Grad ("Small Fortress"), is on the Albanian part, and is the site of a ruined 14th century monastery dedicated to St. Peter."? --Antondimak (talk) 10:01, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree that Ο Ροζ Πάνθηρας's version sounds more natural. I won't oppose any version which is unambiguous and in accordance to the guidelines. I will however add that it's tiring to go through all this hassle every time somebody tries to improve an article related to North Macedonia. --Antondimak (talk) 09:52, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The sentence of looks good to me. If we want to be pedantic, I think the word larg(er) is more suitable than big(ger), and the passive voice is located may be replaced by the active voice lies.
 * For example, It has two islands, the larger of which is called Golem Grad ("Large Fortress"), or Snake Island (Змиски Остров), and lies on the North Macedonian part of the lake. The other island, Mal Grad ("Small Fortress"), lies on the Albanian part and is the site of a ruined 14th century monastery dedicated to St. Peter. Ο Ροζ Πάνθηρας(talk)
 * I agree with this version. --Antondimak (talk) 20:51, 4 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Why use all the extra words? It has two islands, the larger of which is called Golem Grad ("Large Fortress"), or Snake Island (Змиски Остров), and lies in North Macedonia. The other island, Mal Grad ("Small Fortress"), lies in Albania and is the site of a ruined 14th century monastery dedicated to St. Peter. -- Local hero talk 00:01, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Why discuss the Albanian island at all? Establish that the text only talks about the portion within North Macedonia, and you don't need to specify countries. CMD (talk) 00:40, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Fair point, I've just edited the text accordingly. -- Local hero talk 02:26, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
 * This version seems a bit confusing to me. It's literally correct, but, assuming that the average reader has no knowledge of the matter beforehand, which is how Wikipedia should be written, I don't think it's easily read by someone skimming through. That's just my opinion though, nothing subjective. --Antondimak (talk) 10:04, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Perhaps we re-wrote the sentence as many times as necessary to avoid North Macedonian until we completely broke the sentence. We succeeded in limiting the english language in favour of nationalism. Ο Ροζ Πάνθηρας(talk) — Preceding undated comment added 20:22, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't say it's broken, just subjectively slightly more confusing. --Antondimak (talk) 21:05, 5 August 2022 (UTC)