Talk:George Carlin/Archive 2

Final Wishes
Does anyone else think that this is worth adding to the article? Yannisschmid (talk) 23:07, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, this was added into the "Death and tribute" section of the article. Msw1002 (talk) 23:41, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Atheism
FUCK ATHEISM. This is weakly backed up by a quote of him noting that he essentially does not reject notions of the spirit. Atheism is the lack of a belief in god, not the lack of subscription to spirituality altogether. I am sorry, I am a wiki-noob an am unfamiliar with the etiquette of signing posts.
 * I agree with you in theory, but this is Wikipedia, and we have to go with facts which can be backed up with external citations; given what evidence we have (and more importantly, what evidence we don't have) we don't know for certain what Carlin actually believes or doesn't believe, so we have to go with what he's said. Yes, he had that bit called "There is no God" on You Are All Diseased.  In interviews he's qualified that by stating that he's specifically referring to the Judeo-Christian "invisible man in the clouds" version of God, and that he doesn't really know enough about the various other religions' deities to authoritatively say that they're all bullshit.  Remember, what a comedian says when they're on stage isn't always the whole story, since the whole story isn't always good comedy.  He goes out of his way to not identify himself specifically as an atheist.  While it's true that him avoiding that label doesn't tell us what he does believe in, but we have to have the article reflect what he's said, not what we think he means.  Oh, as for signing posts, all you need to remember is four tildes. - Ugliness Man 08:20, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It's common knowledge that Carlin considers all religions as superstition. This by his statements both on and off stage.--BMF81 09:50, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I'll give you a hard quote on something Carlin said: "I was roman catholic, until i reached the age of reason..." Don't assume that he would be modest enough to 'not know one way or the other,' when have you ever seen/heard/known Carlin to be 'respectful' of ANY topic? He was an atheist. If you have a problem with that, that's your problem, not his. Dave 01:54, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Uglinessman - you misunderstand the meaning of the word 'Atheism' - it simply means a lack of belief. 61.91.35.101 (talk) 13:14, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but no. "2 a disbelief in the existence of deity b : the doctrine that there is no deity" . a-theo = no-deity. It is also worth noting that religion is not entirely about belief in a deity; a great deal of it is about ritual and conformity. (Yes, i'm a bit pessimistic in that regard.)
 * I think it would be a fair assessment to consider George to have been agnostic. I think he would be ashamed of himself to assume that he was in a position to know one way or another. His outlook seemed to be that it was pointless (even ridiculous) for us to worry about it.
 * The bottom line is that he apparently never outright declared his position, publicly. So we can't put anything more definite than that in the article. —überRegenbogen (talk) 06:34, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * "I think it would be a fair assessment to consider George to have been agnostic." That's meaningless. Being agnostic just means lack of knowledge. An agnostic person is still either atheist or theist.
 * No, an agnostic person admits that they don't know enough to truly believe or disbelieve - they are neither theistic nor atheistic.Luminifer (talk) 03:02, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

I'll quote George, from his last book. "When it comes to God's existence, I'm not an atheist, and I'm not an agnostic. I'm an acrostic. The whole thing puzzles me." - George Carlin, from his book "When Will Jesus Bring the Pork Chops?" published in 2005 —Preceding Vashta Narata comment added by Vashta Narata (talk) 04:41, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

An agnostic is doubtful of the existence of a god. An atheist is someone who does not believe the existence of a god. George Carlin is an atheist. If that bothers you, you're probably religious.Bryandaniel (talk) 02:48, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

An agnostic is NOT 'doubtful of the existence of god,' <-- your words. The position of an agnostic is "don't know, don't care." Dave 01:55, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Surprisingly, no, I'm not religious at all. I'm a skeptic. That isn't what bothers me. What bothers me is misinformation. If you read his last book, he denies being an atheist, and he denies being an agnostic. He also denies believing in any religion. He considers the whole thing too confusing and leaves it at that. You can purchase his book off of Amazon. It is titled "When Will Jesus Bring the Pork Chops?". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vashta Narata (talk • contribs) 06:50, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * On Larry King Live, Carlin stated "I don't believe in god". On Politically Incorrect, he said "There is no god". George Carlin has made it very clear for years that he doesn't believe there's an invisible man in the sky, but because of his acrostic line, you're telling me he leaves the door open for fairy tales? Why don't you call him a Joe Pesci-theist or a Frisbeetarianist?Bryandaniel (talk) 15:32, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * From the "Touched by an Angel" page: "MADtv aired a sketch titled "Touched by an Atheist" (featuring well-known atheist George Carlin) that showed the angels and Carlin disputing the existence of God at a dying man's bedside. The sketch also poked fun at the well-publicized salary discrepancy between Reese and Downey." All this is a matter of symantics; it's obvious that Carlin didn't believe in God and was skeptical of religions.  He may say he's an acrostic, but it is well known that he IS an atheist.Dale (talk) 19:47, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The problem is that atheist is used in different ways in different places. George Carlin did not believe in any of the judao-christian gods, and by most peoples' standards, that makes him an atheist. Is a Buddhist an atheist? Some may say yes. Others will disagree. The problem is that the word is NOT an exactly descriptive word. For instance, Carlin has implied at some times (Jammin in New York for one) that he seems to believe in some spirituality - similar to some Native Americans (though he hated the term) -- the spirituality of the Earth.. Is such a person an atheist? Some say yes, some say no. Luminifer (talk) 15:33, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

"FUCK ATHEISM" - if this has something to do with something Carlin said, it needs to be put in quotes. If this is someone's personal opinion of atheism, it needs to be removed. I pity anyone who lives their life in fear because they're afraid of some invisible all-knowing all-powerful deity WHO "NEEDS YOUR MONEY!" "God will send you to hell for all eternity...but he loves you! and he needs your money!" (see, those are quotes from Carlin, I remember Carlin doing a skit about the catholic church talking about how god always needs your money, he'll send you to hell for all eternity if you disobey him but (he loves you! and) he needs your money. Dave/Sly/Slydawg (talk) 04:28, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

50 years ago I decided always to write a-theism and a-gnostic. It causes less confusion, and I wish GC had done the same. Has anybody considered the violence in the Carlin household during George's early childhood years - - and considered MPD and BPD? These are a very good bet.

George Carlin, jewish?
Is george carlin jewish? His surname is jewish so I was wondering if anyone knows if he has jewish ancestry? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.69.76.35 (talk) 19:04, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Not that I know of. If he is, he is an Atheist Jew, because of his satire of bullshit. Candle of Hope 17:35, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * George Carlin was an Irish Catholic. In fact, he had to quit the Catholics, because they were after his soul.  They had announced it to him, "All we want... your mortal soul."  And he had heard about soul... long before he had heard about Catholic, he had heard about soul... and all they ever kept saying was, "Save it!  Save your soul... save your SOUL!"  And the Catholics were after his!  So he said, "No good man!  I'm savin' my soul.  Shine it up... use it on the weekends..." Famartin (talk) 18:02, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Lolwut? 2k6168 (talk) 12:03, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

From the article: Carlin was born in New York City,[21] the son of Mary (née Bearey), a secretary, and Patrick Carlin, a national advertising manager for the New York Sun.[16] Carlin was of Irish descent and was raised in the Roman Catholic faith.[22][23][24] Billy j844 (talk) 15:46, 23 June 2008 (UTC)billy June 23, 2008

Death?
It's being reported that Carlin has died. Anyone have more sources to substantiate this? faithless  (speak)  05:09, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

__ Sorry I'm not exactly sure how to use the talk pages or the right markup or what have you but here is another source http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25322638/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.236.124.169 (talk) 05:13, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

FoxNews and New York Times have confirmed as well.-- Bedford Pray  05:35, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid it's confirmed, Mr. Carlin passed on June 22, 2008. --/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 05:36, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * (oc):Yep, looks like I asked this just as all the other media outlets were rushing to get the story out (apparently E! was the first to get it out). faithless   (speak)  05:38, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I just went to Google News and that's one of the top stories thereSmiloid (talk) 08:33, 23 June 2008 (UTC) :( —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2k6168 (talk • contribs) 12:04, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

C'mon, someone ought to change "died" to "expired" or "passed away," perhaps "had a terminal episode" ;-) 204.110.170.5 (talk) 19:08, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, he did die in a hospital, so by his own admission that hospital may well refer to it as a "Negative Patient Care Outcome", but out of respect for his disdain for euphemistic language, I think it would be best to say that he died. 142.162.40.131 (talk) 01:21, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Dang, forgot I wasn't logged in - direct preceding comment is by me. Empath (talk) 01:26, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Totally agreed; it's not like he lost a bout of "life fatigue" or "cardiac exhaustion". Tell it like it is; that's how George would've wanted it. --/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 01:58, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Death - Sources
I'm less than thrilled with the citations for his death. There is obviously no doubt, but none of the articles compares to a number of obituaries I've read. The best of those being one I read in the The New York Times

My problem is, I'm really lousy at adding/changing these types of citations. Could someone do it for me? Here is the article I think should be included (or better yet, replace one of the others - like the AP one (on msnbc) for example.

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Angrykeyboarder (talk • contribs) 11:04, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * After being less than thrilled, would you be more than happy? 209.10.89.3 (talk) 18:16, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Number of heart attacks
I've changed the reference to "the first of his his three heart attacks" to "non-fatal heart attacks" (since this final one makes a total of four). After the dust settles, we may want to change this to simply "four heart attacks". —überRegenbogen (talk) 06:11, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * But his cause of death was heart failure. That is not the same thing as a heart attack. angrykeyboarder (a/k/a:Scott) (talk) 11:07, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I anonymously edited the date of death back to June22nd, the actual death. It was January 1st 2008 for some reason. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AdammGoldstein (talk • contribs) 19:20, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

George Carlin was angioplasted back to the stoned age. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.82.52.223 (talk) 03:11, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Discography addition
I noticed this record was omitted from the discog:

Indecent Exposure: Some of the Best of George Carlin (C) 1978 Little David Records Co., Inc. Serial: LD 1076. Dist. by Atlantic Recording Corp. Vintagejonny (talk) 05:53, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Future Tour Dates
Call me crazy, but for some reason I don't think he'll be able to make these.--Dr who1975 (talk) 06:04, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Would definitely be notable if he does make them.-- Bedford Pray  06:33, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * That would have to meet some kinda damn strict verifiability standard. - Yamara ✉  13:43, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * No duh, dude. He is dead. --75.24.65.168 (talk) 15:36, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Humor Awards
It was announced on Tuesday that George Carlin would be the recipient of the 11th Annual Mark Twain Prize for American Comedy. Saxygator 07:18, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Which unit did Carlin serve with?
Does anyone know which unit George Carlin served with while he was stationed at Barksdale AFB? I was stationed there myself in the eighties, and I am curious if I was in the same unit he got kicked out of. --Baddogsprocket (talk) 08:08, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You know, thinking back to when I was serving at Cannon AFB in New Mexico, I recall other saying that George Carlin was a "A-Shopper" on F-111s. I've no idea if F-111's were ever at Barksdale, but since the A-shop was for avionics, particularly RADAR (the article as is indicates that he worked radar), that could be.--200.41.2.144 (talk) 17:33, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Anyone with USAF connections know if we can get documentation on that? Maybe through something that's already been FOIA'd? --/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 02:01, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * A document relateds to Carlin's USAF discharge is on his official website under "Documents". MSJapan (talk) 16:33, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Olbermann
I just found out he died and so I came to wikipedia to find out more. When I got to the page though, something kind of jumped out at me. Keith Olbermann was influenced by George Carlin? I don't discount it I guess, but it just seems odd that a sportscaster-turned-political-commentator would be influenced to that large of a degree by a stand up comedian. Anybody have anymore information on this one? Joel.a.davis (talk) 15:20, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I would hope that the coming days would see 10 minute tributes by people such as Kevin Smith and Bill Maher, and apparently Olbermann as well. Wait a week or so and Keith himself will reveal whether or not that's true. Wouldn't surprise me, though, since a LOT of Keith's style is biting satire along the lines of Carlin or Richard Pryor or even Lenny Bruce... who was the "wake up call" for Carlin. 199.214.27.32 (talk) 15:57, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Inclusion of Sally Wade
On Carlin's official web site, he mentions falling in love with Sally Wade in the year after Brenda Carlin's death. Some articles refer to her as his wife, though an actual marriage is unconfirmed. I recommend adding this information to the Personal Life section. Melissa Abernathy, Baltimore 16:22, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

R.I.P George Carlin -- now performing "Seven dirty words" in heaven
Now that I have your attention, I reverted the phrase stating he was a "Disciple of Lenny Bruce". I agree he's a definete successor, however, the reference given didn't even mention that, therefore it can't be here.
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_Clown In the liner notes, Carlin dedicates the album to Lenny Bruce, "for taking all the risks." Also in many interviews etc. Carlin has stated that he was changed after seeing Bruce perform, i.e. he no longer wanted to do the boring conservative stuff. Is that not a "disciple" of a "master"? :) 199.214.27.32 (talk) 21:33, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

See ya on the flip side! Just say "NO" to WP:FUR 16:50, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It was the second line of the reference. "A disciple of Lenny Bruce, Carlin was arrested for violating..." --Onorem♠Dil 16:51, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I stand corrected! Thank you Onorem!

Just say "NO" to WP:FUR 17:26, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Don't talk about him like that. In "Heaven"? He hated the idea of heaven. Bomblol (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 01:48, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * He didn't hate it. He just saw as the nonsense it is.--Svetovid (talk) 09:50, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * No, he hated it. It was hate.168.98.67.11 (talk) 22:19, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Template?
A template with his more notable works would help people find other relevant articles about him. 71.139.24.125 (talk) 21:12, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

SevenDirtyWords
 * We do have a Seven Dirty Words template. Behun (talk) 22:02, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The 7DW template is ok, but I agree that the article should have a template with his albums, HBO Specials, writings, and other notable appearances. Will a skilled Wikipedian get on this post-haste? 98.221.133.96 (talk) 16:03, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I screwed around a bit at User:Onorem/Carlin. Just copying from the 'collection of works' section led to some redundant links (discography/HBO specials). Didn't get around to TV or AudioBooks (which looks like it'd be more redundant links) --Onorem♠Dil 19:17, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't see the purpose to having a 'seven dirty words' template at all. What value does this contribute to the article? Little, if any at all; other than giving some foul-mouthed teenager something to do for an hour,... Dr. Cash (talk) 21:03, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Family
Carlin's first wife, Brenda, died in 1997. He is survived by wife Sally Wade; daughter Kelly Carlin McCall; son-in-law Bob McCall; brother Patrick Carlin; and sister-in-law Marlene Carlin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kerry52 (talk • contribs) 21:32, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I put this comment in a new section. Behun (talk) 22:02, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Article improvement
This maybe quite morbid but there is likely to be a wealth of sources about Carlin following his death. This is a good opportunity to improve the article and it would be a credit to the man and his work to have a quality article. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 04:03, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I strongly agree - this is the worst time to have the article locked. -MBlume (talk) 07:29, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

GC's last words?
Does anyone know GC's last words? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.69.135.171 (talk) 01:20, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm sure before he died he had time for a Quick Hail Mary. 12.207.21.35 (talk) 10:20, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Merge discography and filmography
It might be worthwhile to merge the HBO specials and the records, since many of them are the same material... Any thoughts? Luminifer (talk) 19:42, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Please add to the article
Jerry Seinfeld says nice things about Carlin. –TS, whose username was considered too profane for Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.77.254.184 (talk) 20:39, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Say what? Was that a joke or did someone actually ban you from using a particular user name on Wikipedia?--Threedots dead (talk) 23:33, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems to me that the username policy is rather strict, and so the name I use in the Finnish Wikipedia is not suitable for the English edition. (I chose to call myself, in politically incorrect terms, an illegitimate child, a spiteful person or a mongrel.) –TS
 * Wow... I wasn´t even aware that there was a Username-policy... I mean, why would there be? Who cares?--Threedots dead (talk) 15:41, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

George was also in a MadTV episode (from the "Touched by an Angel" page): MADtv aired a sketch titled "Touched by an Atheist" (featuring well-known atheist George Carlin) that showed the angels and Carlin disputing the existence of God at a dying man's bedside. The sketch also poked fun at the well-publicized salary discrepancy between Reese and Downey.Dale (talk) 19:42, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * That was episode 518 during season 5 see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MADtv_(season_5) ::Dale (talk) 19:52, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this request, but I'm wondering what folks would think about adding a reference in the George Carlin article that there is a song that was recorded and released in 2009 that is a tribute to, and about, him. "Song for George Carlin". I'm the songwriter, just to be up front about it. I do think, however, that there haven't been many other songs written and officially released about him (are there any?) and maybe folks would be interested.. and/ or it would illustrate the impact of his death out there. The link by the way is

Mike1nyc (talk) 20:22, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Georges "First" Book
I've noticed for a while that George's first book is listed as "Sometimes a Little Brain Damage Can Help." Can someone verify this? Even on George's official page, this book is not listed; therfore, i doubt its existence. MaJic (talk) 23:29, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Googling the title seems to suggest it was his first book but had limited release. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 23:31, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It exists. faithless   (speak)  23:36, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for this. Now, if no one else will take up the task, I shall now try my best to create an article. MaJic (talk) 15:39, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Grammy Awards
Are Grammy Awards really such an important authority on comedy that they should be mentioned in the first line? --76.122.4.41 (talk) 08:47, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Probably not, but doesn't winning such a prize suggest the persons achievements? After all, rising so high that not only those in the specific genre (American Comedy Awards) but also the general public aknowledges you is a big deal.
 * Not to mention that it helps to fill Wikipedia's "notability" requirement  ;)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.119.186.4 (talk) 01:42, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Death section quote
The above should not be reinserted into the section.

I'm sure there are many devoted GC fans who would like to spew copies of pieces of his wisdom wherever they think they can get away with it. Unfortunately this quote is unrelated to his own death, and even though the same subject matter is being discussed, it is improper to begin the section with a quote, as we are not making a "George Carlin: We Remember" chapter book with personal view quotations at the top of each chapter, but rather this is still an encyclopedia.

Kst447 (talk) 22:15, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: general deletion of quotes
I have deleted all except for one (7 dirty words) quote on the page.

I have done this because up until this point, the page read much like an an attempt at documenting GC's life in the context of his own words, using individual quotes to try and summarize his motivations in some quasi-artistic way.

This is inappropriate.

Encyclopedia sections should not open with famous or interesting quotations from the person they are about. Allowing this inherently allows preference as to what words, statements, or views from a given time period or whatever will be perceived as most significant; because it is impossible to come to any sort of academic consensus on which quotes are most significant, we are merely left with the opinions of one or a few editors as to what verbatim nuggets encompasses the philosophy of this man.

This is all with the exception of the 7 dirty words as an important supreme court case resulted from an airing of a performance of this piece.

This is not to say that quotes themselves should be nearly disallowed, but having one at the beginning of many sections is excessive and has the tendency to breed an oblique, unbalanced expression of POV.

Kst447 (talk) 22:27, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Goshen?
I read in my local newspaper when he died, The Times Herald Record that when he was in his early teens he spent some time at the Salesian School in Goshen, NY. Just thought it should be added to the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MegaZega93 (talk • contribs) 02:03, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Copy Editing
Which of "grammar, style, cohesion, tone or spelling" was this tag applied over? I'm willing to copy edit it, just want a little direction. Beam 21:58, 27 July 2008

Apparent vandalism ("Suck one")
Just after the end of the introductory paragraphs but before the "Contents" box, the words "suck one" appear. This just isn't in keeping with WP standard but I'm having trouble locating it in the wiki code of the edit page.

If someone can figure out how to fix this, it really ought to be excised.

136.242.148.68 (talk) 15:02, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Is he an atheist
I see some of his bit. But He criticizes god at some times and im wondering if its his disbelief in god or just that he doesnt believe what he's mentioning. Like the bit on rights. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.253.249.55 (talk) 02:40, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes George Carlin was an Atheist to say he wasn't is absurd. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nothingbutgrains (talk • contribs) 18:42, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Attitude and Material Change After First Wife's Death
The obvious explanation is that he never wrote it! Works for me, but hell, what would I know. I mean, its not as if anyone else, can figure this out, is it? Where are you then? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.77.101 (talk) 16:05, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

This is referring back to the discussion in the archive for this article titled [The Best Acceptance Speech]. I recently started reading his book Brain Droppings published in 1997 and found his thoughts on his general outlook on life in the Preface.

"If you read something in this book that sounds like advocacy of a particular political point of view, please reject the notion. My interest in 'issues' is merely to point out how badly we're doing, not to suggest a way we might do better.  Don't confuse me with those who cling to hope.  I enjoy describing how things are, I have no interest in how they "ought to be."  And I certainly have no interest in fixing them.  I sincerely believe that if you think there's a solution, you're part of the problem.  My motto: Fuck Hope!  P.S. Lest you wonder, personally I am a joyful individual with a long, happy marriage and a close and loving family.  My career has turned out better than I ever dreamed, and it continues to expand.  I am a personal optimist but a skeptic about all else.  What may sound to some like anger is really nothing more than a sympathetic contempt.  I view my species with a combination of wonder and pity, and I root for it's destruction. And please don't confuse my point of view with cynicism; the real cynics are the ones who tell you everything's gonna be all right."

In The Best Acceptance Speech the main dispute was concerning his change in attitude and/or nature of material after the death of his 1st wife. In my opinion the nature of his material did not change because while reading Brain Droppings much of the material in the book is consistent with his later years on stage after the death of his wife. However I believe the change in his attitude could either be from the death of his wife or his bitterness from getting old or a combination of the two. Brainface (talk) 06:34, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Frisbeetarianism
Frisbeetarianism redirects here, but there's no mention of it in the article. AnonMoos (talk) 21:46, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Not used to editing on Wikipedia, but some of these supposed great moderators here need to look at this article. It contrdicts itself with the dates of his last HBO show. At one point- it was recorde djust 4 hours before Carlin died on July 22..... another spot mentions teh show aired on HBO in MArch of 2008- apparently before it was recorded...... didn't Carlin have something about recording after it was done is impossible.....? hmm.... maybe not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.161.153.194 (talk) 04:21, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Oscar Snub removed?
As someone whom had their life changed by Carlin's work, I had no problem noticing that the Oscar's chose not to air his likeness on their list of those associated with the film industry that had died in the previous year, a long standing Oscar tradition. So why, may I ask, when I listed this fact under the death and tribute section, was it removed?
 * I removed it, as it was mostly opinion ("Sadly, and disgustingly, the 2009 Academy Awards chose not to place him on their annual tribute reel to persons envolved in the film industry that had died in the previous year.") and also without reliable sources to back it up. It's upsetting, but just a trivial incident in his life unless you can show what makes it notable enough for inclusion. Dayewalker (talk) 07:13, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

First of all, only 2 words were used that stated any opinion. Secondly, I've seen plenty of bits on Wiki that still needed refrencing, but how about we just use the broadcast of the 2009 Academy Awards. Finally, if the Grammy's are considered to be a "notable" enough of an event that it has been placed at the top of his accomplishments, how is this not relevant. Mr Carlin, as seen in the filmography, has been in plenty of films, and while his stand up comedy may be what he's best known for, the same could have been said for Bernie Mac, who lead off that very same reel in this years awards. So let me ask you this, Mr Celtic fan: had this been Dennis Leary rather than a New Yorker, would you make the same move, wait for a refrence to be cited, or simply clean up the 2 words that made this statement an opinion?

His fascinating life
if you watch on youtube the interviews he did over an hour, his childhood was absolutely amazing. you barely scratched the surface. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.242.156.225 (talk) 00:19, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Disputed text on faith & comedy
There seems to be a dispute over the inclusion of the following text on the Carlin article.

Carlin was of Irish descent and was raised in the Roman Catholic faith, subsequently using this faith as material for his future comedic career.

I've brought it here in hopes of chilling the edit war, and getting a good discussion going about it. Any thoughts? Dayewalker (talk) 17:31, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Dayewalker. My contention is that the line is redundant and unnecessary at best, misleading at worst. It implies that Carlin was of the Roman Catholic faith, which is demonstrably untrue. It is stated elsewhere in the article that religion was a frequent subject in Carlin's comedy, making the line redundant. Best, faithless   (speak)  21:34, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Memorable quotes that should be included but are not
When I think of Carlin and especially his Supreme Court ruling on his "7 words that can never be said on television" there was a quote from Carlin that went (something very similar to): "I think it is every comedian's job to find the line and intentionally cross it." (what I think *may be* missing is adjectives before 'line,' I'm not sure how he described 'the line'. Or maybe he didn't and describe it at all and left it ambiguous and the quote I just made is correct. I think this quote came from an interview but I am unsure.)

I've done a preliminary google search for it but have not found it.

I have an audio CD of his, unfortunately without it's case, but printed on the top of the CD is is basically a 'no farting' sign, similar to something you'd see from a street sign, 2 color silhouette of a 'stick' figure (with some thickness so it's not sticks) a circle around and a line crossing over it, the universal 'NO ____' sign. Unfortunately I am hard of hearing since I was overdosed with ototoxic drugs while hospitalized in 2002 so I can't say for certain that I could listen to the album to get the exact quote, or if it's even on that particular album.

Also I think in the paragraph concerning the SCOTUS ruling it should be documented that he was found 'not guilty' and any fees/fines (or whatever the proper legal term) were dropped. This (SCOTUS ruling) was before I was born so I can't speak of it firsthand.

He also claimed that during his week of acting with the premiere SNL cast that he was 'high on coke the whole week.'

(SCOTUS = Supreme Court of the US) Dave/Sly/Slydawg (talk) 04:51, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

links section thomas the tank engine
Unless it's an obscure joke I'm not getting I have removed the { { thomas } } from the associated topics section —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.87.93.229 (talk) 03:37, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Material
Who did George Carlin buy his material from? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.77.101 (talk • contribs)
 * He wrote it himself, unless you've got some sources that say otherwise. Dayewalker (talk) 17:38, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm interested to find out, who he paid for the material that he used, from about 1995 onwards. Or maybe he was a hacker. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.197.207.87 (talk) 14:00, 28 December 2009 (UTC)