Talk:Gerald Finzi

Opus list
I added the complete opus list, but owing to a few peculiarities (like op.3 being comprised of two parts, and other things), its not as clear as it might be - could someone make it so that there is only one bullet per opus and the seperate compositions within each opus are indented?
 * fixed!

Is Aldbourne in Berkshire?
Under "1933-1939: Musical development", the article says that Finzi settled with his wife in Aldbourne, Berkshire, but I can't find an Aldbourne in Berkshire. My road atlas and Multimap only list an Aldbourne in Wiltshire (a little over 20 miles from Ashmansworth). Did the county boundary change in 1972 (see Local Government Act 1972) "move" Aldbourne to Wiltshire or is there some other problem?

Brother Francis 20:42, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Composers project review
I've reviewed this article as part of the Composers project review of its B-class articles. I find that this article is Start-class; it has notable holes in the biographic section. The details are in my review on the comments page; questions and comments should be left here or on my talk page.  Magic ♪piano 17:33, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Cleanup - June 2009
I've identified the following things to do in this article: --Lendorien (talk) 18:54, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Tonal issues - Article has an essay tone that needs to be corrected.
 * Possible Original Research
 * Sourcing - This article has almost zero sourcing. It makes unverified claims as to the subject's popularity.

Cause of death
I am a doctor (and occasional contributor to Wikipedia, but a regular contributor to ganfyd medical wiki), and am also in a choir, currently rehearsing a Finzi piece.

I was intrigued by the statements about his death. It would have been very unusual in the first half of the twentieth century to survive until middle age without having had chickenpox. Hodgkins disease, however, causes immune suppression, and can be associated with disseminated shingles (caused by reactivation of the virus that causes chickenpox - although at the time of his death this was not known - see the Hope-Simpson references at the ganfyd shingles page). This sounds like a more likely cause of death than primary chickenpox. I would be interested in knowing the source of the statement on this page about Finzi's death. --peter_english (talk) 09:28, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The ?official Finzi web site confirms that he had Hodgkin's lymphoma, but makes no mention of chickenpox or shingles ("Finzi finally lost the fight against his illness and he died on September 27, 1956"). [http://www.biographybase.com/biography/Finzi_Gerald.html Biography Base mentions the chickenpox story ("In 1951, Finzi learned that he was suffering from the incurable Hodgkin's disease and had at most ten years to live... In 1956, on an excursion near Gloucester with Vaughan Williams, Finzi contracted chickenpox which was too much for his weakened state, causing severe brain inflammation").


 * In Gerald Finzi: his life and music By Diana M. McVeagh (p250_ my suspicions are supported: in September 1956 he had shingles, and "Then shingles, a virus-related disease, developed", followed by of "encephalitis" and death. This is far more consistent with what I would expect. --peter_english (talk) 09:42, 4 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Interestingly, the McVeagh book mentions that, prior to his illness, Finzi had gone with "Uncle Ralph" (?Vaughan Williams - unfortunately the previous page is not available to internet browsers, and I do not have the actual book) into "the sexton's cottage", where "It didn't seem important that one of the sexton's children had chickenpox". There is a widespread suspicion that exposure to chickenpox can induce shingles. In contrast, the Hope-Simpson hypothesis suggests that exposure to chickenpox "boosts" immunity, delaying or preventing the onset of shingles... These two hypotheses are not altogether incompatible; but, while many doctors still believe that chickenpox can induce shingles in a susceptible individual, this is not supported by objective evidence, but rather by anecdote; and as chickenpox is very common (most people get it in childhood), many shingles patients will, by coincidence, have been recently exposed to chickenpox. --peter_english (talk) 10:00, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I have edited the page. I'm confident of what I've written. I've also edited the Disseminated herpes zoster page. I'm looking out some references, which I'll add later. --peter_english (talk) 10:39, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

COI declaration
I just corrected an external web address for Finzi's Friends that was already present, but declare that the organisation is a client of mine (I host their website). --Iantresman (talk) 15:33, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Why I edited the first paragraph of Finzi's biography as I did
After pointing out he was born in London, of parents of Jewish background, it was stated that he 'nevertheless' became a very "English" composer of his generation. He was English; being Jewish doesn't change this, and it was insensitive to imply this. If he were Christian, would one have said 'nevertheless'? Note that, on the other hand, the 'despite' which follows, in "[d]espite being an agnostic, he wrote some inspired and imposing Christian choral music," is reasonable since he was an agnostic (not to mention of Jewish background). Judaism is a religion, not an ethnicity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hanamizu (talk • contribs) 07:37, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: Judaism is a religion, not an ethnicity. Wrong. It is both. To emphasise this point, even the lede at Jews describes them as "an ethnoreligious group"--a distinct and discrete ethnic group. While it's borderline controversial because of the overtones of historical racism and alientation, an example is that of European jews...they never were accepted as a homogenous component of any ethnic group associated with a nation-state--there was always a separateness, a division based on ethnic lines. For example: German Jews and Germans are not the same ethnicity just because they share a common language and location, in fact they are two vastly different cultures--one of the requirements for being different ethnically. By comparison, a Somali-American who came as a refugee in the 1990s to Maine in the US (essentially still "Somali" in culture) is not considered "as American" as a WASPy Boston Brahmin descended from the Mayflower passengers. --ColonelHenry (talk) 15:44, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 16:06, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

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Oboe work with strings
Would be useful to add the Interlude for oboe and string quartet. Beautiful work. 2600:6C40:5900:6514:4C89:FFBE:28E5:7ED6 (talk) 16:08, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Dies Natalis vs Intimations at 3 choirs
The article says that it was Dies natalis which was delayed by the Outbreak of World War 2 and would have been performed at three Choirs festival - but this does not seem likely since it would not easily lie within the remit of three Choirs. it seems more likely that the work referred to is the intimations of Immortality. can anyone shed any further light on this? Lawrence18uk (talk) 09:28, 20 July 2024 (UTC)