Talk:German Americans in the American Civil War

WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008
Article reassessed and graded as start class. --dashiellx (talk) 18:51, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Title needs fixing. Which civil war? I ended up here from google looking for details of civil war in Germany. There's no "The civil war". be specific.

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Discussion note by James F. McManus Jr., CPA, CDP: I am very familiar with the Sanitary Commission report on origins of the volunteers. The claims regarding the German contingent here are dubious. The Saniatary Commmission report was just a guess on the volunteers and didn't even address the regular army, the navy and the militia. The largest ethnic contingent was British in origin followed by the Irish. The Medal of Honor data, which is highly correlated with enlistments and combat mortalities, support this. By far the largest foreign-born group among the Civil War Medal of Honor recipients are the Irish. To say that this wasn't representative of the Union army and navy as a whole would be to argue that the Irish who served were braver than the Germans, an argument that really doesn't hold water. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slante9 (talk • contribs) 06:18, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Material removed
Three paragraphs were added by an IP, as a copy paste. The IP has only one other edit, so I have not contacted the IP to suggest a rewrite. The subject matter was solders with Germanic surnames, copied from this site. It was removed as a copyright concern. If someone thinks the subject matter deserves treatment in the article, feel free to add it, but in your own words. Caution, the source does not appear to be a reliable source, so use other sources if the subject matter is desired.-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  15:25, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Moved
This was moved to German Americans in the American Civil War. Editor abcdef (talk) 04:25, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Bad ISBN
Because it is causing a Checkwiki error #70: "ISBN with wrong length", I removed the ISBN from the entry:

Richter, Rüdiger B. & Balder Hans-Georg, Korporierte im amerikanischen Bürgerkrieg. WJK Verlag Hilden, 2. erweiterte Auflage 2013. ISBN 3-9344052-21-2

I have tried unsuccessfully to locate the correct ISBN on the Internet. Interestingly, articles in the German Wiki that cite this source either do not include an ISBN or specify the invalid ISBN. Google Books and the German Amazon only include the first edition of this book. Knife-in-the-drawer (talk) 16:43, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

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Confederate Army
According to https://www.facebook.com/8thAlabamaInfantry/ the company nicknamed "German Fusiliers" was Company H, not G.   The Facebook page only mentions the CO, Emrich, who was a German immigrant, no mention of how many of the soldiers were German immigrants or of German descent. As for "famous" - they may have been confused with the "German artillery unit" mentioned in the preceding sentence. Members of the "Charleston German Fusiliers" members served in several units during the Civil War, according to this source. I don’t have access to the given source; the info in the source I found online, would seem to suggest otherwise. Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 14:00, 13 August 2017 (UTC) Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 14:04, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Native-born and/or German-American
The article doesn't seem to have made up its mind about whether it is about immigrants or also about German-Americans born in the U.S. All of the officers mentioned are German-born, with the exception of Custer who is third or fourth-generation American-born. The Union soldiers (i.e., enlisted) are mentioned as immigrants while Confederate soldiers are referred to as descendents of Pennsylvania Germans or immigrants who had settled in the South by 1800 - they would have been dead or way too old to fight in the Civil War. Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 15:09, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Heros von Borck
GELongstreet: Ah, I get it, he used his fourth first name instead of Johann, August, or Heinrich, like Dad use Theodor instead of Otto or Heros. Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 16:21, 13 August 2017 (UTC) Just checked my Civil War "bible" (Shelby Foote). Von Borck isn't mentioned in the index. Now I don't feel so bad about never having heard of him. Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 16:35, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Like many of his American collegues the very idea of having several first names is to be able to choose just one (like Phil Sheridan) or several and/or a mix of initials (like Robert E. Lee and W. Dorsey Pender). Or using whatever the parents called them. Of course there are cases where the choice is influenced by facts like quickly being able to differ people in speech and writing (like A.P. Hill and D.H. Hill). And just for the records, it's Borcke, not Borck. The question with those names in indexes is always if they´re listed under V for the "von" or not. And I think there´s no need to feel bad; staff officer are a niche interest within the niche insterest that is the civil war - within the niche interest that is military history. ...GELongstreet (talk)

Kashubians
Germans from the partitioned area of Poland are not and we’re not German! Though through Kulturkampf, many spoke German and claimed German out of fear. Many of the officers were “German” sure, but Kashubians Masurians Silesians Galicians all immigrated to the US as early as 1810 and fought in the War of 1812 and the US Civil War. 2601:281:D580:A0D0:B8CA:B00D:E8C7:C09A (talk) 05:04, 27 September 2022 (UTC)