Talk:Gog Magog Hills

Heights
Are you sure you have the heights right here? The OS maps are in metres not feet. I am preparing a new article on West Wratting which is 120 on t he contour map, and there is constant discussion which is the highest point in Cambridgeshire, West Wratting or the Gogs (it is a close run thing). I think these heights need to be revised; perhaps they are right but they seem a bit suspicious.

Best wishes SimonTrew (talk) 17:26, 20 July 2009 (UTC)


 * The heights look correct to me; the OS map shows Wandlebury Ring at 74m as stated, and a point without a spot height but within the 75m contour just to the north. See |16|4&dp=os&bd=useful_information&loc=GB:52.1568:0.18694:14|TL497532|TL497532 here. Most of the Essex border area (including West Wratting) is quite a bit higher; I can only assume that the Gogs get so much attention because they tower (sort of) over Cambridge itself. The highest point in Cambridgeshire is actually just outside Great Chishill at |15|4&dp=os&bd=useful_information&loc=GB:52.02198:0.08416:14|TL431380|TL431380 146m, though as it's practically in Hertfordshire some would say it's a bit of a cheat. ;-) Iain99Balderdash and piffle 21:39, 20 July 2009 (UTC)


 * OK thanks. Yeah I think I have seen Gt Chishill listed, but also a I think the Gogs in some atlas or other, never (ex) RAF Wratting Common which is prob. the highest point around West Wratting - and with luck has a height stone somewehere (what are they called I forget). I don't know whether a good GPS system could accurately measure the height? I imagine an altimeter would probably not be particularly accurate at these small intervals.


 * Best wishes SimonTrew (talk) 10:26, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Troy
In favour of this bit I added:
 * The book Where Troy Once Stood argues that the ancient city of Troy was in fact located in the Gog Magog Downs; however, this is not taken seriously by scholars.

Yes it's a somewhat silly fact, and might in a more important article (about say the UK) seem too trivial to include, but there's not that much to say about the Gog Magogs and curiosities such as this are interesting to some. (Cf the items on local TV news are more trivial than those on national news.) Also, it's not too trivial to have been included in the Troy article, so why not here? Ben Finn (talk) 13:47, 14 September 2016 (UTC)


 * I should have explained here I guess. Our guideline on fringe in other articles is at WP:ONEWAY: "Fringe views, products, or the organizations who promote them, may be mentioned in the text of other articles only if independent reliable sources connect the topics in a serious and prominent way. However, meeting this standard indicates only that the idea may be discussed in other articles, not that it must be discussed in a specific article. If mentioning a fringe theory in another article gives undue weight to the fringe theory, discussion of the fringe theory may be limited, or even omitted altogether. If no independent reliable sources connect a particular fringe theory to a mainstream subject, there should not even be a link through a see also section, lest the article serve as a coatrack." I don't think that independent reliable sources connect the topics in a serious and prominent way. Adding it here promotes it. Doug Weller  talk 14:03, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

OK. Ben Finn (talk) 11:26, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Magog Down versus "Gog Magog Downs"
This page as it stands conflates discussion of the whole range of hills with some aspects that are specific to the site called Magog Down. Note that the two photos are of/from Magog Down; Little Trees Hill is on Magog Down, but all the rest of the listed hills are well outside of Magog Down.

I suggest that this article with most of its content should be re-named as [or moved to?] "Gog Magog Hills",
 * well in the absence of any objections, and having read ow to do it, I have now done this.Mirandafyfe (talk) 22:19, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

and I would like to create a separate article entitled "Magog Down", specific to that.
 * maybe another time...Mirandafyfe (talk) 22:19, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
 * well, I have drafted an article for "Magog Down" but it's been rejected due to lack of sufficient independent sources; so instead I've re-named the section of this article "Magog Down" since that's the main focus of that particular section. Mirandafyfe (talk) 18:02, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

I think the local term "the Gogs" is usually used to refer to Magog Down, by those who frequent it for walking and so on, or sometimes to the nearby Gog Magog Hills Farm Shop cafe (recently re-branded to "The Gog"), but they are certainly not talking about the whole range of hills as described in this article. "Gog Magog Downs" could become a disambiguation entry; note that in the auto-generated Facebook page called "Gog Magog Downs", those tagging themselves as there are usually walking on Magog Down, though sometime it looks like people also use that Location tag when they are in the Gog cafe.
 * well some of this I have incorporated into my various edits now.Mirandafyfe (talk) 22:19, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
 * As a Cambridge resident of ~40 years, I've never heard anybody refer to any part of the area as "the Gogs".81.106.31.237 (talk) 00:00, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Being a newbie at this, all help and advice very welcome. Thank you.Mirandafyfe (talk) 23:00, 8 August 2017 (UTC) Mirandafyfe (talk) 22:51, 6 August 2017 (UTC)Mirandafyfe (talk) 21:08, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

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